What is a realistic standard to hold USU football to?

utahcountyaggie · Post by **utahcountyaggie** » October 3rd, 2023, 2:12 pm

Curious to see peoples thoughts.

I generally believe the current "standard" for USU football should be bowl eligibility (6 - 6 season).

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » October 3rd, 2023, 2:13 pm

Undefeated and competing for a natty yearly.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » October 3rd, 2023, 2:15 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
October 3rd, 2023, 2:13 pm
Undefeated and competing for a natty yearly.

It also should be done with a coach who will never leave regardless of the offers thrown his way

LarryTheAggie · Post by **LarryTheAggie** » October 3rd, 2023, 2:20 pm

Depends on your definition of standard. Do you mean minimum acceptable result? Or what you expect to win? Or the average result over multiple years?

I expect to be at least 7-5 most years, and be in the conference championship conversation every few years with a conference championship once ore twice every 10 years. I think that is reasonable. If that is happening I am okay with a losing season or 2 in the ten year span, esspecially in weird years.

But I think the minimum is 6-6. Though I accept that weird things happen and we will have a losing season every once in a while, that year was a failure. If it happens twice in a row we probably need a change of coach.

utahcountyaggie · Post by **utahcountyaggie** » October 3rd, 2023, 2:24 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
October 3rd, 2023, 2:20 pm
Depends on your definition of standard. Do you mean minimum acceptable result? Or what you expect to win? Or the average result over multiple years?

I expect to be at least 7-5 most years, and be in the conference championship conversation every few years with a conference championship once ore twice every 10 years. I think that is reasonable. If that is happening I am okay with a losing season or 2 in the ten year span, esspecially in weird years.

But I think the minimum is 6-6. Though I accept that weird things happen and we will have a losing season every once in a while, that year was a failure. If it happens twice in a row we probably need a change of coach.

I agree with each of those expectations, 100%. Since I voted for a 6 - 6 (bowl eligible) season as the standard, I suppose my definition is "minimum acceptable result" in a given year.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » October 3rd, 2023, 2:27 pm

Yeah going to bowls annually and being a serious contender for a conference title every few years(2018 and 2021 type seasons).

Sl7vk · Post by **Sl7vk** » October 3rd, 2023, 2:30 pm

7-5 and running a the cleanest program that operates at the highest level of integrity in the Mountain West.

Agezzz · Post by **Agezzz** » October 3rd, 2023, 2:34 pm

I think 7-5 is a minimum with a bowl game. If we lose the bowl game we still have a winning season. Not the case with a 6-6 season. But I believe our goal should be an 8-4 season with a much better bowl game.

AggieDad · Post by **AggieDad** » October 3rd, 2023, 2:41 pm

This is a fair question, but also incomplete, because it fails to require the answer to be supported, especially given that there are 11 teams in the Mountain West, all with the same or better expectations. So, the question should include, "and why?" What do we have or do differently from the rest of the conference to justify an expectation, for example, that we win 7-8 games a year and compete for a conference championship? Granted, not everyone expects this, but I'd also like to hear the basis for one's expectation, whatever it might be.

tipitup · Post by **tipitup** » October 3rd, 2023, 2:42 pm

i would like to see up come into the season year in and year out as one of the top 3 in the conference rankings not the bottom 2 every year!! i know we show better than the rankings, but i hate the no respect thingy

seabass · Post by **seabass** » October 3rd, 2023, 3:03 pm

Winning record for me.
Also, P5 victories mean more to me than bowl victories against a G5. I'd love to see a P5 victory every other year. So schedule winnable P5 games!

brownjeans · Post by **brownjeans** » October 3rd, 2023, 3:07 pm

Our program should have a ten-year rolling average of 7.5 wins per year. I've said this for a while now.
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I don't think circumstances have changed to where that expectation should change.
The only major change is NIL and the transfer portal. With the exception of maybe one game per year, our opponents are at our level and have the same problems we do. So IMO, NIL and the transfer portal shouldn't change our expectation.

Edit: I just checked. Our average number of wins the past 10 years is 7 (including the COVID season). If you go back 11 years and remove the COVID season, our average is 8 wins. In other words, we're performing to expectations.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » October 3rd, 2023, 3:13 pm

seabass wrote: ↑
October 3rd, 2023, 3:03 pm
Winning record for me.
Also, P5 victories mean more to me than bowl victories against a G5. I'd love to see a P5 victory every other year. So schedule winnable P5 games!

But Mr seabass if it is so winnable does it really mean as much? Beating ASU this year wouldn't exactly be a bigger deal than beating jmu

seabass · Post by **seabass** » October 3rd, 2023, 3:53 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
October 3rd, 2023, 3:13 pm

seabass wrote: ↑
October 3rd, 2023, 3:03 pm
Winning record for me.
Also, P5 victories mean more to me than bowl victories against a G5. I'd love to see a P5 victory every other year. So schedule winnable P5 games!
But Mr seabass if it is so winnable does it really mean as much? Beating ASU this year wouldn't exactly be a bigger deal than beating jmu

I think most fans would prefer a win over ASU than JMU. For me personally an ASU win would be sweet just so my former co worker ASU fan would know who we are. He’s supposedly a big college football fan who , when I reminded him I went to USU, he’d say “that’s the Utes, right?” Admittedly this was in the Brent Guy years when only the biggest CFB fans knew who we were.

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