Alabama, snubbed playoff team

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » January 2nd, 2025, 4:49 pm

And..... it looks like the SECs best team is going to go down to Notre Dame. If it weren't for Texas squeaking by ASU in overtime, the mighty SEC would be shut out of the semi-finals.

NowhereLandAggie · Post by **NowhereLandAggie** » January 2nd, 2025, 5:38 pm

Yossarian wrote: ↑
January 2nd, 2025, 4:49 pm
And..... it looks like the SECs best team is going to go down to Notre Dame. If it weren't for Texas squeaking by ASU in overtime, the mighty SEC would be shut out of the semi-finals.

Well my pick of Georgia to the championship went up in flames.

I think Texas loses to Ohio State, but I thought Georgia would win, so what do I know.

All of the first round bye teams, Boise, ASU, Georgia, and Oregon all lost.

Slim80 · Post by **Slim80** » January 2nd, 2025, 5:44 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑
January 2nd, 2025, 5:38 pm

Yossarian wrote: ↑
January 2nd, 2025, 4:49 pm
And..... it looks like the SECs best team is going to go down to Notre Dame. If it weren't for Texas squeaking by ASU in overtime, the mighty SEC would be shut out of the semi-finals.
Well my pick of Georgia to the championship went up in flames.

I think Texas loses to Ohio State, but I thought Georgia would win, so what do I know.

All of the first round bye teams, Boise, ASU, Georgia, and Oregon all lost.

Rest vs Rust………I’m going with rust.

NowhereLandAggie · Post by **NowhereLandAggie** » January 2nd, 2025, 5:53 pm

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And..... it looks like the SECs best team is going to go down to Notre Dame. If it weren't for Texas squeaking by ASU in overtime, the mighty SEC would be shut out of the semi-finals.
Well my pick of Georgia to the championship went up in flames.

I think Texas loses to Ohio State, but I thought Georgia would win, so what do I know.

All of the first round bye teams, Boise, ASU, Georgia, and Oregon all lost.
Rest vs Rust………I’m going with rust.

I will also say parity. I think Ohio State, the 8th seed, rated #6 in the final poll, is the best team. All except #1 Oregon, had chances in their games. There are several good teams out there, and we {finally} get to watch players decide this rather than polls tersely.

I think Conference Championship games go by the wayside, and this expands in the future. I hope it goes to 32 teams and no byes.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » January 2nd, 2025, 7:12 pm

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I can't remember where the article was posted, but about ten years ago, at the height of the "SEC is the NFL light" hype, some publication had an article investigating all the hype. While it concluded that yes, the SEC was likely the top overall conference, they weren't light years ahead of everyone else the way networks like ESPN portrayed them to be. The SEC overwhelmingly played games on its own turf. They rarely ventured out to play true road games in hostile environments. I think Florida had gone something like 25 years without playing a regular season non-conference game outside of the State of Florida. On the few times SEC schools ventured out of the southeast, they overwhelmingly played neutral site games. Even the vast majority of bowl games are played in SEC territory. So there was very little data on SEC teams playing true road games against other power conferences. But with that data, the SEC showed itself to be surprisingly average overall, with losing overall records against several other power conferences. The SEC's mythology grew out of its ability to overwhelmingly play games at home, or in friendly territory, far more so than any other conference.
Regarding UF, why play additional non-conference road games when you are regularly playing AT Florida State and Miami when they were both perennial top 10 teams?

After his first season coaching at UF, Urban Meyer said he had to change the entire approach of his offense (he was one of the pioneers of the spread offense in college football) because of the talent discrepancy in the SEC. "...I'd never seen DT's run down my tailback before..." This is before Saban went to Alabama.

I do think the talent gap has been closed almost completely as coaches copy what others are doing, not only x's and o's - wise, but in recruiting. Howard Schnellenberger made U of Miami a powerhouse in the 80's (they were a doormat prior to his arrival) by drawing a border around Florida and saying they were going to win the recruiting battles in the state because it's loaded with talent. Within a few years the rest of the nation caught on and began targeting Florida as well.
This was the first time they've played Miami since 2013. They don't even play them very often.
I was referring to the timeline from that article ~10 plus years ago. I haven't followed much over the past decade or so...the point being, if half of the conference schedule is already loaded with ranked teams, it would be asinine to go out of the region to play a game at Oklahoma or Michigan, especially when, at that time, more than one loss knocks them out of title contention.
In the 30 seasons between 1988 and 2017, which covers the entirety of the 25 years mentioned in the article, Florida and Miami played each other a grand total of five times, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2008, and 2013. The 2004 contest was a bowl game, so it was not even a regularly scheduled game. I was living in Gator country during those 2002-2004 games (as well as several years prior), and it was a big deal because of how long it had been since the Gators and Hurricanes had played each other.
Right, that's what I'm referring to as the golden era of the SEC.

I'm just stunned that someone would make the claim that Utah or BYU was on the same level as Alabama and the University of Miami. But, to each their own I guess.
Again, no one claimed that, this was about this year's teams.

Read the posts, starting with this statement posited at the beginning. This has nothing to do with the BCS, covid, or 4 team playoff. You brought that up after saying all of the athletes south of the Mason-Dixon line are so much better than everywhere else.

The question is was a 3 loss Alabama team really deserving of a College Football Playoff bid this year?

Or the second claim, does the SEC really have 4-5 teams that have a perpetual royal birthright of being in the playoff? After Georgia and Texas, there seems to have been a pretty big drop in quality this season. The league isn't as deep as the media has tried to make it out to be.
So Urban Myer was full of shyt when he himself said the talent was better? That he had to change his approach because he wasn't used to seeing 290 lb defensive linemen run down a tailback on a sweep? How many National Championships does he have? Three? Including back-to-back at UF.

You are the one who posted about Utah beating Alabama sixteen years ago and BYU beating UM thirty years ago as proof these teams aren't as good as claimed. Put 2008 Utah in the SEC. They probably make it to a bowl, but not the Sugar Bowl. If we catch the onside kick at Auburn in 2011, would that suddenly put us on their level? No.

Never mind that they (SEC teams) put more players in the NFL, by far.

As for right now, this instant, I agree with the assertion that the SEC is being given special treatment based upon what they had done from the late 90s to COVID. Eventually, that special privilege will go away as it should.
A coach, not just Urban Meyer, is loyal to whoever is giving him his paycheck. When he was at Utah he ripped Trev Alberts apart for saying Utah would have a losing record in a "BCS" conference. He called Michigan "That Team Up North" while he was the Buckeye coach. He never said that when he was the coach of Florida.

Listen, Alabama and Georgia have been very dominant. LSU, Florida, and Auburn have had moments, but no one else really has shown much in the past 30 years.

If you want to get regional, then yes, Clemson, Florida State, and Miami certainly have had good football teams.

On the same note Michigan, Ohio State, USC, Oklahoma, Texas, and Nebraska have all shown they have elite teams some years also. Washington and Colorado also have made some noise, just like Auburn did. The latter schools don't just recruit in Florida, USC mostly goes after Southern California kids.

You are probably right. Urban was just full of shyt and was making excuses for having a bad first year in the SEC. The NFL was duped as well as they kept filling their rosters with SEC talent they could have gotten in the WAC.

You keep bringing up outliers when I've been really clear that I'm talking about a specific point in time, but whatever. You say Florida has "had some moments", well shyt, they won three National Championships in twelve years. How is that just a "moment"?

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » January 2nd, 2025, 7:15 pm

Yossarian wrote: ↑
January 2nd, 2025, 4:49 pm
And..... it looks like the SECs best team is going to go down to Notre Dame. If it weren't for Texas squeaking by ASU in overtime, the mighty SEC would be shut out of the semi-finals.

Texas isn't even a traditional SEC team. They were only recently added. Georgia didn't have a chance playing their back up QB, Notre Dame's defense is too good and Georgia WR's have hands of stone.

Ohio State, I think is the cream of the crop right now.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » January 2nd, 2025, 7:16 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑
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Slim80 wrote: ↑
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NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑
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Yossarian wrote: ↑
January 2nd, 2025, 4:49 pm
And..... it looks like the SECs best team is going to go down to Notre Dame. If it weren't for Texas squeaking by ASU in overtime, the mighty SEC would be shut out of the semi-finals.
Well my pick of Georgia to the championship went up in flames.

I think Texas loses to Ohio State, but I thought Georgia would win, so what do I know.

All of the first round bye teams, Boise, ASU, Georgia, and Oregon all lost.
Rest vs Rust………I’m going with rust.
I will also say parity. I think Ohio State, the 8th seed, rated #6 in the final poll, is the best team. All except #1 Oregon, had chances in their games. There are several good teams out there, and we {finally} get to watch players decide this rather than polls tersely.

I think Conference Championship games go by the wayside, and this expands in the future. I hope it goes to 32 teams and no byes.

OSU is a dominant team right now - they've had a good run actually over the last decade. I'm glad there is some parity now.

Slim80 · Post by **Slim80** » January 2nd, 2025, 7:27 pm

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And..... it looks like the SECs best team is going to go down to Notre Dame. If it weren't for Texas squeaking by ASU in overtime, the mighty SEC would be shut out of the semi-finals.
Well my pick of Georgia to the championship went up in flames.

I think Texas loses to Ohio State, but I thought Georgia would win, so what do I know.

All of the first round bye teams, Boise, ASU, Georgia, and Oregon all lost.
Rest vs Rust………I’m going with rust.
I will also say parity. I think Ohio State, the 8th seed, rated #6 in the final poll, is the best team. All except #1 Oregon, had chances in their games. There are several good teams out there, and we {finally} get to watch players decide this rather than polls tersely.

I think Conference Championship games go by the wayside, and this expands in the future. I hope it goes to 32 teams and no byes.
OSU is a dominant team right now - they've had a good run actually over the last decade. I'm glad there is some parity now.

There isn’t parity, the landscape is just shifting to those with money vs those with less. It’s amazing what you can buy with money. In 5 years we will be seeing the same set of teams consistently at the top of the league.

NowhereLandAggie · Post by **NowhereLandAggie** » January 2nd, 2025, 8:31 pm

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And..... it looks like the SECs best team is going to go down to Notre Dame. If it weren't for Texas squeaking by ASU in overtime, the mighty SEC would be shut out of the semi-finals.
Well my pick of Georgia to the championship went up in flames.

I think Texas loses to Ohio State, but I thought Georgia would win, so what do I know.

All of the first round bye teams, Boise, ASU, Georgia, and Oregon all lost.
Rest vs Rust………I’m going with rust.
I will also say parity. I think Ohio State, the 8th seed, rated #6 in the final poll, is the best team. All except #1 Oregon, had chances in their games. There are several good teams out there, and we {finally} get to watch players decide this rather than polls tersely.

I think Conference Championship games go by the wayside, and this expands in the future. I hope it goes to 32 teams and no byes.
OSU is a dominant team right now - they've had a good run actually over the last decade. I'm glad there is some parity now.
There isn’t parity, the landscape is just shifting to those with money vs those with less. It’s amazing what you can buy with money. In 5 years we will be seeing the same set of teams consistently at the top of the league.

Those same teams have always been at the Top. Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas, and Penn State all have multiple National Championships.

It isn't any different with basketball with Duke, North Carolina, Kentucky, UCONN, and Kansas always having top ranked teams. They have tradition, facilities, and money to win. The difference is in basketball that Gonzaga, Butler, UNLV, SDSU or Memphis can have a moment or even build a program to challenge those teams. College football will see a few teams like this win some, just like Utah, Boise, and TCU did.

GordoAggie · Post by **GordoAggie** » January 3rd, 2025, 10:59 pm

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And..... it looks like the SECs best team is going to go down to Notre Dame. If it weren't for Texas squeaking by ASU in overtime, the mighty SEC would be shut out of the semi-finals.
Well my pick of Georgia to the championship went up in flames.

I think Texas loses to Ohio State, but I thought Georgia would win, so what do I know.

All of the first round bye teams, Boise, ASU, Georgia, and Oregon all lost.
Rest vs Rust………I’m going with rust.
I will also say parity. I think Ohio State, the 8th seed, rated #6 in the final poll, is the best team. All except #1 Oregon, had chances in their games. There are several good teams out there, and we {finally} get to watch players decide this rather than polls tersely.

I think Conference Championship games go by the wayside, and this expands in the future. I hope it goes to 32 teams and no byes.
OSU is a dominant team right now - they've had a good run actually over the last decade. I'm glad there is some parity now.
There isn’t parity, the landscape is just shifting to those with money vs those with less. It’s amazing what you can buy with money. In 5 years we will be seeing the same set of teams consistently at the top of the league.

This.
The SEC has a bunch of teams whose fans and boosters are a bunch of trailer park dudes.
SMU has a bunch of billionaire alumni.
Ohio state currently has the biggest nil budget in the country

NowhereLandAggie · Post by **NowhereLandAggie** » January 10th, 2025, 9:30 pm

Yossarian wrote: ↑
January 2nd, 2025, 4:49 pm
And..... it looks like the SECs best team is going to go down to Notre Dame. If it weren't for Texas squeaking by ASU in overtime, the mighty SEC would be shut out of the semi-finals.

Taken care of tonight.

Two teams from the rust belt in the National Title game, and they beat all 3 SEC teams to arrive there.

Post by **AGinNEIowa** » January 10th, 2025, 9:42 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑
January 10th, 2025, 9:30 pm

Yossarian wrote: ↑
January 2nd, 2025, 4:49 pm
And..... it looks like the SECs best team is going to go down to Notre Dame. If it weren't for Texas squeaking by ASU in overtime, the mighty SEC would be shut out of the semi-finals.
Taken care of tonight.

Two teams from the rust belt in the National Title game, and they beat all 3 SEC teams to arrive there.

Midwest will take the Football titles this year - I saw this on either Twitter or Threads earlier today - can't find it now

NIAI - Grand View (Des Moines, IA)
NCAA D3 - North Central (Naperville, IL)
NCAA D2 - Ferris State (Big Rapids, MI)
NCAA D1 FCS - North Dakota State (Fargo, ND)

now NCAA D1 FBS will be either Ohio or Indiana.

slcagg · Post by **slcagg** » January 11th, 2025, 8:36 am

Ah yes let’s celebrate the lack of sec teams with Ohio state making it. What’s their nil? $20-$30m. Woohoo!

Slim80 · Post by **Slim80** » January 11th, 2025, 9:59 am

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Ah yes let’s celebrate the lack of sec teams with Ohio state making it. What’s their nil? $20-$30m. Woohoo!

The tone deafness of celebrating an Ohio State victory is nauseating.

NowhereLandAggie · Post by **NowhereLandAggie** » January 11th, 2025, 10:03 am

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Ah yes let’s celebrate the lack of sec teams with Ohio state making it. What’s their nil? $20-$30m. Woohoo!

Every school is boosting NIL, that isn't the point. Notre Dame is one of the wealthiest FB schools out there. The SEC's coaches, commissioner, and media reps, all whined about only having 3 teams in the playoff, while for years they have claimed things are "different" there.

They have played the game so well pollsters and media types on ESPN feed this persona also. Well, the past 2 years, especially this year, they have had to prove it on the field, and all 3 teams lost by double digits.

I have no issue with crowning whomever wins the playoff the NC, they earned it through a season of success and winning against the best. The entire SEC mantra of, "we are always the greatest," just doesn't meet reality.

https://athlonsports.com/college/texas- ... otton-bowl

Slim80 · Post by **Slim80** » January 11th, 2025, 11:57 am

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑
January 11th, 2025, 10:03 am

slcagg wrote: ↑
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Ah yes let’s celebrate the lack of sec teams with Ohio state making it. What’s their nil? $20-$30m. Woohoo!
Every school is boosting NIL, that isn't the point. Notre Dame is one of the wealthiest FB schools out there. The SEC's coaches, commissioner, and media reps, all whined about only having 3 teams in the playoff, while for years they have claimed things are "different" there.

They have played the game so well pollsters and media types on ESPN feed this persona also. Well, the past 2 years, especially this year, they have had to prove it on the field, and all 3 teams lost by double digits.

I have no issue with crowning whomever wins the playoff the NC, they earned it through a season of success and winning against the best. The entire SEC mantra of, "we are always the greatest," just doesn't meet reality.

https://athlonsports.com/college/texas- ... otton-bowl

You can’t expect the past 2 years results to change what we have watched for the past 20 years of SEC results. That’s going to take time.

NowhereLandAggie · Post by **NowhereLandAggie** » January 11th, 2025, 2:25 pm

Slim80 wrote: ↑
January 11th, 2025, 11:57 am

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑
January 11th, 2025, 10:03 am

slcagg wrote: ↑
January 11th, 2025, 8:36 am
Ah yes let’s celebrate the lack of sec teams with Ohio state making it. What’s their nil? $20-$30m. Woohoo!
Every school is boosting NIL, that isn't the point. Notre Dame is one of the wealthiest FB schools out there. The SEC's coaches, commissioner, and media reps, all whined about only having 3 teams in the playoff, while for years they have claimed things are "different" there.

They have played the game so well pollsters and media types on ESPN feed this persona also. Well, the past 2 years, especially this year, they have had to prove it on the field, and all 3 teams lost by double digits.

I have no issue with crowning whomever wins the playoff the NC, they earned it through a season of success and winning against the best. The entire SEC mantra of, "we are always the greatest," just doesn't meet reality.

https://athlonsports.com/college/texas- ... otton-bowl
You can’t expect the past 2 years results to change what we have watched for the past 20 years of SEC results. That’s going to take time.

I am not taking 2 year's results.

Even with the CFP 4 team playoff, the top team SEC was often the best, but not always. They actually had to play more than one school, but since 2014 here are the results. Yes, Georgia, Alabama, or LSU each have won it, but that doesn't make the whole conference that much better. Analytics have shown the entire league doesn't fare significantly better when teams 3-14 are measured in non-league games.

SEC 6
B1G 2
ACC 2

The champ has been 1 of 6 teams. Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Ohio State, Clemson, or Michigan.

This year it might be Notre Dame, another blue blood, but to say the whole league is better because Alabama and Georgia have had great teams some years, isn't true. They won a lot of BCS title games, because they were put into the literally every year.

We can see how they do going forward, but the league didn't do itself any favors this season in the postseason after crying foul so much.

Coloraggie · Post by **Coloraggie** » January 11th, 2025, 7:00 pm

Let me get this straight, you think the SEC winning 6 of the last 10 national championships in a playoff isn't significantly better than the next best conference that has won 2. Unbelievable. Or the team with the 3rd most championships in the SEC who is tied with most from Big 10 and only beaten by one from any other school is insignificant. If depth is the key show me the depth of championships from Big10, Big12, ACC? Hmmm.

Using this logic, I am the richest man in the world if you just don't count anyone who has more money than me.

NowhereLandAggie · Post by **NowhereLandAggie** » January 11th, 2025, 9:38 pm

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Let me get this straight, you think the SEC winning 6 of the last 10 national championships in a playoff isn't significantly better than the next best conference that has won 2. Unbelievable. Or the team with the 3rd most championships in the SEC who is tied with most from Big 10 and only beaten by one from any other school is insignificant. If depth is the key show me the depth of championships from Big10, Big12, ACC? Hmmm.

Using this logic, I am the richest man in the world if you just don't count anyone who has more money than me.

Nope, I don't.

I think Alabama, before last year, and Georgia were the best teams. They were obviously very good teams.

Here is some analytics to support this. As Texas joined, they local paper ran these numbers.

An impressive, but top-heavy, conference
Overall, SEC teams have a 64-41 record over the past five years against opponents from the Big 12, the ACC, the Big Ten and the now-reduced Pac-12. A significant chunk of that success comes from Georgia, which won back-to-back national championships following the 2021 and 2022 seasons. The Bulldogs have gone 11-0 against other Power Five schools over the past five seasons, which means the other SEC schools have just a winning percentage of 56.3%.

https://www.statesman.com/story/sports/ ... 441527007/

Or this.

That came on the heels of Notre Dame dominating Georgia 23-10, USC beating Texas A&M, Michigan handling Alabama 19-13, Ohio State obliterating Tennessee 42-17, and Illinois beating South Carolina 21-17.

All these results meant that the SEC went 1-8 this season against Notre Dame, USC, Michigan, Ohio State and Illinois. USC had more SEC conference wins than Kentucky or Mississippi State and the same number as Auburn and Oklahoma. And USC was a 6-6 team that does not play in the SEC. It's "just different," right?

Except, sure enough, like most of the narratives, it's false. SEC road teams in conference games, not including neutral sites, during the 2024 regular season went 28-34. That's a .451 winning percentage. In the much easier Big Ten, where it's not "just different" going into these stadiums, road teams won just 40% of the time.

So it was significantly easier to win on the road in the SEC this year than in the Big Ten. Whoops!

As Danny Kanell said on Saturday morning, the SEC pretends like it's the "minor league NFL," and that it's the "only team that plays tackle football." And that the conference's fans acted for years like Big 12 teams wouldn't be able to handle the physicality of the SEC. Only to have a Big 12 team, Texas, put up the best record in the conference and represent their one chance at a title.

https://www.outkick.com/sports/secs-sea ... over-texas

I never stated they aren't good, that is silly, just that they aren't significantly better than other leagues when the data is actually examined.

They didn't really impress for all of the talk they put up before the CFB playoff.

Coloraggie · Post by **Coloraggie** » January 12th, 2025, 10:11 pm

I think everyone here has said that with the changes to NIL the SEC hasn't been and won't be as dominant as they were before that. So choosing 2024 data doesn't sway anyone's opinion. As to the first quote can you can't just take out the top school. How about you take out Vandy's record over that time and look at the rest of the records. Or eliminate the records against the top school of other conferences as well. Otherwise you (or the author of the article) is cherry picking data to make a lopsided strawman argument. For example, no one is claiming Vandy is great, take out their record and see the SEC winning percentage. Take out games against Ohio State, Clemson and see the winning percentage. If I feel motivated ill look up some stuff but it will take a bit and I'll only do it you will admit the SEC was dominant from. 2013-2022 (last ten years before NIL), but if you are just going to wave your hand and dismiss it I won't bother.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » January 12th, 2025, 11:24 pm

Someone's girlfriend left the party with a guy wearing an Alabama hat.

NowhereLandAggie · Post by **NowhereLandAggie** » January 13th, 2025, 6:01 am

To all of the SEC apologists on this thread who want to keep defending a system the SEC gamed for years, I direct your attention to statements made by SEC hack Paul Finebaum that essentially agreed with the arguments I made here.

https://www.on3.com/news/paul-finebaum- ... mplicated/

“You think about Georgia, (they) would have been in the four-team playoff this year. Ohio State probably wouldn’t have,” Finebaum said on The Matt Barrie Show. “So it does make it more complicated. I mean, there’s a couple SEC teams in the past that probably wouldn’t have gotten through a gauntlet like this, but I think in many ways, we almost end the season with where we began it with Ohio State. I mean, they’re still the most talented team, and that I was vacillating and I was always on Ohio State.

It was an obtainable path for the SEC to win the BCS or even the 4 team playoff when they had 1/2 the teams in it, or in some cases (Alabama and LSU over OK State or Stanford) all of the teams. He even admits some of the teams that won the NC may not have been able to do so if they had to play in an expanded format.

They will win some titles again, there are some quality programs there, but since they have to play other teams on equal footing for it now, they won't win 60% of the titles going forward in all likelihood.

Coloraggie · Post by **Coloraggie** » January 13th, 2025, 1:41 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 6:01 am
To all of the SEC apologists on this thread who want to keep defending a system the SEC gamed for years, I direct your attention to statements made by SEC hack Paul Finebaum that essentially agreed with the arguments I made here.

https://www.on3.com/news/paul-finebaum- ... mplicated/

“You think about Georgia, (they) would have been in the four-team playoff this year. Ohio State probably wouldn’t have,” Finebaum said on The Matt Barrie Show. “So it does make it more complicated. I mean, there’s a couple SEC teams in the past that probably wouldn’t have gotten through a gauntlet like this, but I think in many ways, we almost end the season with where we began it with Ohio State. I mean, they’re still the most talented team, and that I was vacillating and I was always on Ohio State.
It was an obtainable path for the SEC to win the BCS or even the 4 team playoff when they had 1/2 the teams in it, or in some cases (Alabama and LSU over OK State or Stanford) all of the teams. He even admits some of the teams that won the NC may not have been able to do so if they had to play in an expanded format.

They will win some titles again, there are some quality programs there, but since they have to play other teams on equal footing for it now, they won't win 60% of the titles going forward in all likelihood.

Again, you are talking this year and going forward which absolutely no one is arguing about. The NIL going forward has made it dependent upon who has the richest boosters and not about winning, tradition, coaching staff, development, etc...

NowhereLandAggie · Post by **NowhereLandAggie** » January 13th, 2025, 2:58 pm

Coloraggie wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 1:41 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 6:01 am
To all of the SEC apologists on this thread who want to keep defending a system the SEC gamed for years, I direct your attention to statements made by SEC hack Paul Finebaum that essentially agreed with the arguments I made here.

https://www.on3.com/news/paul-finebaum- ... mplicated/

“You think about Georgia, (they) would have been in the four-team playoff this year. Ohio State probably wouldn’t have,” Finebaum said on The Matt Barrie Show. “So it does make it more complicated. I mean, there’s a couple SEC teams in the past that probably wouldn’t have gotten through a gauntlet like this, but I think in many ways, we almost end the season with where we began it with Ohio State. I mean, they’re still the most talented team, and that I was vacillating and I was always on Ohio State.
It was an obtainable path for the SEC to win the BCS or even the 4 team playoff when they had 1/2 the teams in it, or in some cases (Alabama and LSU over OK State or Stanford) all of the teams. He even admits some of the teams that won the NC may not have been able to do so if they had to play in an expanded format.

They will win some titles again, there are some quality programs there, but since they have to play other teams on equal footing for it now, they won't win 60% of the titles going forward in all likelihood.
Again, you are talking this year and going forward which absolutely no one is arguing about. The NIL going forward has made it dependent upon who has the richest boosters and not about winning, tradition, coaching staff, development, etc...

No, you missed this part.

Paul Finebaum wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 6:01 am
“So it does make it more complicated. I mean, there’s a couple SEC teams in the past that probably wouldn’t have gotten through a gauntlet like this

I will admit this is subjective, but when one of the talking heads of the SEC states that some of the teams that won the BCS title game or 4 team playoff probably wouldn't have handled this "gauntlet", it is simply evidence that they can't always back up being the best on the field.

They rarely leave the South for OOC games, they have records mostly against others in their conference, and are given priority from the media and voters when rankings come. This leads to them getting the edge over other teams (OK State, FSU, and a lot of others) for BCS or CFB playoff berths. Paul Finebaum himself said they may not have been able to win as many titles as they did if the playoff have been around the last 19 years. That is a hypothetical, but this information is not coming from me, it is from a whole lot of analysts.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » January 13th, 2025, 3:19 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 2:58 pm

Coloraggie wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 1:41 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 6:01 am
To all of the SEC apologists on this thread who want to keep defending a system the SEC gamed for years, I direct your attention to statements made by SEC hack Paul Finebaum that essentially agreed with the arguments I made here.

https://www.on3.com/news/paul-finebaum- ... mplicated/

“You think about Georgia, (they) would have been in the four-team playoff this year. Ohio State probably wouldn’t have,” Finebaum said on The Matt Barrie Show. “So it does make it more complicated. I mean, there’s a couple SEC teams in the past that probably wouldn’t have gotten through a gauntlet like this, but I think in many ways, we almost end the season with where we began it with Ohio State. I mean, they’re still the most talented team, and that I was vacillating and I was always on Ohio State.
It was an obtainable path for the SEC to win the BCS or even the 4 team playoff when they had 1/2 the teams in it, or in some cases (Alabama and LSU over OK State or Stanford) all of the teams. He even admits some of the teams that won the NC may not have been able to do so if they had to play in an expanded format.

They will win some titles again, there are some quality programs there, but since they have to play other teams on equal footing for it now, they won't win 60% of the titles going forward in all likelihood.
Again, you are talking this year and going forward which absolutely no one is arguing about. The NIL going forward has made it dependent upon who has the richest boosters and not about winning, tradition, coaching staff, development, etc...
No, you missed this part.

Paul Finebaum wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 6:01 am
“So it does make it more complicated. I mean, there’s a couple SEC teams in the past that probably wouldn’t have gotten through a gauntlet like this
I will admit this is subjective, but when one of the talking heads of the SEC states that some of the teams that won the BCS title game or 4 team playoff probably wouldn't have handled this "gauntlet", it is simply evidence that they can't always back up being the best on the field.

They rarely leave the South for OOC games, they have records mostly against others in their conference, and are given priority from the media and voters when rankings come. This leads to them getting the edge over other teams (OK State, FSU, and a lot of others) for BCS or CFB playoff berths. Paul Finebaum himself said they may not have been able to win as many titles as they did if the playoff have been around the last 19 years. That is a hypothetical, but this information is not coming from me, it is from a whole lot of analysts.

Funny how I quoted Urban Meyer, winner of three National Championships and you mocked it, but go all in on a sports journo you like.

The SEC fielded more talent across more teams in its conference for a solid decade and a half with only the classic Big Ten teams coming close. I don't know why you are gnashing your teeth over it.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » January 13th, 2025, 3:19 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 2:58 pm

Coloraggie wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 1:41 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 6:01 am
To all of the SEC apologists on this thread who want to keep defending a system the SEC gamed for years, I direct your attention to statements made by SEC hack Paul Finebaum that essentially agreed with the arguments I made here.

https://www.on3.com/news/paul-finebaum- ... mplicated/

“You think about Georgia, (they) would have been in the four-team playoff this year. Ohio State probably wouldn’t have,” Finebaum said on The Matt Barrie Show. “So it does make it more complicated. I mean, there’s a couple SEC teams in the past that probably wouldn’t have gotten through a gauntlet like this, but I think in many ways, we almost end the season with where we began it with Ohio State. I mean, they’re still the most talented team, and that I was vacillating and I was always on Ohio State.
It was an obtainable path for the SEC to win the BCS or even the 4 team playoff when they had 1/2 the teams in it, or in some cases (Alabama and LSU over OK State or Stanford) all of the teams. He even admits some of the teams that won the NC may not have been able to do so if they had to play in an expanded format.

They will win some titles again, there are some quality programs there, but since they have to play other teams on equal footing for it now, they won't win 60% of the titles going forward in all likelihood.
Again, you are talking this year and going forward which absolutely no one is arguing about. The NIL going forward has made it dependent upon who has the richest boosters and not about winning, tradition, coaching staff, development, etc...
No, you missed this part.

Paul Finebaum wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 6:01 am
“So it does make it more complicated. I mean, there’s a couple SEC teams in the past that probably wouldn’t have gotten through a gauntlet like this
I will admit this is subjective, but when one of the talking heads of the SEC states that some of the teams that won the BCS title game or 4 team playoff probably wouldn't have handled this "gauntlet", it is simply evidence that they can't always back up being the best on the field.

They rarely leave the South for OOC games, they have records mostly against others in their conference, and are given priority from the media and voters when rankings come. This leads to them getting the edge over other teams (OK State, FSU, and a lot of others) for BCS or CFB playoff berths. Paul Finebaum himself said they may not have been able to win as many titles as they did if the playoff have been around the last 19 years. That is a hypothetical, but this information is not coming from me, it is from a whole lot of analysts.

Funny how I quoted Urban Meyer, winner of three National Championships and you mocked it, but go all in on a sports journo you like.

The SEC fielded more talent across more teams in its conference for a solid decade and a half with only the classic Big Ten teams coming close. I don't know why you are gnashing your teeth over it.

NowhereLandAggie · Post by **NowhereLandAggie** » January 13th, 2025, 3:46 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 3:19 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 2:58 pm

Coloraggie wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 1:41 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 6:01 am
To all of the SEC apologists on this thread who want to keep defending a system the SEC gamed for years, I direct your attention to statements made by SEC hack Paul Finebaum that essentially agreed with the arguments I made here.

https://www.on3.com/news/paul-finebaum- ... mplicated/

“You think about Georgia, (they) would have been in the four-team playoff this year. Ohio State probably wouldn’t have,” Finebaum said on The Matt Barrie Show. “So it does make it more complicated. I mean, there’s a couple SEC teams in the past that probably wouldn’t have gotten through a gauntlet like this, but I think in many ways, we almost end the season with where we began it with Ohio State. I mean, they’re still the most talented team, and that I was vacillating and I was always on Ohio State.
It was an obtainable path for the SEC to win the BCS or even the 4 team playoff when they had 1/2 the teams in it, or in some cases (Alabama and LSU over OK State or Stanford) all of the teams. He even admits some of the teams that won the NC may not have been able to do so if they had to play in an expanded format.

They will win some titles again, there are some quality programs there, but since they have to play other teams on equal footing for it now, they won't win 60% of the titles going forward in all likelihood.
Again, you are talking this year and going forward which absolutely no one is arguing about. The NIL going forward has made it dependent upon who has the richest boosters and not about winning, tradition, coaching staff, development, etc...
No, you missed this part.

Paul Finebaum wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 6:01 am
“So it does make it more complicated. I mean, there’s a couple SEC teams in the past that probably wouldn’t have gotten through a gauntlet like this
I will admit this is subjective, but when one of the talking heads of the SEC states that some of the teams that won the BCS title game or 4 team playoff probably wouldn't have handled this "gauntlet", it is simply evidence that they can't always back up being the best on the field.

They rarely leave the South for OOC games, they have records mostly against others in their conference, and are given priority from the media and voters when rankings come. This leads to them getting the edge over other teams (OK State, FSU, and a lot of others) for BCS or CFB playoff berths. Paul Finebaum himself said they may not have been able to win as many titles as they did if the playoff have been around the last 19 years. That is a hypothetical, but this information is not coming from me, it is from a whole lot of analysts.

Funny how I quoted Urban Meyer, winner of three National Championships and you mocked it, but go all in on a sports journo you like.

The SEC fielded more talent across more teams in its conference for a solid decade and a half with only the classic Big Ten teams coming close. I don't know why you are gnashing your teeth over it.

It's a sports message board, and I can.

They did win the 13 NCs since 2000, but most of those were in the BCS, when they were always given the benefit of the doubt as being one of the two best teams, or Alabama and Georgia getting half of the autobids several times in the CFB playoff. They are a great league, I haven't denied it, just that they knew how to game the system and market themselves.

You and a couple of others have told me they are the NFL-lite, something that I simply felt like pointing out isn't always true when they have to play on equal terms with other conferences.

Here is the only thing I said about Urban Meyer. At Utah he was very upset when Trev Alberts, and other disparaged his MW team. He went to Florida and said if you aren't a gator, you are gator bait.

He wouldn't even refer to Michigan as a school, rather "The team up north" at Ohio State, but in his contract at Utah he had a no buyout clause for 3 teams, Notre Dame, Ohio State, or Michigan. If he had ever become the Wolverine coach, he would have disparaged the Buckeyes.

This is nothing new, you play to the admin, fans, and boosters.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » January 13th, 2025, 4:43 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 3:46 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 3:19 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 2:58 pm

Coloraggie wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 1:41 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 6:01 am
To all of the SEC apologists on this thread who want to keep defending a system the SEC gamed for years, I direct your attention to statements made by SEC hack Paul Finebaum that essentially agreed with the arguments I made here.

https://www.on3.com/news/paul-finebaum- ... mplicated/

“You think about Georgia, (they) would have been in the four-team playoff this year. Ohio State probably wouldn’t have,” Finebaum said on The Matt Barrie Show. “So it does make it more complicated. I mean, there’s a couple SEC teams in the past that probably wouldn’t have gotten through a gauntlet like this, but I think in many ways, we almost end the season with where we began it with Ohio State. I mean, they’re still the most talented team, and that I was vacillating and I was always on Ohio State.
It was an obtainable path for the SEC to win the BCS or even the 4 team playoff when they had 1/2 the teams in it, or in some cases (Alabama and LSU over OK State or Stanford) all of the teams. He even admits some of the teams that won the NC may not have been able to do so if they had to play in an expanded format.

They will win some titles again, there are some quality programs there, but since they have to play other teams on equal footing for it now, they won't win 60% of the titles going forward in all likelihood.
Again, you are talking this year and going forward which absolutely no one is arguing about. The NIL going forward has made it dependent upon who has the richest boosters and not about winning, tradition, coaching staff, development, etc...
No, you missed this part.

Paul Finebaum wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 6:01 am
“So it does make it more complicated. I mean, there’s a couple SEC teams in the past that probably wouldn’t have gotten through a gauntlet like this
I will admit this is subjective, but when one of the talking heads of the SEC states that some of the teams that won the BCS title game or 4 team playoff probably wouldn't have handled this "gauntlet", it is simply evidence that they can't always back up being the best on the field.

They rarely leave the South for OOC games, they have records mostly against others in their conference, and are given priority from the media and voters when rankings come. This leads to them getting the edge over other teams (OK State, FSU, and a lot of others) for BCS or CFB playoff berths. Paul Finebaum himself said they may not have been able to win as many titles as they did if the playoff have been around the last 19 years. That is a hypothetical, but this information is not coming from me, it is from a whole lot of analysts.

Funny how I quoted Urban Meyer, winner of three National Championships and you mocked it, but go all in on a sports journo you like.

The SEC fielded more talent across more teams in its conference for a solid decade and a half with only the classic Big Ten teams coming close. I don't know why you are gnashing your teeth over it.
It's a sports message board, and I can.

They did win the 13 NCs since 2000, but most of those were in the BCS, when they were always given the benefit of the doubt as being one of the two best teams, or Alabama and Georgia getting half of the autobids several times in the CFB playoff. They are a great league, I haven't denied it, just that they knew how to game the system and market themselves.

You and a couple of others have told me they are the NFL-lite, something that I simply felt like pointing out isn't always true when they have to play on equal terms with other conferences.

Here is the only thing I said about Urban Meyer. At Utah he was very upset when Trev Alberts, and other disparaged his MW team. He went to Florida and said if you aren't a gator, you are gator bait.

He wouldn't even refer to Michigan as a school, rather "The team up north" at Ohio State, but in his contract at Utah he had a no buyout clause for 3 teams, Notre Dame, Ohio State, or Michigan. If he had ever become the Wolverine coach, he would have disparaged the Buckeyes.

This is nothing new, you play to the admin, fans, and boosters.

I never once said they are "NFL lite" or anything like that. I observed the number of SEC players picked by the NFL; I simply acknowledged the fact that because of population density and that football has been embedded in the culture of the south since the 1950's, there is an enormous amount of talent in the south. University of Miami won five national championships in ten years concentrating almost solely on winning the recruiting battleground of Florida in the 1980s.

Urban's comment about having to adjust his play designs because of the defensive speed, isn't playing to the base. I'll listen to what a three time National Championship winning coach says over Paul Finebaum (who surely isn't playing to his base

)

The SEC had an incredible run but with NIL, the portal and limited scholarships, the talent will be democratized throughout the country.

NowhereLandAggie · Post by **NowhereLandAggie** » January 13th, 2025, 5:12 pm

The bottom line is from 2006-2022 they won 13 of the 17 titles, and it was 5 teams that did that. No one can ever dispute that. Alabama had 6 of those, and LSU, Georgia, and Florida had 2.

However, as the playoff has grown from the 2 team BCS, even to the 4 team playoff the frequency has fallen. The SEC won 5 of the 10 in the 4 team era, while winning 7 of the 10 BCS games after the Rose Bowl joined. Outside of 2006 they were in every single one of the BCS title games.

The more teams have had a chance to play, the less they have won.

The mantra, "Prove it on the field" applies. They have the chance to win, and this year (and last) they didn't. Even last year Alabama was a controversial pick over Florida State.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » January 14th, 2025, 8:59 am

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑
January 13th, 2025, 5:12 pm
The bottom line is from 2006-2022 they won 13 of the 17 titles, and it was 5 teams that did that. No one can ever dispute that. Alabama had 6 of those, and LSU, Georgia, and Florida had 2.

However, as the playoff has grown from the 2 team BCS, even to the 4 team playoff the frequency has fallen. The SEC won 5 of the 10 in the 4 team era, while winning 7 of the 10 BCS games after the Rose Bowl joined. Outside of 2006 they were in every single one of the BCS title games.

The more teams have had a chance to play, the less they have won.

The mantra, "Prove it on the field" applies. They have the chance to win, and this year (and last) they didn't. Even last year Alabama was a controversial pick over Florida State.

Right. The SEC was dominant in the early 2000's up until COVID when transfer rules, NIL, and the such, made it easier for players to move around so teams like Alabama, Georgia, Florida State, Ohio State, etc., couldn't stack their roster three deep with 4- and 5-star talent. More teams in the playoff is a good thing

University of Miami went from football mediocrity and obscurity in the 70s and early 80's by concentrating almost solely on recruiting the south, especially Florida, in the early 1980's. Howard Schnellenberger, who pulled them out of the gutter, said his goal was to win Florida and drew a map from Lake City in the north, down to Miami. That was the target for recruiting. Over the next decade they won five national championships and put more players in the NFL than any other school. Florida State followed the same model of recruiting and became a perennial, dominant team for twenty plus years.

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