Faze wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 11:35 am

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I will always hate BYU way more than Utah, don't know why but that has been ingrained in me since childhood. Growing up my dad would always say his two favorites teams on any given Saturday were #1 USU, #2 whichever team was playing against BYU. BYU fans seem to have a meltdown whenever Utah is successful, so in that regard I don't mind it when Utah does well. My in-laws are also avid BYU fans and so it warms my heart whenever BYU loses, especially against USU, Utah, or some "lesser" team. So I wouldn't say that I cheer for Utah, I would phrase it more along the lines that I cheer for any opportunity to make a BYU fan miserable.

We might be the same person.

tysteve20 wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 11:19 am

utah fans don't care if you hate utah and embrace the hate. byu fans are appalled you could ever hate something as magical as byu, especially if you're a member. My wifes uncle asked me how I could hate something that is run by the quorum of the 12, therefor run by God. Also told me that everyone he's ever known that hates byu has ended up leaving the church and ruining their lives. Its the attitudes like that that make me hate byu more.

Yikes, that type of statement is rooted in far more apostasy then I could even describe.

NVAggie wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 11:40 am

tysteve20 wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 11:19 am

utah fans don't care if you hate utah and embrace the hate. byu fans are appalled you could ever hate something as magical as byu, especially if you're a member. My wifes uncle asked me how I could hate something that is run by the quorum of the 12, therefor run by God. Also told me that everyone he's ever known that hates byu has ended up leaving the church and ruining their lives. Its the attitudes like that that make me hate byu more.

Yikes, that type of statement is rooted in far more apostasy then I could even describe.

And I have never met a byu fan that says that. At least not seriously.

slcagg wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 11:41 am

NVAggie wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 11:40 am

tysteve20 wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 11:19 am

utah fans don't care if you hate utah and embrace the hate. byu fans are appalled you could ever hate something as magical as byu, especially if you're a member. My wifes uncle asked me how I could hate something that is run by the quorum of the 12, therefor run by God. Also told me that everyone he's ever known that hates byu has ended up leaving the church and ruining their lives. Its the attitudes like that that make me hate byu more.

Yikes, that type of statement is rooted in far more apostasy then I could even describe.

And I have never met a byu fan that says that. At least not seriously.

You’ve not seen enough then. I knew a dude in high school who said, in all seriousness, that he was so grateful to attend BYU because it’s the only place he could learn by the spirit. Makes you wonder how the president of the church did it while at the university of Utah.

It is an attitude like you described that makes me want to be around BYU members much less.

ususports wrote: ↑

August 30th, 2023, 11:05 pm

SwaggieAggie wrote: ↑

August 30th, 2023, 10:26 pm

Drives me crazy too. Never really understood why they never get the same level of hate as BYU gets despite then wanting nothing to do with us.

Screw ‘em both.

I could be wrong, but I think the main reason is up until around 2010, Utah would play us home and home in both football and basketball. BYU was demanding and getting 2 and 3 for ones in football clear back in the 90's. They also were getting us to do the neutral site games in basketball. Obviously, our AD was stupid enough to agree to those terms with BYU, but for decades, Utah was treating us much better in scheduling agreements. That quickly changed as soon as Utah joined the Pac 12, and now BYU did the same thing when they joined the Big 12.

I agree, screw them both, but just answering your question.

Agreed about the inept performance of our previous Athletic Directors not taking the long view and failing to play hard ball with the school in SLC and in Provo.

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 11:44 am

slcagg wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 11:41 am

NVAggie wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 11:40 am

tysteve20 wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 11:19 am

utah fans don't care if you hate utah and embrace the hate. byu fans are appalled you could ever hate something as magical as byu, especially if you're a member. My wifes uncle asked me how I could hate something that is run by the quorum of the 12, therefor run by God. Also told me that everyone he's ever known that hates byu has ended up leaving the church and ruining their lives. Its the attitudes like that that make me hate byu more.

Yikes, that type of statement is rooted in far more apostasy then I could even describe.

And I have never met a byu fan that says that. At least not seriously.

You’ve not seen enough then. I knew a dude in high school who said, in all seriousness, that he was so grateful to attend BYU because it’s the only place he could learn by the spirit. Makes you wonder how the president of the church did it while at the university of Utah.

May be the case. I mean I’ve heard that generally but for the most part my interactions with people I know who are byu fans are not annoying. If the church gets brought up and that attitude it’s usually out of sarcasm.

But I’m also careful not to hang out with the nerds that may have these kinds of takes.

tysteve20 wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 11:19 am

utah fans don't care if you hate utah and embrace the hate. byu fans are appalled you could ever hate something as magical as byu, especially if you're a member. My wifes uncle asked me how I could hate something that is run by the quorum of the 12, therefor run by God. Also told me that everyone he's ever known that hates byu has ended up leaving the church and ruining their lives. Its the attitudes like that that make me hate byu more.

This more or less sums up my feelings. I cheer against Utah for sport/rivalry purposes, but it's not that serious. I cheer against BYU because I despise the implication that I "should" cheer for them.

EngineeringAggie wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 11:40 am

Faze wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 11:35 am

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I will always hate BYU way more than Utah, don't know why but that has been ingrained in me since childhood. Growing up my dad would always say his two favorites teams on any given Saturday were #1 USU, #2 whichever team was playing against BYU. BYU fans seem to have a meltdown whenever Utah is successful, so in that regard I don't mind it when Utah does well. My in-laws are also avid BYU fans and so it warms my heart whenever BYU loses, especially against USU, Utah, or some "lesser" team. So I wouldn't say that I cheer for Utah, I would phrase it more along the lines that I cheer for any opportunity to make a BYU fan miserable.

We might be the same person.

I'm an engineer too so it's plausible we are!

Living out of state, U fans are non-existent as far as conversations go for me. It is no contest that BYU FANS suck more than any other school. They are condescending, mostly sheep following BYU because of church and clueless about football.

Love nothing more than seeing them lose every game, including to Utah, mostly because them losing to Utah really pi$$es of cougar fans and that is a great thing.

GeoAg wrote: ↑

August 30th, 2023, 10:01 pm

Down with both the pukes and byu. Utah has done way more to harm USU than byu ever has...but I make sure to hate both

You've always been a fair man.

tysteve20 wrote:utah fans don't care if you hate utah and embrace the hate. byu fans are appalled you could ever hate something as magical as byu, especially if you're a member. My wifes uncle asked me how I could hate something that is run by the quorum of the 12, therefor run by God. Also told me that everyone he's ever known that hates byu has ended up leaving the church and ruining their lives. Its the attitudes like that that make me hate byu more.

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I’ve always argued against tying Cougar athletics directly to God’s actual interactions with the Church. I just don’t think God condones being rude (putting it lightly) to your fellow human beings, which is what I experienced going to an Aggie game in Provo. I’m all for college football (pro football, too), I just wish it wasn’t so closely tied to my Church …

ususports wrote: ↑

August 30th, 2023, 11:05 pm

SwaggieAggie wrote: ↑

August 30th, 2023, 10:26 pm

Drives me crazy too. Never really understood why they never get the same level of hate as BYU gets despite then wanting nothing to do with us.

Screw ‘em both.

I could be wrong, but I think the main reason is up until around 2010, Utah would play us home and home in both football and basketball. BYU was demanding and getting 2 and 3 for ones in football clear back in the 90's. They also were getting us to do the neutral site games in basketball. Obviously, our AD was stupid enough to agree to those terms with BYU, but for decades, Utah was treating us much better in scheduling agreements. That quickly changed as soon as Utah joined the Pac 12, and now BYU did the same thing when they joined the Big 12.

I agree, screw them both, but just answering your question.

I would also add that it's probably because Utah hasn't played us as much in any sports since 2010 that we have generally lost some of our negative feelings towards the yewts. It's harder to stir up animosity towards someone you never see. We've had a whole generation of Aggies go through school that never got to experience the Battle of the Brothers (in both football and basketball), and therefore haven't had the chance to develop that good ol' fashioned hatred.

With that being said, my personal feelings are similar to most on this board. I find yBu fans insufferable, and love nothing more than to see them lose. I am mostly indifferent to the yewts, but I do enjoy watching them play against the big boys, and more often than not would rather see them beat an SEC/B1G school, due to schools from those conferences having even higher feelings of superiority than the two schools down south.

But yeah, at the end of the day, screw 'em both, shame on them for not scheduling USU, (especially in basketball, I mean c'mon), and Go Aggies.

SwaggieAggie wrote: ↑

August 30th, 2023, 10:26 pm

Drives me crazy too. Never really understood why they never get the same level of hate as BYU gets despite then wanting nothing to do with us.

Screw ‘em both.

I think honestly it's because BYU is really that hateable. I don't like Utah either, but somehow the miasma seeping out of Provo is just worse.

QuackAttackAggie wrote: ↑

August 30th, 2023, 10:00 pm

JFWAggie wrote:

Chatman wrote: ↑

August 30th, 2023, 9:34 pm

It is my opinion that the utes being a top tier team only helps the aggies.

How so?

I assume so we don't compete with them for the same player pool


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There is a strong correlation to when the Utah state football program turned around to when the utes went to the PAC 12. The recruiting pool for them changed and we were able to land many players over the years who would have gone to Utah when they were in the MWC. Only helps Utah state when they are good.

Florida is trash. Their level of incompetence in this game vs utah is on the same level as the Brent Guy years.

Imakeitrain wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 6:59 pm

Florida is trash. Their level of incompetence in this game vs utah is on the same level as the Brent Guy years.

Force Utah to punt then put two players on the field wearing #3 for a 5 yard penalty and give them the first down. Brent guy was before my time but from what I hear that sounds like the sort of thing Aggie fans experienced during the Guy era.

The 1907 entry on the official USU site:

"Fearing that the growth of the UAC will hinder the University of Utah's progress, legislators in Salt Lake City attempt to consolidate the two schools, and upon failing, instead pass a bill limiting UAC's curriculum to agriculture, domestic science, and mechanic arts. Many once-thriving programs in the arts, humanities, education, and others are closed, despite the college's initial mandate that it offer such instruction. By 1927, all curricular restrictions except law and medicine are lifted."

For almost 120 years they've been doing us dirt.

Rotten, filthy bastages.

AggieLifer wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 3:46 pm

I’ve always argued against tying Cougar athletics directly to God’s actual interactions with the Church. I just don’t think God condones being rude (putting it lightly) to your fellow human beings, which is what I experienced going to an Aggie game in Provo. I’m all for college football (pro football, too), I just wish it wasn’t so closely tied to my Church …

I wish this message board didn’t bring up religion, Mormon or otherwise.

ChowderAggie wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 8:14 pm

AggieLifer wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 3:46 pm

I’ve always argued against tying Cougar athletics directly to God’s actual interactions with the Church. I just don’t think God condones being rude (putting it lightly) to your fellow human beings, which is what I experienced going to an Aggie game in Provo. I’m all for college football (pro football, too), I just wish it wasn’t so closely tied to my Church …

I wish this message board didn’t bring up religion, Mormon or otherwise.

Hear! Hear!

USU78 wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 8:18 pm

ChowderAggie wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 8:14 pm

AggieLifer wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 3:46 pm

I’ve always argued against tying Cougar athletics directly to God’s actual interactions with the Church. I just don’t think God condones being rude (putting it lightly) to your fellow human beings, which is what I experienced going to an Aggie game in Provo. I’m all for college football (pro football, too), I just wish it wasn’t so closely tied to my Church …

I wish this message board didn’t bring up religion, Mormon or otherwise.

Hear! Hear!

Ramen!

Went to the game tonight, mostly because my dad and I both work for the U and it was a good father son time.

What impressed me most, and honestly has with Utah for years, is they don't shoot themselves in the foot. They have good discipline. Florida could end up being pretty bad this year, but they're still an SEC team and have huge and fast dudes.

Hope to see improved discipline from our AGGIES this season and less getting in our own way. Iowa can be beat, hope the boys believe and the coaches stoke that belief!

Section_L_Aggie wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 9:59 pm

Went to the game tonight, mostly because my dad and I both work for the U and it was a good father son time.

What impressed me most, and honestly has with Utah for years, is they don't shoot themselves in the foot. They have good discipline. Florida could end up being pretty bad this year, but they're still an SEC team and have huge and fast dudes.

Hope to see improved discipline from our AGGIES this season and less getting in our own way. Iowa can be beat, hope the boys believe and the coaches stoke that belief!

Yeah, they’ve been fortunate to keep whittingham for so long, and granted they’ve been able to pay him well also. These are the golden years of Utah football, just like the zoobs had the 80s and the Aggies had the 60s. I only hope they don’t last much longer for them.

Meh. At this point the Aggies and Utes are so far apart program wise I don’t mind cheering on the Utes. It’s pretty amazing what they’ve turned into honestly. My buddy took me to the game and it’s obviously a whole different world than going to an Aggie game. It’s cool to have that experience in the state.

Agezzz wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 9:07 am

Some fans simply like to watch good games against good teams. I certainly root for Utah vs BYU. Many Aggies grew up in SLC rooting for Utah. Since USU no longer plays any of them, some might find interest in a Utah Florida game Vs a USU New Mexico game. It's FB at a much higher level. I don't think an Aggie would root for Utah or BYU if they ever played USU again.

Maybe where we are in sports might also be our own fault and not simply Utah and or BYU blackballing us. Just a thought...

Is it an educated thought? Or just you throwing out some random idea that you heard from a U/Y fan? Cause it sounds like the second one, to me.

USU78 wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 7:56 pm

The 1907 entry on the official USU site:

"Fearing that the growth of the UAC will hinder the University of Utah's progress, legislators in Salt Lake City attempt to consolidate the two schools, and upon failing, instead pass a bill limiting UAC's curriculum to agriculture, domestic science, and mechanic arts. Many once-thriving programs in the arts, humanities, education, and others are closed, despite the college's initial mandate that it offer such instruction. By 1927, all curricular restrictions except law and medicine are lifted."

For almost 120 years they've been doing us dirt.

Rotten, filthy bastages.

Yep, utah has done way more to harm USU. Starting about 100 years ago when they made us shut down the music program up to the modern day when they blew up the project. They are the reason we don't have a law school or med school or pharmacy or nursing when the need is such I'm the state that for profit schools have to take up the slack. If you hate byu more than utah you just aren't paying attention. They both suck royally. I am a proud equal opportunity hater.

Section_L_Aggie wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 9:59 pm

Went to the game tonight, mostly because my dad and I both work for the U and it was a good father son time.

What impressed me most, and honestly has with Utah for years, is they don't shoot themselves in the foot. They have good discipline. Florida could end up being pretty bad this year, but they're still an SEC team and have huge and fast dudes.

Hope to see improved discipline from our AGGIES this season and less getting in our own way. Iowa can be beat, hope the boys believe and the coaches stoke that belief!

Our coaches instilled a lot of confidence when we played Alabama.

I’m guessing Blake’s pregame speech … we suck so bad; let’s just collect the check and get out of here.

IMO, that was damaging to our players, fans, and brand. Can you Imagine Boise or Fresno doing that?

As a Utah alum ... with almost zero care for the 'academic' side of things and a love for Autumn afternoons with stadiums filled with fans and teams on the field playing football ... I acknowledge that something is lost with no more 'Battle of the Brothers' games (and if my opinion mattered would have never gone away) ... but reality is that it would likely be so one sided as to be more bad than good for both sides today?... and hence it probably is beneficial at this point to be where things are. USU probably gets more local athletes than they used to ... and is VERY competitive in the MWC ... and I pull for Aggies at every opportunity, and of course enjoy a Utes beat down of an SEC team to the maximum. We are Brothers. Just in different stages of life at the moment. It is good to celebrate one another's success. Beat Iowa and shock the world! And yes ybu sucks.

ChowderAggie wrote: ↑

September 1st, 2023, 8:29 am

Section_L_Aggie wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 9:59 pm

Went to the game tonight, mostly because my dad and I both work for the U and it was a good father son time.

What impressed me most, and honestly has with Utah for years, is they don't shoot themselves in the foot. They have good discipline. Florida could end up being pretty bad this year, but they're still an SEC team and have huge and fast dudes.

Hope to see improved discipline from our AGGIES this season and less getting in our own way. Iowa can be beat, hope the boys believe and the coaches stoke that belief!

Our coaches instilled a lot of confidence when we played Alabama.

I’m guessing Blake’s pregame speech … we suck so bad; let’s just collect the check and get out of here.

IMO, that was damaging to our players, fans, and brand. Can you Imagine Boise or Fresno doing that?

Nope, I can't. Honestly, not sure I've forgiven him from a fan perspective for that BS. It set the tone for the whole season and gave certain players, who don't play here anymore, free reign to be the selfish dicks they always were, but couldn't show it. I hope the 1st year Blake is back and I hope this team has some leaders as that 1st year team did.

calaggie wrote: ↑

September 1st, 2023, 12:19 am

Agezzz wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 9:07 am

Some fans simply like to watch good games against good teams. I certainly root for Utah vs BYU. Many Aggies grew up in SLC rooting for Utah. Since USU no longer plays any of them, some might find interest in a Utah Florida game Vs a USU New Mexico game. It's FB at a much higher level. I don't think an Aggie would root for Utah or BYU if they ever played USU again.

Maybe where we are in sports might also be our own fault and not simply Utah and or BYU blackballing us. Just a thought...

Is it an educated thought? Or just you throwing out some random idea that you heard from a U/Y fan? Cause it sounds like the second one, to me.

I think it is pretty well documented that Utah kept us out of the original WAC because they were afraid of us surpassing them. Having said that, BYU and Utah didn't force us to go 30-40 with no meaningful investments in our athletics department afterward. Nor did they force us to be located in a relatively sparsely populated area of the state that is difficult to travel to during the winter. There are lots of factors that contributed to USU having a less desirable conference affiliation than BYU/Utah. Those two schools can be blamed for some of them, but not all of them.

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

September 1st, 2023, 3:37 pm

calaggie wrote: ↑

September 1st, 2023, 12:19 am

Agezzz wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 9:07 am

Some fans simply like to watch good games against good teams. I certainly root for Utah vs BYU. Many Aggies grew up in SLC rooting for Utah. Since USU no longer plays any of them, some might find interest in a Utah Florida game Vs a USU New Mexico game. It's FB at a much higher level. I don't think an Aggie would root for Utah or BYU if they ever played USU again.

Maybe where we are in sports might also be our own fault and not simply Utah and or BYU blackballing us. Just a thought...

Is it an educated thought? Or just you throwing out some random idea that you heard from a U/Y fan? Cause it sounds like the second one, to me.

I think it is pretty well documented that Utah kept us out of the original WAC because they were afraid of us surpassing them. Having said that, BYU and Utah didn't force us to go 30-40 with no meaningful investments in our athletics department afterward. Nor did they force us to be located in a relatively sparsely populated area of the state that is difficult to travel to during the winter. There are lots of factors that contributed to USU having a less desirable conference affiliation than BYU/Utah. Those two schools can be blamed for some of them, but not all of them.

Wazzu and OSU were deemed locks for the WAC in 1962 because the PAC was going to do to them what our southern stench ended up doing to us.

It ended up not happening to them, and what you see with them is more or less what likely would have ended up happening with us .

No other factors are relevant.

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

September 1st, 2023, 3:37 pm

calaggie wrote: ↑

September 1st, 2023, 12:19 am

Agezzz wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 9:07 am

Some fans simply like to watch good games against good teams. I certainly root for Utah vs BYU. Many Aggies grew up in SLC rooting for Utah. Since USU no longer plays any of them, some might find interest in a Utah Florida game Vs a USU New Mexico game. It's FB at a much higher level. I don't think an Aggie would root for Utah or BYU if they ever played USU again.

Maybe where we are in sports might also be our own fault and not simply Utah and or BYU blackballing us. Just a thought...

Is it an educated thought? Or just you throwing out some random idea that you heard from a U/Y fan? Cause it sounds like the second one, to me.

I think it is pretty well documented that Utah kept us out of the original WAC because they were afraid of us surpassing them. Having said that, BYU and Utah didn't force us to go 30-40 with no meaningful investments in our athletics department afterward. Nor did they force us to be located in a relatively sparsely populated area of the state that is difficult to travel to during the winter. There are lots of factors that contributed to USU having a less desirable conference affiliation than BYU/Utah. Those two schools can be blamed for some of them, but not all of them.

BYU was the prime mover to form the WAC. And although it was never stated outright, the purpose was to push USU aside. Utah was the gorilla in the room that would always be included. USU was the ascendant program at the time, and byu knew if they didn’t make a move, they would be pushed into irrelevance. The church and BYU had come up with their “athletics as missionary tool” theory, and the church made the financial commitment to make it happen. Utah didn’t see byu as any kind of threat to their athletic primacy in the state, but USU was. So the U saw it as a win/win for them. F them both forever and ever, amen.

slcagg wrote: ↑

August 30th, 2023, 9:18 pm

I am surprised how many aggie fans I see on Twitter talking about the Utes and hoping they have success. Do they not understand what the Utes have done to our program over the years even recently with refusing to schedule us.

Absolutely I will be cheering for the gators tomorrow.

It's sickening.
Makes me sick.
I'm sickened.

calaggie wrote: ↑

September 1st, 2023, 12:19 am

Agezzz wrote: ↑

August 31st, 2023, 9:07 am

Some fans simply like to watch good games against good teams. I certainly root for Utah vs BYU. Many Aggies grew up in SLC rooting for Utah. Since USU no longer plays any of them, some might find interest in a Utah Florida game Vs a USU New Mexico game. It's FB at a much higher level. I don't think an Aggie would root for Utah or BYU if they ever played USU again.

Maybe where we are in sports might also be our own fault and not simply Utah and or BYU blackballing us. Just a thought...

Is it an educated thought? Or just you throwing out some random idea that you heard from a U/Y fan? Cause it sounds like the second one, to me.

Then you obviously don't have any idea what you think you are reading. I grew up in Southern CA and still love USC. But not close to my support of USU. But I hope SC wins every game except when they play the Aggies. Lot's of sports fans in SLC probably feel the same way about the Utes. Was that clear enough for you smart a$$.