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What is the chance??
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What is the chance??
What is the chance we get to the end of the season and Hartwell plays the injury card and Timmy D gets one more year? Serious question. For the record I hope they send Tim down the road at seasons end. I'm 50/50 right now renewing my tickets if Tim stays but many in my section swear they won't if Timmy is coaching here past seasons end.
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Re: What is the chance??
It's not working and he needs to go pronto, so that we can quickly move into rebuild mode with our new guy. My only worry might be if Wilson goes does Koby go?GordoAggie wrote: ↑January 24th, 2018, 4:49 pmWhat is the chance we get to the end of the season and Hartwell plays the injury card and Timmy D gets one more year? Serious question. For the record I hope they send Tim down the road at seasons end. I'm 50/50 right now renewing my tickets if Tim stays but many in my section swear they won't if Timmy is coaching here past seasons end.
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At this point it’s worth the risk to let Duryea go.aggies22 wrote: ↑January 24th, 2018, 5:20 pmIt's not working and he needs to go pronto, so that we can quickly move into rebuild mode with our new guy. My only worry might be if Wilson goes does Koby go?GordoAggie wrote: ↑January 24th, 2018, 4:49 pmWhat is the chance we get to the end of the season and Hartwell plays the injury card and Timmy D gets one more year? Serious question. For the record I hope they send Tim down the road at seasons end. I'm 50/50 right now renewing my tickets if Tim stays but many in my section swear they won't if Timmy is coaching here past seasons end.
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I don’t disagree. However, to the original point I think it’s very reasonable to believe that but for the injuries, this teams would have 3-4 more wins at least and this saving Duryea’s job. Imagine having Pearre and Miller taking most of Brito’s minutes along with a stable of bigs that can rotate in. So, I’m not advocating for Duryea but I think you have to admit that the injuries have proven to be nearly fatal to the season. This is probably a team that finishes 4-5 in the MW if healthy.TheConspirator wrote:At this point it’s worth the risk to let Duryea go.aggies22 wrote: ↑January 24th, 2018, 5:20 pmIt's not working and he needs to go pronto, so that we can quickly move into rebuild mode with our new guy. My only worry might be if Wilson goes does Koby go?GordoAggie wrote: ↑January 24th, 2018, 4:49 pmWhat is the chance we get to the end of the season and Hartwell plays the injury card and Timmy D gets one more year? Serious question. For the record I hope they send Tim down the road at seasons end. I'm 50/50 right now renewing my tickets if Tim stays but many in my section swear they won't if Timmy is coaching here past seasons end.
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If this was TD first or even second year, the injury card would obviously be a no brainer. However, we are three years into the TD era so I don't think playing the injury card is going to work with the fan base.
However, I would not be surprised if TD is retained for financial reasons (not wanting to pay buyout) and the injury card is stated as the reason for keeping him around.
However, I would not be surprised if TD is retained for financial reasons (not wanting to pay buyout) and the injury card is stated as the reason for keeping him around.
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Good thread.
I completely agree this just isn’t working and is unlikely to work and it’s best to move on after the season.
But, if there is a contingent in the Athletic Department or among prominent and vocal boosters that are ambivalent about firing him then I can certainly see injuries being the company line on why he’s returning.
From what I have observed, I don’t think there will be much ambivalence about moving on if it’s feasible to do so. I can’t imagine his buyout is unreasonable and Wells having secured his job for at least one more year means there won’t be a budget busting buyout of his contract which makes it more likely buying out Duryea is feasible.
I completely agree this just isn’t working and is unlikely to work and it’s best to move on after the season.
But, if there is a contingent in the Athletic Department or among prominent and vocal boosters that are ambivalent about firing him then I can certainly see injuries being the company line on why he’s returning.
From what I have observed, I don’t think there will be much ambivalence about moving on if it’s feasible to do so. I can’t imagine his buyout is unreasonable and Wells having secured his job for at least one more year means there won’t be a budget busting buyout of his contract which makes it more likely buying out Duryea is feasible.
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Injuries are a smoke screen. Kinda like Stew's last couple seasons, even though he had some injuries, it was obvious he had mailed things in and had kinda stopped recruiting. Stew had lost his fire. Some posters took offense to that, but it was the truth.
Same with Duryea, even though he's had some injuries, its obvious that what he's doing isn't working. Duryea's system/recruiting won't be successful, even if there wasn't any injuries.
Same with Duryea, even though he's had some injuries, its obvious that what he's doing isn't working. Duryea's system/recruiting won't be successful, even if there wasn't any injuries.
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Re: What is the chance??
The only thing that would allow me to except Tim as coach is if he brings in a home run big man ASAP. I hope it happens but doubt it is going to happen.
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I imagine Coach Duryea will be back. As I've talked with a few people in the athletic department, most attribute the first couple bad years to Colette's departure, and this year to injuries. I don't know if that's what they really believe but it appears to be the company line if nothing else.
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The Company better start looking at the lack of attendance and the apathy amongst its customers.BigVBAg wrote: ↑January 25th, 2018, 12:07 pmI imagine Coach Duryea will be back. As I've talked with a few people in the athletic department, most attribute the first couple bad years to Colette's departure, and this year to injuries. I don't know if that's what they really believe but it appears to be the company line if nothing else.
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Then those people are idiots. Are Collette and the injuries to blame for our lack of recruiting prospects going into next year? For our lack of quality depth? For ever having recruited half of these players that are in over their head?BigVBAg wrote: ↑January 25th, 2018, 12:07 pmI imagine Coach Duryea will be back. As I've talked with a few people in the athletic department, most attribute the first couple bad years to Colette's departure, and this year to injuries. I don't know if that's what they really believe but it appears to be the company line if nothing else.
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I’m hearing there’s some interesting possibilities with some graduate transfers. There are 3-4 bigs out there that are graduating from small mid majors who could excel at Utah State! 1-2 years eligibility left. Wouldn’t have to sit out a year. I bet you Larry will reach out to find his next big!
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Barring a complete collapse the rest of this season, I will guarantee Tim will be back next year, as he should be.
You can’t fire a coach for going .500 when you don’t have enough money as is to pay the bills.
Unless one of you guys has $700,000 to offer to buy him out, Coach Duryea stays.
You can’t fire a coach for going .500 when you don’t have enough money as is to pay the bills.
Unless one of you guys has $700,000 to offer to buy him out, Coach Duryea stays.
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Re: What is the chance??
It's a sad and pathetic reflection on the state of the athletic department that we even have to consider the possibility of TD returning. If the last three year's performance (or 3 years before that when he was a key staff member) is the accepted standard, then we need to reevaluate our standards and those who make them.
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Saying Tim “should be” back and not having the money are two different things.rAggie wrote:Barring a complete collapse the rest of this season, I will guarantee Tim will be back next year, as he should be.
You can’t fire a coach for going .500 when you don’t have enough money as is to pay the bills.
Unless one of you guys has $700,000 to offer to buy him out, Coach Duryea stays.
Tim SHOULD NOT be back, but I don’t know if we have the money or not to buy him out.
USU won’t get one cent of my money next year if he is back. I’m a nobody so I won’t be missed but I refuse to drive 2 hours and waste my money on Tim Duryea basketball.
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The “Does it cost more to keep him than to fire him” debate is hot.
Here’s the math though. At $700k to buy out, if you want to look at ticket sales, let’s call it $25/ticket, over course of a 15 home game schedule, you’d need to sell 1800 more tickets a game to just break even. Given 4,000 seats are already considered sold to students, you have 6,000 capacity from seat payers, and I’m just not sure the numbers make sense.
Another thing to take into account, there’s a lot of uncertainty with how the new tax law is going to impact donations anyway, so revenue uncertainty is high right now.
As mentioned before, USU has an athletic program, thanks to the maxing of credit cards of Sherman Scott Barnes, that can barely pay its bills as is. We simply do not have the luxury to be changing coaches because we aren’t satisfied with .500 records. And frankly, if someone stepped up tomorrow with $700k to buy Tim out, I’m not so certain that Hartwell wouldn’t ask them if they’d consider donating that to the general fund instead.
Here’s the math though. At $700k to buy out, if you want to look at ticket sales, let’s call it $25/ticket, over course of a 15 home game schedule, you’d need to sell 1800 more tickets a game to just break even. Given 4,000 seats are already considered sold to students, you have 6,000 capacity from seat payers, and I’m just not sure the numbers make sense.
Another thing to take into account, there’s a lot of uncertainty with how the new tax law is going to impact donations anyway, so revenue uncertainty is high right now.
As mentioned before, USU has an athletic program, thanks to the maxing of credit cards of Sherman Scott Barnes, that can barely pay its bills as is. We simply do not have the luxury to be changing coaches because we aren’t satisfied with .500 records. And frankly, if someone stepped up tomorrow with $700k to buy Tim out, I’m not so certain that Hartwell wouldn’t ask them if they’d consider donating that to the general fund instead.
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Yup. It's not a coincidence that USU hired a (former) CPA as athletic director when Barnes left.rAggie wrote: ↑January 25th, 2018, 4:30 pmAs mentioned before, USU has an athletic program, thanks to the maxing of credit cards of Sherman Scott Barnes, that can barely pay its bills as is. We simply do not have the luxury to be changing coaches because we aren’t satisfied with .500 records. And frankly, if someone stepped up tomorrow with $700k to buy Tim out, I’m not so certain that Hartwell wouldn’t ask them if they’d consider donating that to the general fund instead.
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I been holding on hope for a transfer.Hoopsnut wrote:I’m hearing there’s some interesting possibilities with some graduate transfers. There are 3-4 bigs out there that are graduating from small mid majors who could excel at Utah State! 1-2 years eligibility left. Wouldn’t have to sit out a year. I bet you Larry will reach out to find his next big!
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So we could afford to pay 1.4 million to buyout Matt Wells, but we don't have the money to buy out Duryea? Not buying it.rAggie wrote: ↑January 25th, 2018, 4:03 pmBarring a complete collapse the rest of this season, I will guarantee Tim will be back next year, as he should be.
You can’t fire a coach for going .500 when you don’t have enough money as is to pay the bills.
Unless one of you guys has $700,000 to offer to buy him out, Coach Duryea stays.
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I assume the $700k buyout is the cost for getting rid of him 2 seasons early (since he is in season 3 of a 5 year contract). That would only be 900ish more tickets each of the next 2 seasons.rAggie wrote: ↑January 25th, 2018, 4:30 pmThe “Does it cost more to keep him than to fire him” debate is hot.
Here’s the math though. At $700k to buy out, if you want to look at ticket sales, let’s call it $25/ticket, over course of a 15 home game schedule, you’d need to sell 1800 more tickets a game to just break even. Given 4,000 seats are already considered sold to students, you have 6,000 capacity from seat payers, and I’m just not sure the numbers make sense.
Another thing to take into account, there’s a lot of uncertainty with how the new tax law is going to impact donations anyway, so revenue uncertainty is high right now.
As mentioned before, USU has an athletic program, thanks to the maxing of credit cards of Sherman Scott Barnes, that can barely pay its bills as is. We simply do not have the luxury to be changing coaches because we aren’t satisfied with .500 records. And frankly, if someone stepped up tomorrow with $700k to buy Tim out, I’m not so certain that Hartwell wouldn’t ask them if they’d consider donating that to the general fund instead.
Of course I’m ignoring the time value of money, inflation, tax changes, and the potential higher cost contract for the next coach, etc.
I’d really like to see a new head coach next season but I won’t be surprised if TD is back due to the buyout cost. I really wish we could’ve went with a 3 year contract since TD had no previous D1 head coaching experience.
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Re: What is the chance??
I'm in your boat. I'll probably be living in Utah next basketball season and if Duryea is the coach it will be a tougher call whether to get season tickets. With a new coach, I'll get them.2004AG wrote: ↑January 25th, 2018, 4:18 pmSaying Tim “should be” back and not having the money are two different things.rAggie wrote:Barring a complete collapse the rest of this season, I will guarantee Tim will be back next year, as he should be.
You can’t fire a coach for going .500 when you don’t have enough money as is to pay the bills.
Unless one of you guys has $700,000 to offer to buy him out, Coach Duryea stays.
Tim SHOULD NOT be back, but I don’t know if we have the money or not to buy him out.
USU won’t get one cent of my money next year if he is back. I’m a nobody so I won’t be missed but I refuse to drive 2 hours and waste my money on Tim Duryea basketball.
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