Imakeitrain wrote:

breadysmith wrote: ↑

October 8th, 2024, 5:26 pm

I’m a little willing to consider Jay Hill…look at what he has done with the zoobs defense? They are winning games because of that D and they don’t have remarkable talent either. I’ve changed my tune on him as of late and think he may be a good option and a big departure from what we’ve been trying to do which I’d like to see happen.


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Is he healthy enough to take on a head job? I think seeing him get to the level of intensity a head job needs would give me a heart attack

It’s more genetics than stress of the job for Jay. He will have heart problems regardless of his job.


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EngineeringAggie wrote:

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

October 8th, 2024, 7:37 pm

breadysmith wrote: ↑

October 8th, 2024, 5:26 pm

I’m a little willing to consider Jay Hill…look at what he has done with the zoobs defense? They are winning games because of that D and they don’t have remarkable talent either. I’ve changed my tune on him as of late and think he may be a good option and a big departure from what we’ve been trying to do which I’d like to see happen.


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I really am coming around to Hill. I think the reason people don't like him is because he is local so he is viewed as the easy answer. But if there was a coach that turned northern Colorado into a powerhouse FCS school then left that to become a DC at Nebraska and all the sudden made Nebraska a top 10 team. Everyone would be all over hiring that guy.

You want a guy that was super successful as a head coach at a lower Division 1 School? Check.

You want someone that has P4 experience? Check.

You want someone that would run a clean program? Check.

What else do people want?

It also takes an important piece from the school down south.

Exactly!! Another reason I find it so appealing. Let’s hire him right now and torpedo their season.


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Here’s my dream team:
Chris Peterson - HC
Matt Wells - OC
Dave Aranda - DC

JFW!

breadysmith wrote: ↑

October 8th, 2024, 10:20 pm

EngineeringAggie wrote:

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

October 8th, 2024, 7:37 pm

breadysmith wrote: ↑

October 8th, 2024, 5:26 pm

I’m a little willing to consider Jay Hill…look at what he has done with the zoobs defense? They are winning games because of that D and they don’t have remarkable talent either. I’ve changed my tune on him as of late and think he may be a good option and a big departure from what we’ve been trying to do which I’d like to see happen.


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I really am coming around to Hill. I think the reason people don't like him is because he is local so he is viewed as the easy answer. But if there was a coach that turned northern Colorado into a powerhouse FCS school then left that to become a DC at Nebraska and all the sudden made Nebraska a top 10 team. Everyone would be all over hiring that guy.

You want a guy that was super successful as a head coach at a lower Division 1 School? Check.

You want someone that has P4 experience? Check.

You want someone that would run a clean program? Check.

What else do people want?

It also takes an important piece from the school down south.

Exactly!! Another reason I find it so appealing. Let’s hire him right now and torpedo their season.


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Plus, he is a great recruiter and has very strong ties to coaches in Utah.

The obsession with Aranda is odd to me. IMO he's a perfect example of the Peter Principle and belongs as a defensive coordinator.

He doesn't seem to have head coaching qualities and in fact his defense at Baylor isn't good. His record is 25-29 as a head coach at Baylor. A retread of this low energy guy who spent one season in Logan 12 years ago is emphatically NOT the answer IMO.

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 6:55 am

The obsession with Aranda is odd to me. IMO he's a perfect example of the Peter Principle and belongs as a defensive coordinator.

He doesn't seem to have head coaching qualities and in fact his defense at Baylor isn't good. His record is 25-29 as a head coach at Baylor. A retread of this low energy guy who spent one season in Logan 12 years ago is emphatically NOT the answer IMO.

Amen Roy.

On the other hand Jay Hill is 68-39 and 10 of those losses came in his first season. He turned Weber around by his second year and within 4 years they were competing in playoffs.

Elkaggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:16 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 6:55 am

The obsession with Aranda is odd to me. IMO he's a perfect example of the Peter Principle and belongs as a defensive coordinator.

He doesn't seem to have head coaching qualities and in fact his defense at Baylor isn't good. His record is 25-29 as a head coach at Baylor. A retread of this low energy guy who spent one season in Logan 12 years ago is emphatically NOT the answer IMO.

Amen Roy.

On the other hand Jay Hill is 68-39 and 10 of those losses came in his first season. He turned Weber around by his second year and within 4 years they were competing in playoffs.

Jay Hill is my first pick for this very reason. He’s an excellent coach and an excellent human being. Exactly what our program needs. That being said I wonder if how Utah State fired Jerry means that ship has sailed. And if so, so be it.

But my current pool of Candidates to go after are

1-Jay Hill
2-Bryan Harsin
3-Bronco Mendenhall
4- Ken N.
5- Jason Candle
6- Tim Alvin
7- Jason Eck
8- Bobby Hauck

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:42 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:16 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 6:55 am

The obsession with Aranda is odd to me. IMO he's a perfect example of the Peter Principle and belongs as a defensive coordinator.

He doesn't seem to have head coaching qualities and in fact his defense at Baylor isn't good. His record is 25-29 as a head coach at Baylor. A retread of this low energy guy who spent one season in Logan 12 years ago is emphatically NOT the answer IMO.

Amen Roy.

On the other hand Jay Hill is 68-39 and 10 of those losses came in his first season. He turned Weber around by his second year and within 4 years they were competing in playoffs.

Jay Hill is my first pick for this very reason. He’s an excellent coach and an excellent human being. Exactly what our program needs. That being said I wonder if how Utah State fired Jerry means that ship has sailed. And if so, so be it.

But my current pool of Candidates to go after are

1-Jay Hill
2-Bryan Harsin
3-Bronco Mendenhall
4- Ken N.
5- Jason Candle
6- Tim Alvin
7- Jason Eck
8- Bobby Hauck

The other side of USU fired Bovee is, Jay Hill goy his start in coaching under Urban Meyer at Utah. My guess is Sabau relies on her old friend Urban for input for the hire.

Sabau MAY be more likely to hire Hill than any of the ADs before her.

I’ll be honest, I know we need to actually win, but I’m still behind giving Dreiling a year or two. I really like listening to him in interviews. I think he’s got the right attitude and personality. I want to see how the remainder of the season works out before final judgement. If this team can make it to a bowl game, he deserves a shot I think.

But if we have the funds to get a more promising coach, that’s great too. Love the idea of Jay Hill, I always have.

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:54 am

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:42 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:16 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 6:55 am

The obsession with Aranda is odd to me. IMO he's a perfect example of the Peter Principle and belongs as a defensive coordinator.

He doesn't seem to have head coaching qualities and in fact his defense at Baylor isn't good. His record is 25-29 as a head coach at Baylor. A retread of this low energy guy who spent one season in Logan 12 years ago is emphatically NOT the answer IMO.

Amen Roy.

On the other hand Jay Hill is 68-39 and 10 of those losses came in his first season. He turned Weber around by his second year and within 4 years they were competing in playoffs.

Jay Hill is my first pick for this very reason. He’s an excellent coach and an excellent human being. Exactly what our program needs. That being said I wonder if how Utah State fired Jerry means that ship has sailed. And if so, so be it.

But my current pool of Candidates to go after are

1-Jay Hill
2-Bryan Harsin
3-Bronco Mendenhall
4- Ken N.
5- Jason Candle
6- Tim Alvin
7- Jason Eck
8- Bobby Hauck

The other side of USU fired Bovee is, Jay Hill goy his start in coaching under Urban Meyer at Utah. My guess is Sabau relies on her old friend Urban for input for the hire.

Sabau MAY be more likely to hire Hill than any of the ADs before her.

I think Jay Hill would be a great head coach but I will be pleasantly surprised if he would come to USU, even if we went after him hard. I dont see this as a place he wants to be. His roots are very deep with both the BYU and Utah staffs, he is the heir apparent at BYU, he is making great money now (more than we have ever paid a head coach to date) and will likely get a good bump this year. He has lots of options.
Maybe with the new conference and our supposed huge increase in the coaching budget would get his attention, but from knowing someone who played for him when he was a position coach at Utah, I dont think Hill has ever thought of Logan as a place he wanted to be. The notion that we passed him over and he wanted to be here is people making stuff up.

gomretat wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 9:04 am

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:54 am

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:42 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:16 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 6:55 am

The obsession with Aranda is odd to me. IMO he's a perfect example of the Peter Principle and belongs as a defensive coordinator.

He doesn't seem to have head coaching qualities and in fact his defense at Baylor isn't good. His record is 25-29 as a head coach at Baylor. A retread of this low energy guy who spent one season in Logan 12 years ago is emphatically NOT the answer IMO.

Amen Roy.

On the other hand Jay Hill is 68-39 and 10 of those losses came in his first season. He turned Weber around by his second year and within 4 years they were competing in playoffs.

Jay Hill is my first pick for this very reason. He’s an excellent coach and an excellent human being. Exactly what our program needs. That being said I wonder if how Utah State fired Jerry means that ship has sailed. And if so, so be it.

But my current pool of Candidates to go after are

1-Jay Hill
2-Bryan Harsin
3-Bronco Mendenhall
4- Ken N.
5- Jason Candle
6- Tim Alvin
7- Jason Eck
8- Bobby Hauck

The other side of USU fired Bovee is, Jay Hill goy his start in coaching under Urban Meyer at Utah. My guess is Sabau relies on her old friend Urban for input for the hire.

Sabau MAY be more likely to hire Hill than any of the ADs before her.

I think Jay Hill would be a great head coach but I will be pleasantly surprised if he would come to USU, even if we went after him hard. I dont see this as a place he wants to be. His roots are very deep with both the BYU and Utah staffs, he is the heir apparent at BYU, he is making great money now (more than we have ever paid a head coach to date) and will likely get a good bump this year. He has lots of options.

He is the heir apparent for a guy that will likely be coaching at BYU for 20 more years. Scalley is getting the Utah job when Whitt retires. If he wants to be a head coach, USU might be his option. Unless he is willing to leave the state, which he probably has already had multiple opportunities to do and has not done it.

My guess is USU pays more than we have ever paid this time around with the PAC12 coming up.

gomretat wrote:

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:54 am

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:42 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:16 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 6:55 am

The obsession with Aranda is odd to me. IMO he's a perfect example of the Peter Principle and belongs as a defensive coordinator.

He doesn't seem to have head coaching qualities and in fact his defense at Baylor isn't good. His record is 25-29 as a head coach at Baylor. A retread of this low energy guy who spent one season in Logan 12 years ago is emphatically NOT the answer IMO.

Amen Roy.

On the other hand Jay Hill is 68-39 and 10 of those losses came in his first season. He turned Weber around by his second year and within 4 years they were competing in playoffs.

Jay Hill is my first pick for this very reason. He’s an excellent coach and an excellent human being. Exactly what our program needs. That being said I wonder if how Utah State fired Jerry means that ship has sailed. And if so, so be it.

But my current pool of Candidates to go after are

1-Jay Hill
2-Bryan Harsin
3-Bronco Mendenhall
4- Ken N.
5- Jason Candle
6- Tim Alvin
7- Jason Eck
8- Bobby Hauck

The other side of USU fired Bovee is, Jay Hill goy his start in coaching under Urban Meyer at Utah. My guess is Sabau relies on her old friend Urban for input for the hire.

Sabau MAY be more likely to hire Hill than any of the ADs before her.

I think Jay Hill would be a great head coach but I will be pleasantly surprised if he would come to USU, even if we went after him hard. I dont see this as a place he wants to be. His roots are very deep with both the BYU and Utah staffs, he is the heir apparent at BYU, he is making great money now (more than we have ever paid a head coach to date) and will likely get a good bump this year. He has lots of options.
Maybe with the new conference and our supposed huge increase in the coaching budget would get his attention, but from knowing someone who played for him when he was a position coach at Utah, I dont think Hill has ever thought of Logan as a place he wanted to be. The notion that we passed him over and he wanted to be here is people making stuff up.

He really wanted the job when Blake was hired. (He even interviewed with Hartwell) He’s a “state of Utah” guy. Sitake isn’t going anywhere so I don’t see him waiting around to be the next guy there.

That may have changed now and he was good friends with Bovee but at one time he wanted to be in Logan.

His wife is from Idaho. Logan would be a great fit for him.


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2004AG wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 9:21 am

gomretat wrote:

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:54 am

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:42 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:16 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 6:55 am

The obsession with Aranda is odd to me. IMO he's a perfect example of the Peter Principle and belongs as a defensive coordinator.

He doesn't seem to have head coaching qualities and in fact his defense at Baylor isn't good. His record is 25-29 as a head coach at Baylor. A retread of this low energy guy who spent one season in Logan 12 years ago is emphatically NOT the answer IMO.

Amen Roy.

On the other hand Jay Hill is 68-39 and 10 of those losses came in his first season. He turned Weber around by his second year and within 4 years they were competing in playoffs.

Jay Hill is my first pick for this very reason. He’s an excellent coach and an excellent human being. Exactly what our program needs. That being said I wonder if how Utah State fired Jerry means that ship has sailed. And if so, so be it.

But my current pool of Candidates to go after are

1-Jay Hill
2-Bryan Harsin
3-Bronco Mendenhall
4- Ken N.
5- Jason Candle
6- Tim Alvin
7- Jason Eck
8- Bobby Hauck

The other side of USU fired Bovee is, Jay Hill goy his start in coaching under Urban Meyer at Utah. My guess is Sabau relies on her old friend Urban for input for the hire.

Sabau MAY be more likely to hire Hill than any of the ADs before her.

I think Jay Hill would be a great head coach but I will be pleasantly surprised if he would come to USU, even if we went after him hard. I dont see this as a place he wants to be. His roots are very deep with both the BYU and Utah staffs, he is the heir apparent at BYU, he is making great money now (more than we have ever paid a head coach to date) and will likely get a good bump this year. He has lots of options.
Maybe with the new conference and our supposed huge increase in the coaching budget would get his attention, but from knowing someone who played for him when he was a position coach at Utah, I dont think Hill has ever thought of Logan as a place he wanted to be. The notion that we passed him over and he wanted to be here is people making stuff up.

He really wanted the job when Blake was hired. (He even interviewed with Hartwell) He’s a “state of Utah” guy. Sitake isn’t going anywhere so I don’t see him waiting around to be the next guy there.

That may have changed now and he was good friends with Bovee but at one time he wanted to be in Logan.

His wife is from Idaho. Logan would be a great fit for him.


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Interviewed - but JH never, ever considered him. I hope he isn’t still harboring ill will for not being considered in the past and the fact that Bovee is gone.

If he really wants to be a head coach then money may not be the deciding factor.

I still have hope but not a lot.

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:55 am

I’ll be honest, I know we need to actually win, but I’m still behind giving Dreiling a year or two. I really like listening to him in interviews. I think he’s got the right attitude and personality. I want to see how the remainder of the season works out before final judgement. If this team can make it to a bowl game, he deserves a shot I think.

But if we have the funds to get a more promising coach, that’s great too. Love the idea of Jay Hill, I always have.

If we weren’t going to the PAC, already behind the 8 ball, I would say sure. He’s a m awesome Guy. But the timing isn’t right, and we have absolutely zero time To waste. We cant risk
Giving him another year or two and repeating the current year.

Timing on this sucks for Dreiling. But he’s a smart defensive mind, and will find another Job.

GameFAQSAggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 9:07 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:55 am

I’ll be honest, I know we need to actually win, but I’m still behind giving Dreiling a year or two. I really like listening to him in interviews. I think he’s got the right attitude and personality. I want to see how the remainder of the season works out before final judgement. If this team can make it to a bowl game, he deserves a shot I think.

But if we have the funds to get a more promising coach, that’s great too. Love the idea of Jay Hill, I always have.

I realize it will be totally up to the next coach, but I think it would be nice to be able to keep him as DC

Similar to the point above, but a new Head Coach is going to want to pick his staff. Maybe Sabau could vouch for a specific OLine coach, or TEs coach, but ultimately it needs to be the Head Coaches decision. Occasionally an AD can force an existing coaches hand if there is a clear problem and the coach won’t fix it but that usually means the HC is about to be fired anyway.

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 9:10 am

He is the heir apparent for a guy that will likely be coaching at BYU for 20 more years. Scalley is getting the Utah job when Whitt retires. If he wants to be a head coach, USU might be his option. Unless he is willing to leave the state, which he probably has already had multiple opportunities to do and has not done it.

My guess is USU pays more than we have ever paid this time around with the PAC12 coming up.

He’s making close to a million as the DC at BYU, my guess is we at least give him a 50% raise and he’s back as the HC. My close friends played for him at Weber. He turned down New Mexico, UNLV and some Other small FBS programs in the mid-west. Didn’t want to leave Utah. He REALLY wanted the Utah State job for a long time. He applied a few times and was interviewed at least twice.

And he’s not going to sit and wait for Sitake to leave or get fired.

If anything himcoming here, makes it more likely To get the BYU job, if that’s what he ultimately wants. Sitake isn’t leaving. Unless he’s fired. And then if he’s fired it’s rare to hire a DC from the existing staff.


All in All, I hope he gives us another shot again because he’s exactly what our program needs right now. A compete culture shift. I’m sick of hiring outside of Utah just for the sake of doing it and overlooking some great candidates we have here.

I for one know Jay Hill wouldn’t accept our program becoming a sun belt program like Blake allowed.

Elkaggie wrote:

2004AG wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 9:21 am

gomretat wrote:

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:54 am

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:42 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:16 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 6:55 am

The obsession with Aranda is odd to me. IMO he's a perfect example of the Peter Principle and belongs as a defensive coordinator.

He doesn't seem to have head coaching qualities and in fact his defense at Baylor isn't good. His record is 25-29 as a head coach at Baylor. A retread of this low energy guy who spent one season in Logan 12 years ago is emphatically NOT the answer IMO.

Amen Roy.

On the other hand Jay Hill is 68-39 and 10 of those losses came in his first season. He turned Weber around by his second year and within 4 years they were competing in playoffs.

Jay Hill is my first pick for this very reason. He’s an excellent coach and an excellent human being. Exactly what our program needs. That being said I wonder if how Utah State fired Jerry means that ship has sailed. And if so, so be it.

But my current pool of Candidates to go after are

1-Jay Hill
2-Bryan Harsin
3-Bronco Mendenhall
4- Ken N.
5- Jason Candle
6- Tim Alvin
7- Jason Eck
8- Bobby Hauck

The other side of USU fired Bovee is, Jay Hill goy his start in coaching under Urban Meyer at Utah. My guess is Sabau relies on her old friend Urban for input for the hire.

Sabau MAY be more likely to hire Hill than any of the ADs before her.

I think Jay Hill would be a great head coach but I will be pleasantly surprised if he would come to USU, even if we went after him hard. I dont see this as a place he wants to be. His roots are very deep with both the BYU and Utah staffs, he is the heir apparent at BYU, he is making great money now (more than we have ever paid a head coach to date) and will likely get a good bump this year. He has lots of options.
Maybe with the new conference and our supposed huge increase in the coaching budget would get his attention, but from knowing someone who played for him when he was a position coach at Utah, I dont think Hill has ever thought of Logan as a place he wanted to be. The notion that we passed him over and he wanted to be here is people making stuff up.

He really wanted the job when Blake was hired. (He even interviewed with Hartwell) He’s a “state of Utah” guy. Sitake isn’t going anywhere so I don’t see him waiting around to be the next guy there.

That may have changed now and he was good friends with Bovee but at one time he wanted to be in Logan.

His wife is from Idaho. Logan would be a great fit for him.


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Interviewed - but JH never, ever considered him. I hope he isn’t still harboring ill will for not being considered in the past and the fact that Bovee is gone.

If he really wants to be a head coach then money may not be the deciding factor.

I still have hope but not a lot.

Correct.

I don’t think he was thrilled how that went down with Hartwell. I was just pointing out how he wanted the job. He might now want it now. But with JH gone, hopefully he still does.


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LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:54 am

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:42 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:16 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 6:55 am

The obsession with Aranda is odd to me. IMO he's a perfect example of the Peter Principle and belongs as a defensive coordinator.

He doesn't seem to have head coaching qualities and in fact his defense at Baylor isn't good. His record is 25-29 as a head coach at Baylor. A retread of this low energy guy who spent one season in Logan 12 years ago is emphatically NOT the answer IMO.

Amen Roy.

On the other hand Jay Hill is 68-39 and 10 of those losses came in his first season. He turned Weber around by his second year and within 4 years they were competing in playoffs.

Jay Hill is my first pick for this very reason. He’s an excellent coach and an excellent human being. Exactly what our program needs. That being said I wonder if how Utah State fired Jerry means that ship has sailed. And if so, so be it.

But my current pool of Candidates to go after are

1-Jay Hill
2-Bryan Harsin
3-Bronco Mendenhall
4- Ken N.
5- Jason Candle
6- Tim Alvin
7- Jason Eck
8- Bobby Hauck

The other side of USU fired Bovee is, Jay Hill goy his start in coaching under Urban Meyer at Utah. My guess is Sabau relies on her old friend Urban for input for the hire.

Sabau MAY be more likely to hire Hill than any of the ADs before her.

Yeah, in her quest to clean up the football program she should consult Urban Meyer. That will help.

gomretat wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 9:04 am

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:54 am

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:42 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:16 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 6:55 am

The obsession with Aranda is odd to me. IMO he's a perfect example of the Peter Principle and belongs as a defensive coordinator.

He doesn't seem to have head coaching qualities and in fact his defense at Baylor isn't good. His record is 25-29 as a head coach at Baylor. A retread of this low energy guy who spent one season in Logan 12 years ago is emphatically NOT the answer IMO.

Amen Roy.

On the other hand Jay Hill is 68-39 and 10 of those losses came in his first season. He turned Weber around by his second year and within 4 years they were competing in playoffs.

Jay Hill is my first pick for this very reason. He’s an excellent coach and an excellent human being. Exactly what our program needs. That being said I wonder if how Utah State fired Jerry means that ship has sailed. And if so, so be it.

But my current pool of Candidates to go after are

1-Jay Hill
2-Bryan Harsin
3-Bronco Mendenhall
4- Ken N.
5- Jason Candle
6- Tim Alvin
7- Jason Eck
8- Bobby Hauck

The other side of USU fired Bovee is, Jay Hill goy his start in coaching under Urban Meyer at Utah. My guess is Sabau relies on her old friend Urban for input for the hire.

Sabau MAY be more likely to hire Hill than any of the ADs before her.

I think Jay Hill would be a great head coach but I will be pleasantly surprised if he would come to USU, even if we went after him hard. I dont see this as a place he wants to be. His roots are very deep with both the BYU and Utah staffs, he is the heir apparent at BYU, he is making great money now (more than we have ever paid a head coach to date) and will likely get a good bump this year. He has lots of options.
Maybe with the new conference and our supposed huge increase in the coaching budget would get his attention, but from knowing someone who played for him when he was a position coach at Utah, I dont think Hill has ever thought of Logan as a place he wanted to be. The notion that we passed him over and he wanted to be here is people making stuff up.

According to Sitake, as recently as post-Blake firing, he does want the job here at USU and would take it if offered. BYU is doing what they can to help him get a head coaching position since that is what he wants. I would be very supportive of a Jay Hill hire. He has done really well at his last two stops and wants that job.

shoresy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 10:09 am

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:54 am

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:42 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:16 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 6:55 am

The obsession with Aranda is odd to me. IMO he's a perfect example of the Peter Principle and belongs as a defensive coordinator.

He doesn't seem to have head coaching qualities and in fact his defense at Baylor isn't good. His record is 25-29 as a head coach at Baylor. A retread of this low energy guy who spent one season in Logan 12 years ago is emphatically NOT the answer IMO.

Amen Roy.

On the other hand Jay Hill is 68-39 and 10 of those losses came in his first season. He turned Weber around by his second year and within 4 years they were competing in playoffs.

Jay Hill is my first pick for this very reason. He’s an excellent coach and an excellent human being. Exactly what our program needs. That being said I wonder if how Utah State fired Jerry means that ship has sailed. And if so, so be it.

But my current pool of Candidates to go after are

1-Jay Hill
2-Bryan Harsin
3-Bronco Mendenhall
4- Ken N.
5- Jason Candle
6- Tim Alvin
7- Jason Eck
8- Bobby Hauck

The other side of USU fired Bovee is, Jay Hill goy his start in coaching under Urban Meyer at Utah. My guess is Sabau relies on her old friend Urban for input for the hire.

Sabau MAY be more likely to hire Hill than any of the ADs before her.

Yeah, in her quest to clean up the football program she should consult Urban Meyer. That will help.

It's pretty well known that Urban Meyer gives his input on a lot of coaching hires around the country.

Sabau has had a working relationship with Meyer for a long time. You are nuts if you don't think Sabau is going to at least listen to his advice.

Consulting Meyer for a coaching hire is not the same as hiring Meyer. Esspecially if they guy they he suggests is Jay Hill, (who happened to be his GA 20 years ago).

Naw, the AD is gonna rip my heart out again.

If it’s a better hire, then great. But I think Jay Hill would be great and RETAINABLE. Every other coach it has been a pipe dream. Say what you want about Calhoun, nothing is tying him here, just like Sprinkle, Odom, Smith, GA, or any other successful coach besides MW. I thought MW was retainable being an alum, but obviously not. Jay Hill has already turned down bigger jobs outside of the state and probably will continue to do that. We could get him for 10+ years…

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 10:31 am

shoresy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 10:09 am

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:54 am

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:42 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:16 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 6:55 am

The obsession with Aranda is odd to me. IMO he's a perfect example of the Peter Principle and belongs as a defensive coordinator.

He doesn't seem to have head coaching qualities and in fact his defense at Baylor isn't good. His record is 25-29 as a head coach at Baylor. A retread of this low energy guy who spent one season in Logan 12 years ago is emphatically NOT the answer IMO.

Amen Roy.

On the other hand Jay Hill is 68-39 and 10 of those losses came in his first season. He turned Weber around by his second year and within 4 years they were competing in playoffs.

Jay Hill is my first pick for this very reason. He’s an excellent coach and an excellent human being. Exactly what our program needs. That being said I wonder if how Utah State fired Jerry means that ship has sailed. And if so, so be it.

But my current pool of Candidates to go after are

1-Jay Hill
2-Bryan Harsin
3-Bronco Mendenhall
4- Ken N.
5- Jason Candle
6- Tim Alvin
7- Jason Eck
8- Bobby Hauck

The other side of USU fired Bovee is, Jay Hill goy his start in coaching under Urban Meyer at Utah. My guess is Sabau relies on her old friend Urban for input for the hire.

Sabau MAY be more likely to hire Hill than any of the ADs before her.

Yeah, in her quest to clean up the football program she should consult Urban Meyer. That will help.

It's pretty well known that Urban Meyer gives his input on a lot of coaching hires around the country.

Sabau has had a working relationship with Meyer for a long time. You are nuts if you don't think Sabau is going to at least listen to his advice.

Consulting Meyer for a coaching hire is not the same as hiring Meyer. Esspecially if they guy they he suggests is Jay Hill, (who happened to be his GA 20 years ago).

Wasn't Urban Meyer the guy who pushed CSU to hire Steve Addazio?

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:55 am

I’ll be honest, I know we need to actually win, but I’m still behind giving Dreiling a year or two. I really like listening to him in interviews. I think he’s got the right attitude and personality. I want to see how the remainder of the season works out before final judgement. If this team can make it to a bowl game, he deserves a shot I think.

But if we have the funds to get a more promising coach, that’s great too. Love the idea of Jay Hill, I always have.

He was put in a tough situation but don't think we can risk moving forward with him as the head coach. We need someone who has proven themself as a head coach, IMO.

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 10:33 am

Naw, the AD is gonna rip my heart out again.

If it’s a better hire, then great. But I think Jay Hill would be great and RETAINABLE. Every other coach it has been a pipe dream. Say what you want about Calhoun, nothing is tying him here, just like Sprinkle, Odom, Smith, GA, or any other successful coach besides MW. I thought MW was retainable being an alum, but obviously not. Jay Hill has already turned down bigger jobs outside of the state and probably will continue to do that. We could get him for 10+ years…

Agree, the program needs a solid leader who runs a clean program. In addition stability in the program is a huge portion. Look at Utah and BYU both have had a lot of continuity and while BYU's success is not as pronounced as Utah's they are catching up. Hill would be a very solid coach and could bring the stability that USU needs right now. A flash in the pan hire that leaves after 2-3 years is not necessarily what the program needs right now, IMO.

shoresy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 10:37 am

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 10:31 am

shoresy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 10:09 am

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:54 am

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:42 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:16 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 6:55 am

The obsession with Aranda is odd to me. IMO he's a perfect example of the Peter Principle and belongs as a defensive coordinator.

He doesn't seem to have head coaching qualities and in fact his defense at Baylor isn't good. His record is 25-29 as a head coach at Baylor. A retread of this low energy guy who spent one season in Logan 12 years ago is emphatically NOT the answer IMO.

Amen Roy.

On the other hand Jay Hill is 68-39 and 10 of those losses came in his first season. He turned Weber around by his second year and within 4 years they were competing in playoffs.

Jay Hill is my first pick for this very reason. He’s an excellent coach and an excellent human being. Exactly what our program needs. That being said I wonder if how Utah State fired Jerry means that ship has sailed. And if so, so be it.

But my current pool of Candidates to go after are

1-Jay Hill
2-Bryan Harsin
3-Bronco Mendenhall
4- Ken N.
5- Jason Candle
6- Tim Alvin
7- Jason Eck
8- Bobby Hauck

The other side of USU fired Bovee is, Jay Hill goy his start in coaching under Urban Meyer at Utah. My guess is Sabau relies on her old friend Urban for input for the hire.

Sabau MAY be more likely to hire Hill than any of the ADs before her.

Yeah, in her quest to clean up the football program she should consult Urban Meyer. That will help.

It's pretty well known that Urban Meyer gives his input on a lot of coaching hires around the country.

Sabau has had a working relationship with Meyer for a long time. You are nuts if you don't think Sabau is going to at least listen to his advice.

Consulting Meyer for a coaching hire is not the same as hiring Meyer. Esspecially if they guy they he suggests is Jay Hill, (who happened to be his GA 20 years ago).

Wasn't Urban Meyer the guy who pushed CSU to hire Steve Addazio?

So if Sabau interviews Jay Hill, likes him, and calls his former boss and her personal friend to see what he thinks and Urban says, yes you should hire Jay Hill he will do a great job. That should disqualify Jay Hill because A) Meyer was caught with a hooked at a club and B) Meyer told CSU to hire Addazio, which was a bad hire?

Jay Hill is one of very few candidates that could reasonably be at USU for a long time. There are not many candidates you can say that about. He is a family man through and through and has roots here. It would take a rare opportunity for him to leave the Intermountain West.

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 10:44 am

shoresy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 10:37 am

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 10:31 am

shoresy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 10:09 am

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:54 am

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:42 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:16 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 6:55 am

The obsession with Aranda is odd to me. IMO he's a perfect example of the Peter Principle and belongs as a defensive coordinator.

He doesn't seem to have head coaching qualities and in fact his defense at Baylor isn't good. His record is 25-29 as a head coach at Baylor. A retread of this low energy guy who spent one season in Logan 12 years ago is emphatically NOT the answer IMO.

Amen Roy.

On the other hand Jay Hill is 68-39 and 10 of those losses came in his first season. He turned Weber around by his second year and within 4 years they were competing in playoffs.

Jay Hill is my first pick for this very reason. He’s an excellent coach and an excellent human being. Exactly what our program needs. That being said I wonder if how Utah State fired Jerry means that ship has sailed. And if so, so be it.

But my current pool of Candidates to go after are

1-Jay Hill
2-Bryan Harsin
3-Bronco Mendenhall
4- Ken N.
5- Jason Candle
6- Tim Alvin
7- Jason Eck
8- Bobby Hauck

The other side of USU fired Bovee is, Jay Hill goy his start in coaching under Urban Meyer at Utah. My guess is Sabau relies on her old friend Urban for input for the hire.

Sabau MAY be more likely to hire Hill than any of the ADs before her.

Yeah, in her quest to clean up the football program she should consult Urban Meyer. That will help.

It's pretty well known that Urban Meyer gives his input on a lot of coaching hires around the country.

Sabau has had a working relationship with Meyer for a long time. You are nuts if you don't think Sabau is going to at least listen to his advice.

Consulting Meyer for a coaching hire is not the same as hiring Meyer. Esspecially if they guy they he suggests is Jay Hill, (who happened to be his GA 20 years ago).

Wasn't Urban Meyer the guy who pushed CSU to hire Steve Addazio?

So if Sabau interviews Jay Hill, likes him, and calls his former boss and her personal friend to see what he thinks and Urban says, yes you should hire Jay Hill he will do a great job. That should disqualify Jay Hill because A) Meyer was caught with a hooked at a club and B) Meyer told CSU to hire Addazio, which was a bad hire?

Lol I'm just pushing back on the whole "Sabau is besties with Urban Meyer, the football god" thing. Because 1. Urban Meyer is a POS who has made several very questionable football-related decisions and 2. It's a pretty major leap to assume they're "personal friends" unless you know something I don't.

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:42 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 8:16 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 6:55 am

The obsession with Aranda is odd to me. IMO he's a perfect example of the Peter Principle and belongs as a defensive coordinator.

He doesn't seem to have head coaching qualities and in fact his defense at Baylor isn't good. His record is 25-29 as a head coach at Baylor. A retread of this low energy guy who spent one season in Logan 12 years ago is emphatically NOT the answer IMO.

Amen Roy.

On the other hand Jay Hill is 68-39 and 10 of those losses came in his first season. He turned Weber around by his second year and within 4 years they were competing in playoffs.

Jay Hill is my first pick for this very reason. He’s an excellent coach and an excellent human being. Exactly what our program needs. That being said I wonder if how Utah State fired Jerry means that ship has sailed. And if so, so be it.

But my current pool of Candidates to go after are

1-Jay Hill
2-Bryan Harsin
3-Bronco Mendenhall
4- Ken N.
5- Jason Candle
6- Tim Alvin
7- Jason Eck
8- Bobby Hauck

I like the names except for Bronco and Ken N. No thank you to either of those two guys.

I will never understand the collective boner our fan base has for Jay Hill. He is mid. Thats it. We can pull so much better than him.

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 11:23 am

I will never understand the collective boner our fan base has for Jay Hill. He is mid. Thats it. We can pull so much better than him.

I mean, look at at byu is doing right now. Talk to anyone around that program and they all give most the credit to Jay Hill. Everything changed for them when he got there and started implementing things.

Look at what Weber did with Hill too. In addition to their overall success, a Jay Hill led Weber team came into USU and absolutely kicked our butts.

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 11:23 am

I will never understand the collective boner our fan base has for Jay Hill. He is mid. Thats it. We can pull so much better than him.

Why do you say he is “mid”? Genuinely curious. What he did at Weber was pretty impressive with very few resources. He has turned around a BYU defense that was pretty lousy the last couple of years. That defense is the reason they are 5-0 this year.

I’m not saying to go out and immediately hire Hill, but I also would give him more credit than just “mid” as a coach.

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 11:25 am

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 11:23 am

I will never understand the collective boner our fan base has for Jay Hill. He is mid. Thats it. We can pull so much better than him.

I mean, look at at byu is doing right now. Talk to anyone around that program and they all give most the credit to Jay Hill. Everything changed for them when he got there and started implementing things.

Look at what Weber did with Hill too. In addition to their overall success, a Jay Hill led Weber team came into USU and absolutely kicked our butts.

Again, if he had done what he did at any other FCS school and P4 school, everyone would be salivating over him.

But because Weber is 45 minutes from Logan and byu is... well... byu... people don't like him.

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 11:34 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 11:25 am

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 11:23 am

I will never understand the collective boner our fan base has for Jay Hill. He is mid. Thats it. We can pull so much better than him.

I mean, look at at byu is doing right now. Talk to anyone around that program and they all give most the credit to Jay Hill. Everything changed for them when he got there and started implementing things.

Look at what Weber did with Hill too. In addition to their overall success, a Jay Hill led Weber team came into USU and absolutely kicked our butts.

Again, if he had done what he did at any other FCS school and P4 school, everyone would be salivating over him.

But because Weber is 45 minutes from Logan and byu is... well... byu... people don't like him.

Graig Bohl was far more successful than Jay Hill at the FCS level. So is/was Bobby Hauck.... Both were mid FBS coaches.

Please no Bronco! He is a good football coach but his Interviews at BYU made me nauseous.

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 11:37 am

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 11:34 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 11:25 am

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 11:23 am

I will never understand the collective boner our fan base has for Jay Hill. He is mid. Thats it. We can pull so much better than him.

I mean, look at at byu is doing right now. Talk to anyone around that program and they all give most the credit to Jay Hill. Everything changed for them when he got there and started implementing things.

Look at what Weber did with Hill too. In addition to their overall success, a Jay Hill led Weber team came into USU and absolutely kicked our butts.

Again, if he had done what he did at any other FCS school and P4 school, everyone would be salivating over him.

But because Weber is 45 minutes from Logan and byu is... well... byu... people don't like him.

Graig Bohl was far more successful than Jay Hill at the FCS level. So is/was Bobby Hauck.... Both were mid FBS coaches.

FCS Records
Jay Hill - 68 - 39 3 ties for conference champ 1 out right
Craig Bohl - 104-32 1 tie for conference champ 3 out right - 3 National Titles
Bobby Hauck - 131- 37 4 ties for conference champ 4 out right



There is nothing special about Jay Hill. He is Mid

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 11:37 am

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 11:34 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 11:25 am

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑

October 9th, 2024, 11:23 am

I will never understand the collective boner our fan base has for Jay Hill. He is mid. Thats it. We can pull so much better than him.

I mean, look at at byu is doing right now. Talk to anyone around that program and they all give most the credit to Jay Hill. Everything changed for them when he got there and started implementing things.

Look at what Weber did with Hill too. In addition to their overall success, a Jay Hill led Weber team came into USU and absolutely kicked our butts.

Again, if he had done what he did at any other FCS school and P4 school, everyone would be salivating over him.

But because Weber is 45 minutes from Logan and byu is... well... byu... people don't like him.

Graig Bohl was far more successful than Jay Hill at the FCS level. So is/was Bobby Hauck.... Both were mid FBS coaches.

Yeah, Craig Bohl was awesome for Wyoming. He took a perennial cupcake and turned them into a perennial bowl team that competed for conference championships. Hlno coach is going to take Wyoming and make them better than they were under Bohl.

Hauck never was a Coordinator at a P5 school. And was also the coach at Montana that has always been and probably always will be a FCS power regardless of who is coaching there.

Hill took a crappy Weber program and turned them into a FCS power. And a crappy BYU defense and made them great.