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Re: PAC 12 update
From the latest McMurphy update regarding Hawaii joining MW as a full member:
“The Pac-12 has put its expansion plans on pause, sources said. The Pac-12 won’t add any more schools until its media rights evaluation is completed. That process could take up to three months, a source said.”
Still gonna be a minute looks like.
“The Pac-12 has put its expansion plans on pause, sources said. The Pac-12 won’t add any more schools until its media rights evaluation is completed. That process could take up to three months, a source said.”
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Re: PAC 12 update
NIU & Toledo would be smoking crack to take that deal! Who are they going to join in Oly-sports????
BTW I'm good with us checking on media partners as to who they want us to target, that means there will be money backing it!!!!
BTW I'm good with us checking on media partners as to who they want us to target, that means there will be money backing it!!!!
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Re: PAC 12 update
Missouri Valley, summit league or A10 are all good non basketball conferences that they could park their teams in.
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With these rumors of NIU and Toledo being looked at just destroys my thinking that the MAC was the most stable conference out there. A lot of those teams have been together for a long time.
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Re: PAC 12 update
NIU would be a good match for MVC - 4 other Illinois teamsLarryTheAggie wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 7:43 amMissouri Valley, summit league or A10 are all good non basketball non-football conferences that they could park their teams in.
Toledo would be an eastern outlier by 200 miles from Valpo - but that's not much different than their 250+ mile southwestern outlier of Missouri St
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Are they done? Does adding more schools dilute revenue or protect the conference?
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Re: PAC 12 update
Let's be honest here: this was a hostage negotiation, not a mutually beneficial arrangement. The MWC teams don't want to fly their sports programs to Hawaii, and Hawaii doesn't want to have to fly to El Paso, Laramie (well, no worries you'll be driving from Denver), Colorado Springs, ABQ, Reno or LV! Hawaii had it good in the BW, they could take two flights, one to LA and one to the Bay Area, and knock out several games via bus circuit. That will be challenging now. And for what? A minor increase in revenue (maybe)?
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It sounds like they are talking to some MAC schools about the possibility of joining as a football-only member, presumably 9 teams is much better than 8 for a football conference. It seems optimistic to think that any MAC team is going to want to make what is at best a lateral move from the stable MAC to be a geographic outlier in the unstable MWC. But who knows?trevordude wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 2:10 pmAre they done? Does adding more schools dilute revenue or protect the conference?
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Yeah, I would like to think that whoever makes these decisions crunched the numbers and concluded that adding Hawaii as a full member was the least bad option. But it's not obvious to me that the additional travel costs from flying your non-revenue sports to Hawaii are going to be less than the amount you lose from sharing your conference revenue with New Mexico State or Sacramento State. I would guess that NMSU would add basically zero TV viewers to a conference that already has New Mexico and UTEP, but Sacramento State and Tarleton State don't add enough TV sets to break even? I have to wonder if Sacramento State told the MWC that they want either the PAC or nothing. If I were the MWC and desperately needed another school or two, you could do a lot worse than a successful FCS program in a large market with basically zero competition from other college or professional teams.ViAggie wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 2:38 pmLet's be honest here: this was a hostage negotiation, not a mutually beneficial arrangement. The MWC teams don't want to fly their sports programs to Hawaii, and Hawaii doesn't want to have to fly to El Paso, Laramie (well, no worries you'll be driving from Denver), Colorado Springs, ABQ, Reno or LV! Hawaii had it good in the BW, they could take two flights, one to LA and one to the Bay Area, and knock out several games via bus circuit. That will be challenging now. And for what? A minor increase in revenue (maybe)?
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Re: PAC 12 update
Had the MWC could have been able to grab Texas State, they probably would have left Hawaii alone.StanfordAggie wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 2:48 pmYeah, I would like to think that whoever makes these decisions crunched the numbers and concluded that adding Hawaii as a full member was the least bad option. But it's not obvious to me that the additional travel costs from flying your non-revenue sports to Hawaii are going to be less than the amount you lose from sharing your conference revenue with New Mexico State or Sacramento State. I would guess that NMSU would add basically zero TV viewers to a conference that already has New Mexico and UTEP, but Sacramento State and Tarleton State don't add enough TV sets to break even? I have to wonder if Sacramento State told the MWC that they want either the PAC or nothing. If I were the MWC and desperately needed another school or two, you could do a lot worse than a successful FCS program in a large market with basically zero competition from other college or professional teams.ViAggie wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 2:38 pmLet's be honest here: this was a hostage negotiation, not a mutually beneficial arrangement. The MWC teams don't want to fly their sports programs to Hawaii, and Hawaii doesn't want to have to fly to El Paso, Laramie (well, no worries you'll be driving from Denver), Colorado Springs, ABQ, Reno or LV! Hawaii had it good in the BW, they could take two flights, one to LA and one to the Bay Area, and knock out several games via bus circuit. That will be challenging now. And for what? A minor increase in revenue (maybe)?
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Because there is no news here’s my ranked list of schools most likely to elevate the Pac-12 to Power Five (P5) status, based on their potential impact and the percent likelihood they will join the PAC.
1.) SMU (30%) – Adds Texas market and strong academic/athletic programs.
2.) Memphis (25%) – Boosts competitiveness.
3.) Cal (20%) – Prestigious academics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
4.) Stanford (20%) – Prestigious academics athletics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
5.) UNLV (5%) – Provides access to the Las Vegas market
1.) SMU (30%) – Adds Texas market and strong academic/athletic programs.
2.) Memphis (25%) – Boosts competitiveness.
3.) Cal (20%) – Prestigious academics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
4.) Stanford (20%) – Prestigious academics athletics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
5.) UNLV (5%) – Provides access to the Las Vegas market
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I don't get this. There's a reason Hawaii wasn't a full member why would they want to switch now?
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And by listing SMU you meant North Texas right?Blue Sage wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 9:10 pmBecause there is no news here’s my ranked list of schools most likely to elevate the Pac-12 to Power Five (P5) status, based on their potential impact and the percent likelihood they will join the PAC.
1.) SMU (30%) – Adds Texas market and strong academic/athletic programs.
2.) Memphis (25%) – Boosts competitiveness.
3.) Cal (20%) – Prestigious academics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
4.) Stanford (20%) – Prestigious academics athletics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
5.) UNLV (5%) – Provides access to the Las Vegas market
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Ideally, the PAC land Cal and Stanford.Blue Sage wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 9:10 pmBecause there is no news here’s my ranked list of schools most likely to elevate the Pac-12 to Power Five (P5) status, based on their potential impact and the percent likelihood they will join the PAC.
1.) SMU (30%) – Adds Texas market and strong academic/athletic programs.
2.) Memphis (25%) – Boosts competitiveness.
3.) Cal (20%) – Prestigious academics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
4.) Stanford (20%) – Prestigious academics athletics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
5.) UNLV (5%) – Provides access to the Las Vegas market
Cal and Stanford have the Bay Area market, viewership, and the sports.
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Re: PAC 12 update
SMU got a bad deal with the ACC. If there was a way out, they would take it.aggies22 wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 10:54 pmAnd by listing SMU you meant North Texas right?Blue Sage wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 9:10 pmBecause there is no news here’s my ranked list of schools most likely to elevate the Pac-12 to Power Five (P5) status, based on their potential impact and the percent likelihood they will join the PAC.
1.) SMU (30%) – Adds Texas market and strong academic/athletic programs.
2.) Memphis (25%) – Boosts competitiveness.
3.) Cal (20%) – Prestigious academics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
4.) Stanford (20%) – Prestigious academics athletics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
5.) UNLV (5%) – Provides access to the Las Vegas market
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Re: PAC 12 update
I can't imagine that CAL and Stanford faired much better... but better indeedSLB wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 11:18 pmSMU got a bad deal with the ACC. If there was a way out, they would take it.aggies22 wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 10:54 pmAnd by listing SMU you meant North Texas right?Blue Sage wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 9:10 pmBecause there is no news here’s my ranked list of schools most likely to elevate the Pac-12 to Power Five (P5) status, based on their potential impact and the percent likelihood they will join the PAC.
1.) SMU (30%) – Adds Texas market and strong academic/athletic programs.
2.) Memphis (25%) – Boosts competitiveness.
3.) Cal (20%) – Prestigious academics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
4.) Stanford (20%) – Prestigious academics athletics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
5.) UNLV (5%) – Provides access to the Las Vegas market
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This is my question too. I thought they liked their situation with football only in the MWC, and the Big West for everything else.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 9:11 pmI don't get this. There's a reason Hawaii wasn't a full member why would they want to switch now?
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SMU got a garbage deal to get into the ACC.ViAggie wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 11:44 pmI can't imagine that CAL and Stanford faired much better... but better indeedSLB wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 11:18 pmSMU got a bad deal with the ACC. If there was a way out, they would take it.aggies22 wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 10:54 pmAnd by listing SMU you meant North Texas right?Blue Sage wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 9:10 pmBecause there is no news here’s my ranked list of schools most likely to elevate the Pac-12 to Power Five (P5) status, based on their potential impact and the percent likelihood they will join the PAC.
1.) SMU (30%) – Adds Texas market and strong academic/athletic programs.
2.) Memphis (25%) – Boosts competitiveness.
3.) Cal (20%) – Prestigious academics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
4.) Stanford (20%) – Prestigious academics athletics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
5.) UNLV (5%) – Provides access to the Las Vegas market
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I think the main reason is that the MWC needed eight full members and they only had seven. I guess they decided that the cost of traveling to Hawaii was less than the cost of feeding another mouth.AttackPunt wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 11:44 pmThis is my question too. I thought they liked their situation with football only in the MWC, and the Big West for everything else.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 9:11 pmI don't get this. There's a reason Hawaii wasn't a full member why would they want to switch now?
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Re: PAC 12 update
Their only other target was Texas State.... they figured Texas State would move the needle more than Hawaii did. LOLStanfordAggie wrote: ↑October 16th, 2024, 12:40 amI think the main reason is that the MWC needed eight full members and they only had seven. I guess they decided that the cost of traveling to Hawaii was less than the cost of feeding another mouth.AttackPunt wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 11:44 pmThis is my question too. I thought they liked their situation with football only in the MWC, and the Big West for everything else.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 9:11 pmI don't get this. There's a reason Hawaii wasn't a full member why would they want to switch now?
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Sure, I get why the MWC would do this. But what's in it for Hawaii?StanfordAggie wrote: ↑October 16th, 2024, 12:40 amI think the main reason is that the MWC needed eight full members and they only had seven. I guess they decided that the cost of traveling to Hawaii was less than the cost of feeding another mouth.AttackPunt wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 11:44 pmThis is my question too. I thought they liked their situation with football only in the MWC, and the Big West for everything else.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 9:11 pmI don't get this. There's a reason Hawaii wasn't a full member why would they want to switch now?
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Re: PAC 12 update
Keeping the MWC stable. That's what's in it. Football drives the bus, they really had no other choice. Their choice was either to agree to join the MWC or be replaced with NMSU and go indy, I bet money that was conveyed to them.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 16th, 2024, 9:19 amSure, I get why the MWC would do this. But what's in it for Hawaii?StanfordAggie wrote: ↑October 16th, 2024, 12:40 amI think the main reason is that the MWC needed eight full members and they only had seven. I guess they decided that the cost of traveling to Hawaii was less than the cost of feeding another mouth.AttackPunt wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 11:44 pmThis is my question too. I thought they liked their situation with football only in the MWC, and the Big West for everything else.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 9:11 pmI don't get this. There's a reason Hawaii wasn't a full member why would they want to switch now?
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Hawaii joined because they were given the chance to be a member of one conference instead of two, the Mountain West is a better conference top to bottom than the Big West, with $0 subsidies, and staff now only answers to one conference instead of juggling meetings between two, and the payout is bigger.StanfordAggie wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 2:48 pmYeah, I would like to think that whoever makes these decisions crunched the numbers and concluded that adding Hawaii as a full member was the least bad option. But it's not obvious to me that the additional travel costs from flying your non-revenue sports to Hawaii are going to be less than the amount you lose from sharing your conference revenue with New Mexico State or Sacramento State. I would guess that NMSU would add basically zero TV viewers to a conference that already has New Mexico and UTEP, but Sacramento State and Tarleton State don't add enough TV sets to break even? I have to wonder if Sacramento State told the MWC that they want either the PAC or nothing. If I were the MWC and desperately needed another school or two, you could do a lot worse than a successful FCS program in a large market with basically zero competition from other college or professional teams.ViAggie wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 2:38 pmLet's be honest here: this was a hostage negotiation, not a mutually beneficial arrangement. The MWC teams don't want to fly their sports programs to Hawaii, and Hawaii doesn't want to have to fly to El Paso, Laramie (well, no worries you'll be driving from Denver), Colorado Springs, ABQ, Reno or LV! Hawaii had it good in the BW, they could take two flights, one to LA and one to the Bay Area, and knock out several games via bus circuit. That will be challenging now. And for what? A minor increase in revenue (maybe)?
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Wait, so you think North Texas should be the #1 hypothetical target for the PAC? Id like to see the rest of your wish listaggies22 wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 10:54 pmAnd by listing SMU you meant North Texas right?Blue Sage wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 9:10 pmBecause there is no news here’s my ranked list of schools most likely to elevate the Pac-12 to Power Five (P5) status, based on their potential impact and the percent likelihood they will join the PAC.
1.) SMU (30%) – Adds Texas market and strong academic/athletic programs.
2.) Memphis (25%) – Boosts competitiveness.
3.) Cal (20%) – Prestigious academics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
4.) Stanford (20%) – Prestigious academics athletics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
5.) UNLV (5%) – Provides access to the Las Vegas market
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SMU literally negotiated that bad deal themselves. They said to themselves, "hey, we can sustain ourselves for 9 years with no compensation from the league's media deal". Then they had a historic amount of booster donations the moment it became official.SLB wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 11:18 pmSMU got a bad deal with the ACC. If there was a way out, they would take it.aggies22 wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 10:54 pmAnd by listing SMU you meant North Texas right?Blue Sage wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 9:10 pmBecause there is no news here’s my ranked list of schools most likely to elevate the Pac-12 to Power Five (P5) status, based on their potential impact and the percent likelihood they will join the PAC.
1.) SMU (30%) – Adds Texas market and strong academic/athletic programs.
2.) Memphis (25%) – Boosts competitiveness.
3.) Cal (20%) – Prestigious academics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
4.) Stanford (20%) – Prestigious academics athletics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
5.) UNLV (5%) – Provides access to the Las Vegas market
The ponies aren't walking away from the ACC.
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I didn't say that. I just know what I know.The Old Bull wrote: ↑October 16th, 2024, 10:48 amWait, so you think North Texas should be the #1 hypothetical target for the PAC? Id like to see the rest of your wish listaggies22 wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 10:54 pmAnd by listing SMU you meant North Texas right?Blue Sage wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 9:10 pmBecause there is no news here’s my ranked list of schools most likely to elevate the Pac-12 to Power Five (P5) status, based on their potential impact and the percent likelihood they will join the PAC.
1.) SMU (30%) – Adds Texas market and strong academic/athletic programs.
2.) Memphis (25%) – Boosts competitiveness.
3.) Cal (20%) – Prestigious academics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
4.) Stanford (20%) – Prestigious academics athletics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
5.) UNLV (5%) – Provides access to the Las Vegas market
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Re: PAC 12 update
Interesting...aggies22 wrote: ↑October 16th, 2024, 10:50 amI didn't say that. I just know what I know.The Old Bull wrote: ↑October 16th, 2024, 10:48 amWait, so you think North Texas should be the #1 hypothetical target for the PAC? Id like to see the rest of your wish listaggies22 wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 10:54 pmAnd by listing SMU you meant North Texas right?Blue Sage wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 9:10 pmBecause there is no news here’s my ranked list of schools most likely to elevate the Pac-12 to Power Five (P5) status, based on their potential impact and the percent likelihood they will join the PAC.
1.) SMU (30%) – Adds Texas market and strong academic/athletic programs.
2.) Memphis (25%) – Boosts competitiveness.
3.) Cal (20%) – Prestigious academics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
4.) Stanford (20%) – Prestigious academics athletics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
5.) UNLV (5%) – Provides access to the Las Vegas market
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ETA on when we will know what you know?aggies22 wrote: ↑October 16th, 2024, 10:50 amI didn't say that. I just know what I know.The Old Bull wrote: ↑October 16th, 2024, 10:48 amWait, so you think North Texas should be the #1 hypothetical target for the PAC? Id like to see the rest of your wish listaggies22 wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 10:54 pmAnd by listing SMU you meant North Texas right?Blue Sage wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 9:10 pmBecause there is no news here’s my ranked list of schools most likely to elevate the Pac-12 to Power Five (P5) status, based on their potential impact and the percent likelihood they will join the PAC.
1.) SMU (30%) – Adds Texas market and strong academic/athletic programs.
2.) Memphis (25%) – Boosts competitiveness.
3.) Cal (20%) – Prestigious academics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
4.) Stanford (20%) – Prestigious academics athletics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
5.) UNLV (5%) – Provides access to the Las Vegas market
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That's not up to me my Aggie brother.5thGenAggie wrote: ↑October 16th, 2024, 11:09 amETA on when we will know what you know?aggies22 wrote: ↑October 16th, 2024, 10:50 amThe Old Bull wrote: ↑October 16th, 2024, 10:48 amWait, so you think North Texas should be the #1 hypothetical target for the PAC? Id like to see the rest of your wish listaggies22 wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 10:54 pmAnd by listing SMU you meant North Texas right?Blue Sage wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 9:10 pmBecause there is no news here’s my ranked list of schools most likely to elevate the Pac-12 to Power Five (P5) status, based on their potential impact and the percent likelihood they will join the PAC.
1.) SMU (30%) – Adds Texas market and strong academic/athletic programs.
2.) Memphis (25%) – Boosts competitiveness.
3.) Cal (20%) – Prestigious academics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
4.) Stanford (20%) – Prestigious academics athletics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
5.) UNLV (5%) – Provides access to the Las Vegas market
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I really hope nothing has changed with Memphis still coming. I’m fine with North Texas coming so long as it’s not in place of Memphis.aggies22 wrote: ↑October 16th, 2024, 10:50 amI didn't say that. I just know what I know.The Old Bull wrote: ↑October 16th, 2024, 10:48 amWait, so you think North Texas should be the #1 hypothetical target for the PAC? Id like to see the rest of your wish listaggies22 wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 10:54 pmAnd by listing SMU you meant North Texas right?Blue Sage wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 9:10 pmBecause there is no news here’s my ranked list of schools most likely to elevate the Pac-12 to Power Five (P5) status, based on their potential impact and the percent likelihood they will join the PAC.
1.) SMU (30%) – Adds Texas market and strong academic/athletic programs.
2.) Memphis (25%) – Boosts competitiveness.
3.) Cal (20%) – Prestigious academics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
4.) Stanford (20%) – Prestigious academics athletics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
5.) UNLV (5%) – Provides access to the Las Vegas market
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Re: PAC 12 update
Memphis is coming, how many others join them is the question.EngineeringAggie wrote: ↑October 16th, 2024, 11:19 amI really hope nothing has changed with Memphis still coming. I’m fine with North Texas coming so long as it’s not in place of Memphis.aggies22 wrote: ↑October 16th, 2024, 10:50 amI didn't say that. I just know what I know.The Old Bull wrote: ↑October 16th, 2024, 10:48 amWait, so you think North Texas should be the #1 hypothetical target for the PAC? Id like to see the rest of your wish listaggies22 wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 10:54 pmAnd by listing SMU you meant North Texas right?Blue Sage wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 9:10 pmBecause there is no news here’s my ranked list of schools most likely to elevate the Pac-12 to Power Five (P5) status, based on their potential impact and the percent likelihood they will join the PAC.
1.) SMU (30%) – Adds Texas market and strong academic/athletic programs.
2.) Memphis (25%) – Boosts competitiveness.
3.) Cal (20%) – Prestigious academics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
4.) Stanford (20%) – Prestigious academics athletics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
5.) UNLV (5%) – Provides access to the Las Vegas market
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Re: PAC 12 update
Is North Texas a better candidate than UTSA and in what aspects?JFWAggie wrote: ↑October 16th, 2024, 11:26 amMemphis is coming, how many others join them is the question.EngineeringAggie wrote: ↑October 16th, 2024, 11:19 amI really hope nothing has changed with Memphis still coming. I’m fine with North Texas coming so long as it’s not in place of Memphis.aggies22 wrote: ↑October 16th, 2024, 10:50 amI didn't say that. I just know what I know.The Old Bull wrote: ↑October 16th, 2024, 10:48 amWait, so you think North Texas should be the #1 hypothetical target for the PAC? Id like to see the rest of your wish listaggies22 wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 10:54 pmAnd by listing SMU you meant North Texas right?Blue Sage wrote: ↑October 15th, 2024, 9:10 pmBecause there is no news here’s my ranked list of schools most likely to elevate the Pac-12 to Power Five (P5) status, based on their potential impact and the percent likelihood they will join the PAC.
1.) SMU (30%) – Adds Texas market and strong academic/athletic programs.
2.) Memphis (25%) – Boosts competitiveness.
3.) Cal (20%) – Prestigious academics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
4.) Stanford (20%) – Prestigious academics athletics and historical ties to the Pac-12.
5.) UNLV (5%) – Provides access to the Las Vegas market