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I am being told that the "upper tier" football schools have refused to enter into a scheduling agreement with Oregon State and Washington State. They believe that both schools should join the conference or go-it-alone. No in-between.
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Love it, they either do a full merger or find another conference to join.
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Which are the "upper tier" football schools?
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I don't like the sound of this when I hear "upper tier." Why isn't the entire conference sticking to it's guns? I get that if the "UT" schools refuse to play ball, that only hurts the PAC2, but why aren't the other schools joining the ranks? If we all say it's all or nothing, the PAC2 is screwed.
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Probably cause they only wanted the alliance with the upper tier.ViAggie wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 10:29 amI don't like the sound of this when I hear "upper tier." Why isn't the entire conference sticking to it's guns? I get that if the "UT" schools refuse to play ball, that only hurts the PAC2, but why aren't the other schools joining the ranks? If we all say it's all or nothing, the PAC2 is screwed.
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That really surprises me, I thought we'd have a scheduling agreement for a year or two before a merger.
I wonder if all the legal/financial things could be settled in time for a merger that soon.
I wonder if all the legal/financial things could be settled in time for a merger that soon.
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Makes sense to me. Use the leverage we have. They're holding out hoping for a better offer to come along. No point us helping them if we get little out of it. BYU played the MW for years. No need to repeat
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Look at the standings. That will tell you. We’re definitely included in that
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Yeah, either join us or go pound sand.
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So "upper tier football schools" are the top 8?Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 11:06 amLook at the standings. That will tell you. We’re definitely included in that

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ybu needed those games to fill their schedule because they decided to go indy. The PAC2 desperately needs conference mates.
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I should’ve added over the last decade.AGinNEIowa wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 11:31 amSo "upper tier football schools" are the top 8?Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 11:06 amLook at the standings. That will tell you. We’re definitely included in that
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Go look at who is has been in the top half basically the entire time.
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This is the way the "upper tier" tells the rest of the conference "we are sticking together."GameFAQSAggie wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 10:33 amProbably cause they only wanted the alliance with the upper tier.ViAggie wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 10:29 amI don't like the sound of this when I hear "upper tier." Why isn't the entire conference sticking to it's guns? I get that if the "UT" schools refuse to play ball, that only hurts the PAC2, but why aren't the other schools joining the ranks? If we all say it's all or nothing, the PAC2 is screwed.
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Who is the upper tier tho?aggies22 wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 12:15 pmThis is the way the "upper tier" tells the rest of the conference "we are sticking together."GameFAQSAggie wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 10:33 amProbably cause they only wanted the alliance with the upper tier.ViAggie wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 10:29 amI don't like the sound of this when I hear "upper tier." Why isn't the entire conference sticking to it's guns? I get that if the "UT" schools refuse to play ball, that only hurts the PAC2, but why aren't the other schools joining the ranks? If we all say it's all or nothing, the PAC2 is screwed.
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I didn't get specifics. I think it would be safe to include Air Force, boise state, and San Diego State though.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 12:40 pmWho is the upper tier tho?aggies22 wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 12:15 pmThis is the way the "upper tier" tells the rest of the conference "we are sticking together."GameFAQSAggie wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 10:33 amProbably cause they only wanted the alliance with the upper tier.ViAggie wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 10:29 amI don't like the sound of this when I hear "upper tier." Why isn't the entire conference sticking to it's guns? I get that if the "UT" schools refuse to play ball, that only hurts the PAC2, but why aren't the other schools joining the ranks? If we all say it's all or nothing, the PAC2 is screwed.
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Add in USU and Fresno St. and you have every program in the conference that:aggies22 wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 12:41 pmI didn't get specifics. I think it would be safe to include Air Force, boise state, and San Diego State though.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 12:40 pmWho is the upper tier tho?aggies22 wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 12:15 pmThis is the way the "upper tier" tells the rest of the conference "we are sticking together."GameFAQSAggie wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 10:33 amProbably cause they only wanted the alliance with the upper tier.ViAggie wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 10:29 amI don't like the sound of this when I hear "upper tier." Why isn't the entire conference sticking to it's guns? I get that if the "UT" schools refuse to play ball, that only hurts the PAC2, but why aren't the other schools joining the ranks? If we all say it's all or nothing, the PAC2 is screwed.
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Good for them and/or us. I agree with that. The conference shouldn't keep them afloat while they look for somewhere else to go. That's like saving somebody trying to kill you from drowning only to have them kill you as soon as you pull them from the water.
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I’m glad there is no offer to help them out. I’m surprised it’s the top teams and not the bottom. Washington State and Oregon state would have some unhappy fans and staff in the Mountain West, but welcome to the club where everyone else would also like to move into a better conference. A scheduling agreement would allow for time to create the best of the rest conference so many people are clamoring for. Absolutely no reason to give them time create another option that would allow them to save some face.
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I suspect the “upper tier” has little to do with wins and losses and bowl appearances but relates to TV eyeballs, budget, and attendance.Aglicious wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 12:52 pmAdd in USU and Fresno St. and you have every program in the conference that:aggies22 wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 12:41 pmI didn't get specifics. I think it would be safe to include Air Force, boise state, and San Diego State though.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 12:40 pmWho is the upper tier tho?aggies22 wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 12:15 pmThis is the way the "upper tier" tells the rest of the conference "we are sticking together."GameFAQSAggie wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 10:33 amProbably cause they only wanted the alliance with the upper tier.ViAggie wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 10:29 amI don't like the sound of this when I hear "upper tier." Why isn't the entire conference sticking to it's guns? I get that if the "UT" schools refuse to play ball, that only hurts the PAC2, but why aren't the other schools joining the ranks? If we all say it's all or nothing, the PAC2 is screwed.
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Yep. It's all about the Benjamins.utaggies wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 2:13 pmI suspect the “upper tier” has little to do with wins and losses and bowl appearances but relates to TV eyeballs, budget, and attendance.Aglicious wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 12:52 pmAdd in USU and Fresno St. and you have every program in the conference that:aggies22 wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 12:41 pmI didn't get specifics. I think it would be safe to include Air Force, boise state, and San Diego State though.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 12:40 pmWho is the upper tier tho?aggies22 wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 12:15 pmThis is the way the "upper tier" tells the rest of the conference "we are sticking together."GameFAQSAggie wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 10:33 amProbably cause they only wanted the alliance with the upper tier.ViAggie wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 10:29 amI don't like the sound of this when I hear "upper tier." Why isn't the entire conference sticking to it's guns? I get that if the "UT" schools refuse to play ball, that only hurts the PAC2, but why aren't the other schools joining the ranks? If we all say it's all or nothing, the PAC2 is screwed.
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For expansion, sure. (Even though we’d probably be included in this list too)utaggies wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 2:13 pmI suspect the “upper tier” has little to do with wins and losses and bowl appearances but relates to TV eyeballs, budget, and attendance.Aglicious wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 12:52 pmAdd in USU and Fresno St. and you have every program in the conference that:aggies22 wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 12:41 pmI didn't get specifics. I think it would be safe to include Air Force, boise state, and San Diego State though.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 12:40 pmWho is the upper tier tho?aggies22 wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 12:15 pmThis is the way the "upper tier" tells the rest of the conference "we are sticking together."GameFAQSAggie wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 10:33 amProbably cause they only wanted the alliance with the upper tier.ViAggie wrote: ↑October 20th, 2023, 10:29 amI don't like the sound of this when I hear "upper tier." Why isn't the entire conference sticking to it's guns? I get that if the "UT" schools refuse to play ball, that only hurts the PAC2, but why aren't the other schools joining the ranks? If we all say it's all or nothing, the PAC2 is screwed.
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- has been to 6 bowls or more under current membership
- has accounted for the MWC champion with the exception of the odd shortened 2020 season (SJSU)
But as far as scheduling goes, these teams probably weren’t hell Bent on scheduling games with the basement dwellers. They want good football games, to better their resume, I’d imagine.
I think OSU/WSU are just trying to keep the PAC 12 playoff money to themselves for the next two years, and then will either merge into the MWC at that point, or we reverse in to the PAC 12. They hold onto the hope that a P4 conference nabs them in the time in between now and the merger happens.
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Good. Let the Pac2 know their place.
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Seems like OSU and WSU have an unrealistic idea of how things are going down
I might add if this happens, and there isn’t a contractual agrememebt to merge in a year or two, Gloria Nevarez is worse than Thompson and should be immediately replaced.
If there is an agreement than why not merge now. It’s in everyone’s best interest
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From the tweet, it's obvious that they have a lot of legal issues to work out. I guess they are confident they'll be able to schedule games with us when the time comes. I also get that the clock is ticking and time is running out for them, but when there is that much money on the line, I'm guessing they will be go to the wire anticipating that we will be eager beavers (pun intended) to sign up to play them.Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑October 24th, 2023, 9:42 am
Seems like OSU and WSU have an unrealistic idea of how things are going down
I might add if this happens, and there isn’t a contractual agrememebt to merge in a year or two, Gloria Nevarez is worse than Thompson and should be immediately replaced.
If there is an agreement than why not merge now. It’s in everyone’s best interest
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Gloria can't force the other two schools to join. The PAC-2 are still praying to the football gods that a P4 conference picks them up. Even though the Mountain West would be a strong conference IF they joined, it's all about the P4 - G5 perception.Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑October 24th, 2023, 9:42 am
Seems like OSU and WSU have an unrealistic idea of how things are going down
I might add if this happens, and there isn’t a contractual agrememebt to merge in a year or two, Gloria Nevarez is worse than Thompson and should be immediately replaced.
If there is an agreement than why not merge now. It’s in everyone’s best interest
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Are we expecting to get a home game with either OSU/WSU as our last OOC home game for 2024? I haven't seen any talks about the last remaining game we need to schedule.aggies22 wrote: ↑October 24th, 2023, 10:41 amGloria can't force the other two schools to join. The PAC-2 are still praying to the football gods that a P4 conference picks them up. Even though the Mountain West would be a strong conference IF they joined, it's all about the P4 - G5 perception.Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑October 24th, 2023, 9:42 am
Seems like OSU and WSU have an unrealistic idea of how things are going down
I might add if this happens, and there isn’t a contractual agrememebt to merge in a year or two, Gloria Nevarez is worse than Thompson and should be immediately replaced.
If there is an agreement than why not merge now. It’s in everyone’s best interest
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I'm going to ask her the next time I see her.aggies22 wrote: ↑October 24th, 2023, 10:41 amGloria can't force the other two schools to join. The PAC-2 are still praying to the football gods that a P4 conference picks them up. Even though the Mountain West would be a strong conference IF they joined, it's all about the P4 - G5 perception.Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑October 24th, 2023, 9:42 am
Seems like OSU and WSU have an unrealistic idea of how things are going down
I might add if this happens, and there isn’t a contractual agrememebt to merge in a year or two, Gloria Nevarez is worse than Thompson and should be immediately replaced.
If there is an agreement than why not merge now. It’s in everyone’s best interest
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I don’t want a long term partnership with the PAC-2. Any scheduling agreement must include them joining the conference or facing harsh penalties. They could join today, but they want to extract every dollar out of the PAC for themselves. WSU and OSU will try to delay joining with the MW as much as possible because of their court case, but football kicks off August 24, 2024 and if their on the schedule due diligence needs to be done and there needs to be a contract merging with the Mountain West or whatever form that takes. I have no interest in helping WSU and OSU milk every dollar they can put of the PAC-12 before joining. Yes, their situation sucks. It also sucked when the PAC-12 were interested in poaching the top Mountain West schools a few months ago.Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑October 24th, 2023, 9:42 am
Seems like OSU and WSU have an unrealistic idea of how things are going down
I might add if this happens, and there isn’t a contractual agrememebt to merge in a year or two, Gloria Nevarez is worse than Thompson and should be immediately replaced.
If there is an agreement than why not merge now. It’s in everyone’s best interest
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SDSU was the only school they were in talks with that I'm aware of (Fresno would have likely sent a pre-emptive letter too if they had been told that they were weeks away from getting an invite to replace UCLA and USC... my guess is that it was SMU who would have been the #2 choice to join along with SDSU had the PAC been able to survive). Yes these two schools are in bind to say the least.Full wrote: ↑October 24th, 2023, 11:46 amI don’t want a long term partnership with the PAC-2. Any scheduling agreement must include them joining the conference or facing harsh penalties. They could join today, but they want to extract every dollar out of the PAC for themselves. WSU and OSU will try to delay joining with the MW as much as possible because of their court case, but football kicks off August 24, 2024 and if their on the schedule due diligence needs to be done and there needs to be a contract merging with the Mountain West or whatever form that takes. I have no interest in helping WSU and OSU milk every dollar they can put of the PAC-12 before joining. Yes, their situation sucks. It also sucked when the PAC-12 were interested in poaching the top Mountain West schools SCHOOL a few months ago.Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑October 24th, 2023, 9:42 am
Seems like OSU and WSU have an unrealistic idea of how things are going down
I might add if this happens, and there isn’t a contractual agrememebt to merge in a year or two, Gloria Nevarez is worse than Thompson and should be immediately replaced.
If there is an agreement than why not merge now. It’s in everyone’s best interest
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aggies22 wrote: ↑October 24th, 2023, 10:41 amGloria can't force the other two schools to join. The PAC-2 are still praying to the football gods that a P4 conference picks them up. Even though the Mountain West would be a strong conference IF they joined, it's all about the P4 - G5 perception.Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑October 24th, 2023, 9:42 am
Seems like OSU and WSU have an unrealistic idea of how things are going down
I might add if this happens, and there isn’t a contractual agrememebt to merge in a year or two, Gloria Nevarez is worse than Thompson and should be immediately replaced.
If there is an agreement than why not merge now. It’s in everyone’s best interest
The Mwc holds all the cards. The PAC 2 is on the verge of being treated as independents for CFP purposes. I assume the same with Basketball and other sports. They have no choice but to join a conference. If they can’t sell their fan base on it it’s their own fault. “Hey we’re merging with the MWC and are going to the playoff for 2 straight years at minimum”.
The choice is Elevate the MWC status or shrink to obscurity
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The only thing the PAC2 could do to the MWC is to invite 9 schools only, leaving the 3 in the dust. The problem is that if they do that, and the 9 agree, the 3 that are screwed are wounded until such time that someone comes along and offers the Beavs and the Cougs a spot in a "P4" conference, then we're back to square 1 with 3 wounded schools who had to relegate themselves to the dregs of CUSA during that time. It's not advantageous for the MWC to let that happen, that's why it SHOULD be an all or nothing. If we can't see this as a conference then God help us.Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑October 24th, 2023, 12:27 pmaggies22 wrote: ↑October 24th, 2023, 10:41 amGloria can't force the other two schools to join. The PAC-2 are still praying to the football gods that a P4 conference picks them up. Even though the Mountain West would be a strong conference IF they joined, it's all about the P4 - G5 perception.Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑October 24th, 2023, 9:42 am
Seems like OSU and WSU have an unrealistic idea of how things are going down
I might add if this happens, and there isn’t a contractual agrememebt to merge in a year or two, Gloria Nevarez is worse than Thompson and should be immediately replaced.
If there is an agreement than why not merge now. It’s in everyone’s best interest
The Mwc holds all the cards. The PAC 2 is on the verge of being treated as independents for CFP purposes. I assume the same with Basketball and other sports. They have no choice but to join a conference. If they can’t sell their fan base on it it’s their own fault. “Hey we’re merging with the MWC and are going to the playoff for 2 straight years at minimum”.
The choice is Elevate the MWC status or shrink to obscurity
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ViAggie wrote: ↑October 24th, 2023, 1:49 pmThe only thing the PAC2 could do to the MWC is to invite 9 schools only, leaving the 3 in the dust. The problem is that if they do that, and the 9 agree, the 3 that are screwed are wounded until such time that someone comes along and offers the Beavs and the Cougs a spot in a "P4" conference, then we're back to square 1 with 3 wounded schools who had to relegate themselves to the dregs of CUSA during that time. It's not advantageous for the MWC to let that happen, that's why it SHOULD be an all or nothing. If we can't see this as a conference then God help us.Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑October 24th, 2023, 12:27 pmaggies22 wrote: ↑October 24th, 2023, 10:41 amGloria can't force the other two schools to join. The PAC-2 are still praying to the football gods that a P4 conference picks them up. Even though the Mountain West would be a strong conference IF they joined, it's all about the P4 - G5 perception.Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑October 24th, 2023, 9:42 am
Seems like OSU and WSU have an unrealistic idea of how things are going down
I might add if this happens, and there isn’t a contractual agrememebt to merge in a year or two, Gloria Nevarez is worse than Thompson and should be immediately replaced.
If there is an agreement than why not merge now. It’s in everyone’s best interest
The Mwc holds all the cards. The PAC 2 is on the verge of being treated as independents for CFP purposes. I assume the same with Basketball and other sports. They have no choice but to join a conference. If they can’t sell their fan base on it it’s their own fault. “Hey we’re merging with the MWC and are going to the playoff for 2 straight years at minimum”.
The choice is Elevate the MWC status or shrink to obscurity
I legitimately don’t see the P4 coming for OSU/WSU though. They’re not huge markets, and not huge fan bases.
B1G already has a Western footprint. Maybe if the B1G loses out on the top ACC schools? But again, I don’t think the TV networks will want it and no one is going to want to
Dilute their share.
The SEC doesn’t want/need them.
The ACC I guess could as well but, again, doubt it. They’re hanging on by a thread as is. They could add them to round our their Pacific Pod of teams, it If they Add OSU/WSU it will again, dilute TV share with no real benefit to anyone currently in the conferences.
The Big 12 isn’t going any further west. They have to poach the ACC leftovers too.
The only way I see they get back in is if the NCAA/Legislature step in, regulate it to an extent, and force Conferences to be based on geography. Or if the Power 2 leave, and then the rest are forced into Georgia phi cal
Conferences.
But they don’t bring additional eyeballs. They’re not in great markets.
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Yeah, I don't get where Barnes is coming from on this we are P5 and we should be treated as P5 from this day and forever. Saying the situation they find themselves in is not of their own doing but because of the decision of other PAC-12 schools is a poor argument. Conversely the other PAC-12 schools could argue OSU and WSU have always been in the positions they have been due to the decisions of the the others.....and that place has been in a conference that neither is worthy of. It's certainly not of their own merit that they have a century of P5 money flowing through the doors.
Also, Barnes saying they intend to spend and have budgets at a P5 level moving forward is not based in reality. TV $$ is needed to do that and at some point these two schools will need to reevaluate how they are spending given a much lower payout. OSU and WSU would be in the lower half of the MWC designated media markets.
Also, Barnes saying they intend to spend and have budgets at a P5 level moving forward is not based in reality. TV $$ is needed to do that and at some point these two schools will need to reevaluate how they are spending given a much lower payout. OSU and WSU would be in the lower half of the MWC designated media markets.
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Yeah his comments were really dumb in my opinion. You can't just keep spending like you are P5 they already have tons of debt service payments they will need to make with their new stadium. This is the time they should be looking to shed costs not continue on that same path.Aglicious wrote: ↑October 24th, 2023, 2:21 pmYeah, I don't get where Barnes is coming from on this we are P5 and we should be treated as P5 from this day and forever. Saying the situation they find themselves in is not of their own doing but because of the decision of other PAC-12 schools is a poor argument. Conversely the other PAC-12 schools could argue OSU and WSU have always been in the positions they have been due to the decisions of the the others.....and that place has been in a conference that neither is worthy of. It's certainly not of their own merit that they have a century of P5 money flowing through the doors.
Also, Barnes saying they intend to spend and have budgets at a P5 level moving forward is not based in reality. TV $$ is needed to do that and at some point these two schools will need to reevaluate how they are spending given a much lower payout. OSU and WSU would be in the lower half of the MWC designated media markets.