SLB wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 3:49 pm

On that note I always feel like football only affiliations signal the end of a conference, ie the Big West and others. Other than Notre Dame and the ACC. Could just be my ptsd of the end of the Big West as a football conference speaking though.

NIU and Toledo would be fools. Can't imagine they make up any difference in TV money vs travel

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 3:27 pm

GCU has a reputation of being a diploma mill. Talking in terms of athletics and specifically basketball GCU is very good and it is a great pickup for the MWC. They sell out their stadium and have a very large, loud and proud fanbase. The conference tournament in 2025 will be very well attended.

Let's be real. This ain't about academics anymore.

ratofallaggies wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 3:26 pm

rAggie wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 2:56 pm

ratofallaggies wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 1:09 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 1:08 pm

ratofallaggies wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 1:01 pm

I would think about who KC is getting his information. Once you know that, you'll know why there's a heavily added bias towards the MWC.

Who? Aren't his connections at SUU and USU. Who else would he be getting his information that is biased toward the mwc?

He does consulting work for the Hawaii.

True, but he does consulting for many schools, and probably isnt looking to tarnish his brand by publishing falsehoods.

If KC said it, it is true.

Oh I don't think it's a falsehood. I'm saying that it comes from a biased standpoint. Having "their own carve outs" can mean a lot of different things that would seem logical.

I'll add this. I have had several conversations with KC about a number of subjects over the years and nearly everything we talk about eventually plays out exactly as it is explained to me.

aggies22 wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 4:43 pm

ratofallaggies wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 3:26 pm

rAggie wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 2:56 pm

ratofallaggies wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 1:09 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 1:08 pm

ratofallaggies wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 1:01 pm

I would think about who KC is getting his information. Once you know that, you'll know why there's a heavily added bias towards the MWC.

Who? Aren't his connections at SUU and USU. Who else would he be getting his information that is biased toward the mwc?

He does consulting work for the Hawaii.

True, but he does consulting for many schools, and probably isnt looking to tarnish his brand by publishing falsehoods.

If KC said it, it is true.

Oh I don't think it's a falsehood. I'm saying that it comes from a biased standpoint. Having "their own carve outs" can mean a lot of different things that would seem logical.

I'll add this. I have had several conversations with KC about a number of subjects over the years and nearly everything we talk about eventually plays out exactly as it is explained to me.

You could argue he’s more tied in than ever since he’s now a consultant for so many schools in addition to all his old connections.

CacheCow wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 6:54 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 4:43 pm

ratofallaggies wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 3:26 pm

rAggie wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 2:56 pm

ratofallaggies wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 1:09 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 1:08 pm

ratofallaggies wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 1:01 pm

I would think about who KC is getting his information. Once you know that, you'll know why there's a heavily added bias towards the MWC.

Who? Aren't his connections at SUU and USU. Who else would he be getting his information that is biased toward the mwc?

He does consulting work for the Hawaii.

True, but he does consulting for many schools, and probably isnt looking to tarnish his brand by publishing falsehoods.

If KC said it, it is true.

Oh I don't think it's a falsehood. I'm saying that it comes from a biased standpoint. Having "their own carve outs" can mean a lot of different things that would seem logical.

I'll add this. I have had several conversations with KC about a number of subjects over the years and nearly everything we talk about eventually plays out exactly as it is explained to me.

You could argue he’s more tied in than ever since he’s now a consultant for so many schools in addition to all his old connections.

I’m not disagreeing and he’s obviously pretty plugged in but all of my conversations with him always ended up coming back to his time coaching woman’s softball.

Aggie1990 wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 4:05 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 3:49 pm

On that note I always feel like football only affiliations signal the end of a conference, ie the Big West and others. Other than Notre Dame and the ACC. Could just be my ptsd of the end of the Big West as a football conference speaking though.

Even the Big East couldn't stay together when they had football and non-football members in the same conference. That's why I have always been strongly opposed to adding non-football members to the MWC with the possible exception of Gonzaga. But I think it will work okay for the PAC. Worst-case scenario is that Gonzaga stumbles after Mark Few retires, in which case they probably rejoin the WCC. But I would be very unhappy about GCU if we were still in the MWC. GCU is basically a diploma mill that sells degrees to anyone who can sign a check and uses it to fund what is basically a minor league professional sports program. I can't imagine that will be good for the long-term stability of the conference.

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 8:54 pm

Aggie1990 wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 4:05 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 3:49 pm

On that note I always feel like football only affiliations signal the end of a conference, ie the Big West and others. Other than Notre Dame and the ACC. Could just be my ptsd of the end of the Big West as a football conference speaking though.

Even the Big East couldn't stay together when they had football and non-football members in the same conference. That's why I have always been strongly opposed to adding non-football members to the MWC with the possible exception of Gonzaga. But I think it will work okay for the PAC. Worst-case scenario is that Gonzaga stumbles after Mark Few retires, in which case they probably rejoin the WCC. But I would be very unhappy about GCU if we were still in the MWC. GCU is basically a diploma mill that sells degrees to anyone who can sign a check and uses it to fund what is basically a minor league professional sports program. I can't imagine that will be good for the long-term stability of the conference.

I'm wondering if the WCC is breathing a quiet sigh of relief on this. GCU was not a good fit for that conference at all, and most of those non-AD university types can't have been happy about it.

Went to the UTSA game yesterday and they need to be in the Pac-12. If that's what nobody caring about football looks like then half of Maverik Stadium doesn't even know we have football. The tailgating was what you'd expect from a team in Texas. They were loud and rowdy the whole game and the lower bowl was only 1/3-1/2 full. They caused 3 false starts and my ears can still feel it. I would not be mad if I got to go back for a USU game.

My knock on UTSA is their basketball program sucks. But I know I know that doesn’t matter.

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑

November 3rd, 2024, 2:46 pm

My knock on UTSA is their basketball program sucks. But I know I know that doesn’t matter.

It’s not a driving factor but it does matter.

I might be leaning north Texas over them. I like the DFW area more for recruiting and they have a solid hoops program. With a pretty comparable budget.

UTSA plays hoops in a hs gym and they play in an nfl arena and don’t always get great attendance. they just played Memphis at home and barely had anyone there. It’s concerning.

For whatever it is worth, in Canzano’s Monday Mailbag, he indicated clarity on the media rights piece and additional PAC-12 members is likely still months away.

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑

November 4th, 2024, 5:33 pm

For whatever it is worth, in Canzano’s Monday Mailbag, he indicated clarity on the media rights piece and additional PAC-12 members is likely still months away.

No surprise here, we heard this a while ago.

aggies22 wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 4:19 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑

November 1st, 2024, 3:27 pm

GCU has a reputation of being a diploma mill. Talking in terms of athletics and specifically basketball GCU is very good and it is a great pickup for the MWC. They sell out their stadium and have a very large, loud and proud fanbase. The conference tournament in 2025 will be very well attended.

Let's be real. This ain't about academics anymore.

Ironically, the last ones to figure this out were the "elite academic" institutions in the old Pac 12. They supposedly rejected a slightly larger media deal than the Big 12 currently has because they thought their academic status merited a larger contract than it did. Their arrogance lost them the media deal and their conference.

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑

November 4th, 2024, 7:06 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑

November 3rd, 2024, 2:46 pm

My knock on UTSA is their basketball program sucks. But I know I know that doesn’t matter.

It’s not a driving factor but it does matter.

I might be leaning north Texas over them. I like the DFW area more for recruiting and they have a solid hoops program. With a pretty comparable budget.

UTSA plays hoops in a hs gym and they play in an nfl arena and don’t always get great attendance. they just played Memphis at home and barely had anyone there. It’s concerning.

UTSA beats up C-USA schools, but they have gone to C-USA+ late to the party. UTSA will lose fans after being no longer annually 10-win program in C-USA.

Guess the money isn't more than $10 million

trevordude wrote: ↑

November 6th, 2024, 6:07 pm

Guess the money isn't more than $10 million

Please never regurgitate that visual vomit of a show that Monty puts out.

Nothing he has ever said is credible. He has no sources.

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑

November 6th, 2024, 9:12 pm

trevordude wrote: ↑

November 6th, 2024, 6:07 pm

Guess the money isn't more than $10 million

Please never regurgitate that visual vomit of a show that Monty puts out.

Nothing he has ever said is credible. He has no sources.

Dunno if this is true or not. But I will summarize:

1. Target for money is $10M, likely ESPN for football, Fox for bball.
2. They take a few minutes to kind of mention how USU is just a warm body to fill in the gaps. They talked about the title IX issues and the DOJ as being part of the head-scratching reason why the PAC would want USU. PAC needs to get to 10, and ultimately 12 teams.
3. They discussed Sac State and that they are making a strong push for the PAC, and that the PAC should consider adding them.
4. They mention the importance of basketball credits, especially early on in the league.

Edit: they also mentioned a Boise sweetheart deal in the PAC? Doubt that one is true.

That was about it. USU really needs to get the right football coach this year and consistently compete for conference championships.

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑

November 6th, 2024, 9:16 pm

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑

November 6th, 2024, 9:12 pm

trevordude wrote: ↑

November 6th, 2024, 6:07 pm

Guess the money isn't more than $10 million

Please never regurgitate that visual vomit of a show that Monty puts out.

Nothing he has ever said is credible. He has no sources.

Dunno if this is true or not. But I will summarize:

1. Target for money is $10M, likely ESPN for football, Fox for bball.
2. They take a few minutes to kind of mention how USU is just a warm body to fill in the gaps. They talked about the title IX issues and the DOJ as being part of the head-scratching reason why the PAC would want USU. PAC needs to get to 10, and ultimately 12 teams.
3. They discussed Sac State and that they are making a strong push for the PAC, and that the PAC should consider adding them.
4. They mention the importance of basketball credits, especially early on in the league.

That was about it. USU really needs to get the right football coach this year and consistently compete for conference championships.

Nothing they ever say has an ounce of merit. It’s Tim Montemeyer. He has no sources, doesn’t have any inside information. He and his son just sit on their YouTube live stream for 40 viewers and spew absolute nonsense

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑

November 6th, 2024, 9:16 pm

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑

November 6th, 2024, 9:12 pm

trevordude wrote: ↑

November 6th, 2024, 6:07 pm

Guess the money isn't more than $10 million

Please never regurgitate that visual vomit of a show that Monty puts out.

Nothing he has ever said is credible. He has no sources.

Dunno if this is true or not. But I will summarize:

1. Target for money is $10M, likely ESPN for football, Fox for bball.
2. They take a few minutes to kind of mention how USU is just a warm body to fill in the gaps. They talked about the title IX issues and the DOJ as being part of the head-scratching reason why the PAC would want USU. PAC needs to get to 10, and ultimately 12 teams.
3. They discussed Sac State and that they are making a strong push for the PAC, and that the PAC should consider adding them.
4. They mention the importance of basketball credits, especially early on in the league.

Edit: they also mentioned a Boise sweetheart deal in the PAC? Doubt that one is true.

That was about it. USU really needs to get the right football coach this year and consistently compete for conference championships.

What are we getting now? I think it's 4MM. Even if the new deal is "only" 10MM/year to USU we're more than doubling current amount.

Does anyone know if the PaC added USU on condition that they don’t get any heavy sanctions from the NcAa/ DOJ like a cut in scholarships for a few years, post season play disqualification, death penalty? The thought has crossed my mind and I worry we may be made to be an example of here soon.

Chatman wrote: ↑

November 7th, 2024, 6:22 am

Does anyone know if the PaC added USU on condition that they don’t get any heavy sanctions from the NcAa/ DOJ like a cut in scholarships for a few years, post season play disqualification, death penalty? The thought has crossed my mind and I worry we may be made to be an example of here soon.

I have the same feeling.

You can pretty much assume the truth is the opposite of whatever is said on The Monty Show.

AGNUMPI wrote: ↑

November 7th, 2024, 8:46 am

Chatman wrote: ↑

November 7th, 2024, 6:22 am

Does anyone know if the PaC added USU on condition that they don’t get any heavy sanctions from the NcAa/ DOJ like a cut in scholarships for a few years, post season play disqualification, death penalty? The thought has crossed my mind and I worry we may be made to be an example of here soon.

I have the same feeling.

I am not concerned about this

GeoAg wrote: ↑

November 7th, 2024, 9:06 am

AGNUMPI wrote: ↑

November 7th, 2024, 8:46 am

Chatman wrote: ↑

November 7th, 2024, 6:22 am

Does anyone know if the PaC added USU on condition that they don’t get any heavy sanctions from the NcAa/ DOJ like a cut in scholarships for a few years, post season play disqualification, death penalty? The thought has crossed my mind and I worry we may be made to be an example of here soon.

I have the same feeling.

I am not concerned about this

Agreed, the PAC made the invite knowing full well what was going on with the investigation. I am confident Diana and team are making the necessary changes that will be advised from the DOJ investigation.

Not to make this sandboxy and that's not my intent, but based on recent events I'm guessing that even if the DOJ was ready to slap down USU, that will likely change soon, especially considering that our Gov. is an Aggie and I believe that his change of tone last summer has likely found a way to get some political favors in DC (one has to think).

ViAggie wrote: ↑

November 7th, 2024, 11:49 am

Not to make this sandboxy and that's not my intent, but based on recent events I'm guessing that even if the DOJ was ready to slap down USU, that will likely change soon, especially considering that our Gov. is an Aggie and I believe that his change of tone last summer has likely found a way to get some political favors in DC (one has to think).

That's why it pays to be a Republican. Welcome aboard.

Looking at UC Santa Barbara's basketball and baseball, UC Santa Barbara wants to move up in the college sports world.
Their college basketball team's starting lineup include a SEC transfer, Swenson from Stetson, and a transfer from Wichita State
All of them played well over 20 minutes per game. One of UCSB's backups scored over 15 points per game for San Diego.
This takes serious NIL money to land transfers like that.
I have brought up UC Santa Barbara before, and it was the transfer portal for basketball and top tier baseball that caught my eye.
Viewership is the issue, and UC Santa Barbara averaged less than 2K in-person fans in 2023. 24-25 season opener, they had 3357 fans show up. Hundreds of fans show up to the baseball games despite being a really good baseball team.

ViAggie wrote: ↑

November 7th, 2024, 11:49 am

Not to make this sandboxy and that's not my intent, but based on recent events I'm guessing that even if the DOJ was ready to slap down USU, that will likely change soon, especially considering that our Gov. is an Aggie and I believe that his change of tone last summer has likely found a way to get some political favors in DC (one has to think).

Thank God you didn't make this sandboxy.

SLB wrote: ↑

November 13th, 2024, 9:18 pm

Looking at UC Santa Barbara's basketball and baseball, UC Santa Barbara wants to move up in the college sports world.
Their college basketball team's starting lineup include a SEC transfer, Swenson from Stetson, and a transfer from Wichita State
All of them played well over 20 minutes per game. One of UCSB's backups scored over 15 points per game for San Diego.
This takes serious NIL money to land transfers like that.
I have brought up UC Santa Barbara before, and it was the transfer portal for basketball and top tier baseball that caught my eye.
Viewership is the issue, and UC Santa Barbara averaged less than 2K in-person fans in 2023. 24-25 season opener, they had 3357 fans show up. Hundreds of fans show up to the baseball games despite being a really good baseball team.

UC Santa Barbara has one of the most senic campuses in the country and there's A LOT of wealth in that area. If they ever decided to get serious about athletics and restarted football they could make up some ground quick. A Pac12 invite wouldn't be far fetched.

For example, if Santa Barbara was making the push Sac State is now, they'd be in.

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑

November 13th, 2024, 10:54 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

November 13th, 2024, 9:18 pm

Looking at UC Santa Barbara's basketball and baseball, UC Santa Barbara wants to move up in the college sports world.
Their college basketball team's starting lineup include a SEC transfer, Swenson from Stetson, and a transfer from Wichita State
All of them played well over 20 minutes per game. One of UCSB's backups scored over 15 points per game for San Diego.
This takes serious NIL money to land transfers like that.
I have brought up UC Santa Barbara before, and it was the transfer portal for basketball and top tier baseball that caught my eye.
Viewership is the issue, and UC Santa Barbara averaged less than 2K in-person fans in 2023. 24-25 season opener, they had 3357 fans show up. Hundreds of fans show up to the baseball games despite being a really good baseball team.

UC Santa Barbara has one of the most senic campuses in the country and there's A LOT of wealth in that area. If they ever decided to get serious about athletics and restarted football they could make up some ground quick. A Pac12 invite wouldn't be far fetched.

For example, if Santa Barbara was making the push Sac State is now, they'd be in.

In the background, there is some kind of big push at Santa Barbara.
They got some big-time transfers in this last offseason, and this requires NIL money. The PAC should have Santa Barbara on a short list.
Look at this roster
https://ucsbgauchos.com/sports/mbball/roster

All but one are transfers

SLB wrote: ↑

November 13th, 2024, 11:04 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑

November 13th, 2024, 10:54 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

November 13th, 2024, 9:18 pm

Looking at UC Santa Barbara's basketball and baseball, UC Santa Barbara wants to move up in the college sports world.
Their college basketball team's starting lineup include a SEC transfer, Swenson from Stetson, and a transfer from Wichita State
All of them played well over 20 minutes per game. One of UCSB's backups scored over 15 points per game for San Diego.
This takes serious NIL money to land transfers like that.
I have brought up UC Santa Barbara before, and it was the transfer portal for basketball and top tier baseball that caught my eye.
Viewership is the issue, and UC Santa Barbara averaged less than 2K in-person fans in 2023. 24-25 season opener, they had 3357 fans show up. Hundreds of fans show up to the baseball games despite being a really good baseball team.

UC Santa Barbara has one of the most senic campuses in the country and there's A LOT of wealth in that area. If they ever decided to get serious about athletics and restarted football they could make up some ground quick. A Pac12 invite wouldn't be far fetched.

For example, if Santa Barbara was making the push Sac State is now, they'd be in.

In the background, there is some kind of big push at Santa Barbara.
They got some big-time transfers in this last offseason, and this requires NIL money. The PAC should have Santa Barbara on a short list.
Look at this roster
https://ucsbgauchos.com/sports/mbball/roster

All but one are transfers

Huh?????

Not many realize that UCSB used to have an FB team, I think back in the 20s or something. The biggest problem with UCSB is that they really don't have a good built-in fan base. Santa Barbara area is not very large, and there's not a lot of places to pull from, it's not really close enough to LA to get any attendance, and it's nowhere near the bay area. I honestly think that Cal Poly SLO generates more of a fan base/following than SB does. SB does have its own TV market, though... they have one station, LOL. KEYT3, the best thing about it, was that they reported local HS football scores. Otherwise, there was no reason to ever watch it.

That and it's not really easy to get to. SB has a commercial airport (right next to the campus, actually), but there are not a lot of flights in and out of it. Otherwise you are flying to LA/Burbank and taking a nice, slow 2-hr drive up the coast on the 101. Very scenic.

I will admit that the Thunder Dome is a great place to see a basketball game (I saw my very first real rock concert at this venue when I was in the 7th grade). If the Ags ever play there again, it would be worth going to.

I guess there's not as much "bad blood" between the PAC and MWC as some people said there would be. CSU and Wyoming announced a series from 2028-35. https://fbschedules.com/colorado-state- ... ough-2035/