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Post by AggieLifer » April 22nd, 2023, 2:00 am

Never thought I say this but, forget it, let’s go FCS and bring fun back into fall.
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Re: FCS

Post by USUaggie » April 22nd, 2023, 3:16 am

Universities have no place sponsoring professional sports. Follow the Ivy league model. No more athletic scholarships, just have tryouts from the students on campus. It will be more like club sports, but will use the nice stadiums and arenas, so crowds could still be large.

Throw the PE teachers a little bit extra $ to coach. Limit practice time so that players can be students. Only offer non commercial steaming of games, no more big TV money. Schedule mostly regional opponents to limit travel times and cost. Have mid day football game times in the late fall rather than be at the mercy of TV money forcing late night starts.

Revenue from ticket sales and concessions would role back into maintaining facilities and paying staff. Try to run this at a level that student athletic fees could be dropped or greatly reduced.

Try to get fellow MW universities to do the same, but ultimately this would go nation wide. Let the "Universitys" that want to be controlled by their sports programs continue the current crazy path. Hopefully there will be enough other schools participate to make this work.

I think I would enjoy this entertainment as much as I do now, maybe more because I think I would feel much more attached to the student athletes than I am feeling right now. We would still get to sit in Aggie stadium in the fall and enjoy watching the competition. Crisp winter nights could still be spent watching our team play basketball.

Perhaps some minor leagues could form for the athletes that want to be professional.

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Re: FCS

Post by LarryTheAggie » April 22nd, 2023, 5:17 am

Going to FCS wouldn't stop players from transfering, getting tampered with, or NIL. Weber State has the same rules there as we do.
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Re: FCS

Post by GeoAg » April 22nd, 2023, 7:11 am

Not a solution
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Re: FCS

Post by Blue Sage » April 22nd, 2023, 8:11 am

AggieLifer wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 2:00 am
Never thought I say this but, forget it, let’s go FCS and bring fun back into fall.
Not sure where you have been but I’ve been having a whole lot of fun in the fall. Many moons ago we were super close to dropping into FCS then up went the North Endzone Facility, Randy Spetman, Gary, Turbo, and Bobby. Had we dropped when so many called for it Bobby Wagner would have never commonly said “from THE Utah State”. We would have never taken home the MWC trophy, and Beaten our PAC-12 Foe in the Jimmy Kimmel bowl. Jordon Love may not be now taking over at Green Bay. Who knows? The fastest pitch yields the greatest opportunity. Pretty hard to hit home runs with weak sauce pitches that I throw. How are we supposed to get P5 status if we drop down? If we stay where we are they will soon expand the playoff to 12 which will yield a path for us to play at the highest level. I don’t even know who was in the lower division playoffs or who won nor do I care nor would I care about our team if they dropped down. I am as upset as anyone over this BUT it will settle, we will find a way. So let’s shut this kind of talk down because it hurts a lot more than it helps. It really really does.
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Re: FCS

Post by Hoot » April 22nd, 2023, 8:23 am

Blue Sage wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 8:11 am
AggieLifer wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 2:00 am
Never thought I say this but, forget it, let’s go FCS and bring fun back into fall.
Not sure where you have been but I’ve been having a whole lot of fun in the fall. Many moons ago we were super close to dropping into FCS then up went the North Endzone Facility, Randy Spetman, Gary, Turbo, and Bobby. Had we dropped when so many called for it Bobby Wagner would have never commonly said “from THE Utah State”. We would have never taken home the MWC trophy, and Beaten our PAC-12 Foe in the Jimmy Kimmel bowl. Jordon Love may not be now taking over at Green Bay. Who knows? The fastest pitch yields the greatest opportunity. Pretty hard to hit home runs with weak sauce pitches that I throw. How are we supposed to get P5 status if we drop down? If we stay where we are they will soon expand the playoff to 12 which will yield a path for us to play at the highest level. I don’t even know who was in the lower division playoffs or who won nor do I care nor would I care about our team if they dropped down. I am as upset as anyone over this BUT it will settle, we will find a way. So let’s shut this kind of talk down because it hurts a lot more than it helps. It really really does.


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Re: FCS

Post by Gidbob » April 22nd, 2023, 8:26 am

USUaggie wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 3:16 am
Universities have no place sponsoring professional sports. Follow the Ivy league model. No more athletic scholarships, just have tryouts from the students on campus. It will be more like club sports, but will use the nice stadiums and arenas, so crowds could still be large.

Throw the PE teachers a little bit extra $ to coach. Limit practice time so that players can be students. Only offer non commercial steaming of games, no more big TV money. Schedule mostly regional opponents to limit travel times and cost. Have mid day football game times in the late fall rather than be at the mercy of TV money forcing late night starts.

Revenue from ticket sales and concessions would role back into maintaining facilities and paying staff. Try to run this at a level that student athletic fees could be dropped or greatly reduced.

Try to get fellow MW universities to do the same, but ultimately this would go nation wide. Let the "Universitys" that want to be controlled by their sports programs continue the current crazy path. Hopefully there will be enough other schools participate to make this work.

I think I would enjoy this entertainment as much as I do now, maybe more because I think I would feel much more attached to the student athletes than I am feeling right now. We would still get to sit in Aggie stadium in the fall and enjoy watching the competition. Crisp winter nights could still be spent watching our team play basketball.

Perhaps some minor leagues could form for the athletes that want to be professional.
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Re: FCS

Post by Madmartigan » April 22nd, 2023, 8:35 am

AggieLifer wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 2:00 am
Never thought I say this but, forget it, let’s go FCS and bring fun back into fall.
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Re: FCS

Post by GameFAQSAggie » April 22nd, 2023, 8:42 am

The time to go FCS is when the top 30 or so schools break away to form the new FBS, and the rest of the schools unable to keep up with them become the new FCS.



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Re: FCS

Post by stang » April 22nd, 2023, 9:06 am

Madmartigan wrote:
AggieLifer wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 2:00 am
Never thought I say this but, forget it, let’s go FCS and bring fun back into fall.
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Re: FCS

Post by 3rdGenAggie » April 22nd, 2023, 9:07 am

I'm surprised we're not on there more often. The guy that runs it is an Aggie.


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Re: FCS

Post by BobWilson » April 22nd, 2023, 9:16 am

GameFAQSAggie wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 8:42 am
The time to go FCS is when the top 30 or so schools break away to form the new FBS, and the rest of the schools unable to keep up with them become the new FCS.
My predicrion is that the status quo will prevail for a few years and then for financial reasons schools not in the top 30 will develope an entirely new paradigm for athletics. It won't be as simple as dropping down to FCS. Emphasis will be oin SUDENT-athletes leaving the top money makers to continue a never ending arms race. Ther will be weeping by many alums at schools like USU, "We have always been in the top division, etc." But have we? with 2-3 top 25 football teams and but one post=season NCAA/NIT victory since 1970?

More and more schools realize they can no longer support athletics on the backs of students who leave with outrageous amounts of student loans or from instructional discretionary funds.
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Re: FCS

Post by AggieFBObsession » April 22nd, 2023, 10:26 am

USUaggie wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 3:16 am
Universities have no place sponsoring professional sports.
This. ^^^^ What the solution is, I don't know. I just know that I hate what is happening to college athletics.

The only solution that has ever made sense to me is for the vast majority of schools sponsoring football to "take their ball and go home", so to speak, and leave the "bullies" to play by themselves where it won't be fun anymore for them when they don't have as many kids to beat up on.



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Re: FCS

Post by LarryTheAggie » April 22nd, 2023, 10:40 am

3rdGenAggie wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 9:07 am
I'm surprised we're not on there more often. The guy that runs it is an Aggie.
This.

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Re: FCS

Post by swordsman1989 » April 22nd, 2023, 10:52 am

USUaggie wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 3:16 am
Universities have no place sponsoring professional sports. Follow the Ivy league model. No more athletic scholarships, just have tryouts from the students on campus. It will be more like club sports, but will use the nice stadiums and arenas, so crowds could still be large.

Throw the PE teachers a little bit extra $ to coach. Limit practice time so that players can be students. Only offer non commercial steaming of games, no more big TV money. Schedule mostly regional opponents to limit travel times and cost. Have mid day football game times in the late fall rather than be at the mercy of TV money forcing late night starts.

Revenue from ticket sales and concessions would role back into maintaining facilities and paying staff. Try to run this at a level that student athletic fees could be dropped or greatly reduced.

Try to get fellow MW universities to do the same, but ultimately this would go nation wide. Let the "Universitys" that want to be controlled by their sports programs continue the current crazy path. Hopefully there will be enough other schools participate to make this work.

I think I would enjoy this entertainment as much as I do now, maybe more because I think I would feel much more attached to the student athletes than I am feeling right now. We would still get to sit in Aggie stadium in the fall and enjoy watching the competition. Crisp winter nights could still be spent watching our team play basketball.

Perhaps some minor leagues could form for the athletes that want to be professional.
Completely agree. Universities should be about providing education, not running professional sports. Back when there was the facade of amateurism, I could be more supportive of collegiate athletics. But it is openly professional now, and that is not something I can support, not even with USU. Of course I am happy to see anything associated with USU do well, so I will always be happy to see USU athletics succeed. But I find it hard to donate money to support professional athletes, when my donations could be spent to support the educational mission of the university.
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Re: FCS

Post by SeattleAg » April 22nd, 2023, 11:15 am

swordsman1989 wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 10:52 am
USUaggie wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 3:16 am
Universities have no place sponsoring professional sports. Follow the Ivy league model. No more athletic scholarships, just have tryouts from the students on campus. It will be more like club sports, but will use the nice stadiums and arenas, so crowds could still be large.

Throw the PE teachers a little bit extra $ to coach. Limit practice time so that players can be students. Only offer non commercial steaming of games, no more big TV money. Schedule mostly regional opponents to limit travel times and cost. Have mid day football game times in the late fall rather than be at the mercy of TV money forcing late night starts.

Revenue from ticket sales and concessions would role back into maintaining facilities and paying staff. Try to run this at a level that student athletic fees could be dropped or greatly reduced.

Try to get fellow MW universities to do the same, but ultimately this would go nation wide. Let the "Universitys" that want to be controlled by their sports programs continue the current crazy path. Hopefully there will be enough other schools participate to make this work.

I think I would enjoy this entertainment as much as I do now, maybe more because I think I would feel much more attached to the student athletes than I am feeling right now. We would still get to sit in Aggie stadium in the fall and enjoy watching the competition. Crisp winter nights could still be spent watching our team play basketball.

Perhaps some minor leagues could form for the athletes that want to be professional.
Completely agree. Universities should be about providing education, not running professional sports. Back when there was the facade of amateurism, I could be more supportive of collegiate athletics. But it is openly professional now, and that is not something I can support, not even with USU. Of course I am happy to see anything associated with USU do well, so I will always be happy to see USU athletics succeed. But I find it hard to donate money to support professional athletes, when my donations could be spent to support the educational mission of the university.
College sports in America is very, very weird. I don't think any other country as this bizarre education/sports industry hybrid. Growing up with it I didn't notice, but the older I get, the more I watch international sports, and the deeper I get into my own kid's sports future, the more surreal it all seems.



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Re: FCS

Post by SeattleAg » April 22nd, 2023, 11:16 am

SeattleAg wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 11:15 am
swordsman1989 wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 10:52 am
USUaggie wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 3:16 am
Universities have no place sponsoring professional sports. Follow the Ivy league model. No more athletic scholarships, just have tryouts from the students on campus. It will be more like club sports, but will use the nice stadiums and arenas, so crowds could still be large.

Throw the PE teachers a little bit extra $ to coach. Limit practice time so that players can be students. Only offer non commercial steaming of games, no more big TV money. Schedule mostly regional opponents to limit travel times and cost. Have mid day football game times in the late fall rather than be at the mercy of TV money forcing late night starts.

Revenue from ticket sales and concessions would role back into maintaining facilities and paying staff. Try to run this at a level that student athletic fees could be dropped or greatly reduced.

Try to get fellow MW universities to do the same, but ultimately this would go nation wide. Let the "Universitys" that want to be controlled by their sports programs continue the current crazy path. Hopefully there will be enough other schools participate to make this work.

I think I would enjoy this entertainment as much as I do now, maybe more because I think I would feel much more attached to the student athletes than I am feeling right now. We would still get to sit in Aggie stadium in the fall and enjoy watching the competition. Crisp winter nights could still be spent watching our team play basketball.

Perhaps some minor leagues could form for the athletes that want to be professional.
Completely agree. Universities should be about providing education, not running professional sports. Back when there was the facade of amateurism, I could be more supportive of collegiate athletics. But it is openly professional now, and that is not something I can support, not even with USU. Of course I am happy to see anything associated with USU do well, so I will always be happy to see USU athletics succeed. But I find it hard to donate money to support professional athletes, when my donations could be spent to support the educational mission of the university.
College sports in America are very, very weird. I don't think any other country has this bizarre education/sports industry hybrid. Growing up with it I didn't notice, but the older I get, the more I watch international sports, and the deeper I get into my own kid's sports future, the more surreal it all seems.



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Re: FCS

Post by Blue Sage » April 22nd, 2023, 11:35 am

stang wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 9:06 am
Madmartigan wrote:
AggieLifer wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 2:00 am
Never thought I say this but, forget it, let’s go FCS and bring fun back into fall.
Congrats on being featured in message board geniuses
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What a post to get attention when we are out recruiting… 😒


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Re: FCS

Post by Gidbob » April 22nd, 2023, 11:59 am

SeattleAg wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 11:15 am
swordsman1989 wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 10:52 am
USUaggie wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 3:16 am
Universities have no place sponsoring professional sports. Follow the Ivy league model. No more athletic scholarships, just have tryouts from the students on campus. It will be more like club sports, but will use the nice stadiums and arenas, so crowds could still be large.

Throw the PE teachers a little bit extra $ to coach. Limit practice time so that players can be students. Only offer non commercial steaming of games, no more big TV money. Schedule mostly regional opponents to limit travel times and cost. Have mid day football game times in the late fall rather than be at the mercy of TV money forcing late night starts.

Revenue from ticket sales and concessions would role back into maintaining facilities and paying staff. Try to run this at a level that student athletic fees could be dropped or greatly reduced.

Try to get fellow MW universities to do the same, but ultimately this would go nation wide. Let the "Universitys" that want to be controlled by their sports programs continue the current crazy path. Hopefully there will be enough other schools participate to make this work.

I think I would enjoy this entertainment as much as I do now, maybe more because I think I would feel much more attached to the student athletes than I am feeling right now. We would still get to sit in Aggie stadium in the fall and enjoy watching the competition. Crisp winter nights could still be spent watching our team play basketball.

Perhaps some minor leagues could form for the athletes that want to be professional.
Completely agree. Universities should be about providing education, not running professional sports. Back when there was the facade of amateurism, I could be more supportive of collegiate athletics. But it is openly professional now, and that is not something I can support, not even with USU. Of course I am happy to see anything associated with USU do well, so I will always be happy to see USU athletics succeed. But I find it hard to donate money to support professional athletes, when my donations could be spent to support the educational mission of the university.
College sports in America is very, very weird. I don't think any other country as this bizarre education/sports industry hybrid. Growing up with it I didn't notice, but the older I get, the more I watch international sports, and the deeper I get into my own kid's sports future, the more surreal it all seems.
I think some of it is due to the fact that pro sports, especially soccer, overseas have things we lack. Stuff like history, rivalries, having a connection to the community where moving to a new city isn't a thing that really happens, and we kind of use college sports to make up for what our pro sports lack.



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Re: FCS

Post by WannabeAgAlum » April 22nd, 2023, 3:18 pm

USUaggie wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 3:16 am
Universities have no place sponsoring professional sports. Follow the Ivy league model. No more athletic scholarships, just have tryouts from the students on campus. It will be more like club sports, but will use the nice stadiums and arenas, so crowds could still be large.

Throw the PE teachers a little bit extra $ to coach. Limit practice time so that players can be students. Only offer non commercial steaming of games, no more big TV money. Schedule mostly regional opponents to limit travel times and cost. Have mid day football game times in the late fall rather than be at the mercy of TV money forcing late night starts.

Revenue from ticket sales and concessions would role back into maintaining facilities and paying staff. Try to run this at a level that student athletic fees could be dropped or greatly reduced.

Try to get fellow MW universities to do the same, but ultimately this would go nation wide. Let the "Universitys" that want to be controlled by their sports programs continue the current crazy path. Hopefully there will be enough other schools participate to make this work.

I think I would enjoy this entertainment as much as I do now, maybe more because I think I would feel much more attached to the student athletes than I am feeling right now. We would still get to sit in Aggie stadium in the fall and enjoy watching the competition. Crisp winter nights could still be spent watching our team play basketball.

Perhaps some minor leagues could form for the athletes that want to be professional.
I like this idea. Heck, let's extend it to high schools as well.

First we need to figure out a way to unplug all the tv sets and streaming devices.



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Post by ultramagnus » April 22nd, 2023, 6:49 pm

Some perspective. USU is 1 year removed from winning the conference championship. I think rumors of the football programs demise have been greatly exaggerated.

This program has survived through decades of futility, independence, the Sun Belt, the WAC, lack of and attendance requirements, and the deal that was going to keep the WAC alive with BYU, along with who knows how many other obstacles to ultimately succeed in the MWC.

This is a new era but based on the past, I like our chances of getting this figured out.
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Re: FCS

Post by ViAggie » April 22nd, 2023, 11:43 pm

from LA Bowl Champs to this? Honesty though, I think there's probably a Sandbox Discussion to be had about where even College Enrolment is going. We have way more D1-FBS schools than we did even 25 years ago, but look what's happening to college enrolment, and why that is? Sigh....
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Re: FCS

Post by USUaggie » April 22nd, 2023, 11:50 pm

I love the success of the last 12 years! But it is not 2019 anymore.

Universities, ALL universities should not sponsor professional sports. I would like to see the entire MWC and all G5s split. Students and academics could lead the charge. Hopefully alumni will eventually come along.

P5s should eventually jettison professional sports, but will have a hard time giving up the $. Maybe someday the national concensus could force this, but it will be like taking someone's guns away for the SEC.
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Re: FCS

Post by FloridaAggie13 » April 23rd, 2023, 5:32 am

I don't think anyone stopped to think of what the outcome would be; or maybe they did, and they are okay with hundreds of universities subsidizing minor league professional sports.

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Re: FCS

Post by NavyBlueAggie » April 23rd, 2023, 8:45 am

GameFAQSAggie wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 8:42 am
The time to go FCS is when the top 30 or so schools break away to form the new FBS, and the rest of the schools unable to keep up with them become the new FCS.

This comment actually has some coherent, non confrontational direction to it. THX to GFA.

Financial insanity is enjoying a short burst of exuberance, slightly before the major changes arrive. Hang on folks, it will be interesting for a while.

Way too many hundreds of millions currently invested in college football as we know it for this out of control economic ignoramus to continue. The tax man, the attorneys and the criminals will soon enough end this madness.



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Re: FCS

Post by bwcrc » April 23rd, 2023, 10:12 am

AggieLifer wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 2:00 am
Never thought I say this but, forget it, let’s go FCS and bring fun back into fall.
So you want USU to turn into SUU or Idaho? It is not a mere coincidence that the substantial rise in USU's endowment and research funding has been at the same time as the reemergence of a quality football program. Quality athletic programs bring additional recognition to the school beyond the field or the court. Take away the D1 status of USU's sports teams and USU atrophies into SUU or Idaho.

The current status quo with transfers, NIL, and TV money isn't going to last. Some sort of regulation will come into place with transfers and NIL that will somewhat tame the absolute wildness into something a bit more predictable and manageable. And the TV money is going to drastically slow in the coming years. When it does, there are a lot of big programs that will be really hurting because they are leveraged out the wazoo. On that front, USU is probably well-positioned to weather the storm and may even be able to continue improving.



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Re: FCS

Post by brian5562 » April 23rd, 2023, 12:39 pm

College sports at least the 2 major ones became professional long before NIL. The minute coaches started becoming the highest paid employees at the school, corporate sponsors, contracts with concession vendors, naming rights on a stadium, conferences signing tv deals. Etc etc etc.



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Re: FCS

Post by hickaggie » April 23rd, 2023, 2:30 pm

bwcrc wrote:
April 23rd, 2023, 10:12 am
AggieLifer wrote:
April 22nd, 2023, 2:00 am
Never thought I say this but, forget it, let’s go FCS and bring fun back into fall.
So you want USU to turn into SUU or Idaho? It is not a mere coincidence that the substantial rise in USU's endowment and research funding has been at the same time as the reemergence of a quality football program. Quality athletic programs bring additional recognition to the school beyond the field or the court. Take away the D1 status of USU's sports teams and USU atrophies into SUU or Idaho.

The current status quo with transfers, NIL, and TV money isn't going to last. Some sort of regulation will come into place with transfers and NIL that will somewhat tame the absolute wildness into something a bit more predictable and manageable. And the TV money is going to drastically slow in the coming years. When it does, there are a lot of big programs that will be really hurting because they are leveraged out the wazoo. On that front, USU is probably well-positioned to weather the storm and may even be able to continue improving.
In my mind the question isn't whether USU can weather the storm. Its just a matter of interest in a bunch of mercenaries coming together every year to play a minor league level of football at the sloppy levels that the yearly turnover inevitably entails. I've always been a college guy for the variety of play, the less slick corporate feel of it all, and the idea that its more about local rivalries, tradition, and love of football.

None of those things really exist to the extent they ever really did I guess other than the variety of offenses and defense styles facing off which is my biggest beef with the NFL. College is kind of losing that too with the focus on 7 on 7 (I can't express myself without swearing), prevalence of zone blocking schemes, and generic variations of what originally was the run and shoot and the spread with similar simplified offenses because they have to teach a whole new team every year.

Hard to see the draw right now, but here I am..lol
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Re: FCS

Post by TrueAG » April 23rd, 2023, 6:17 pm

Drama Drama Drama...Big picture nothing has change in our pecking order.



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Re: FCS

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » April 24th, 2023, 12:06 am

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Never thought I say this but, forget it, let’s go FCS and bring fun back into fall.
It wouldn't be as fun. Winning at the highest level possible is the most fun. Beating wazzu, SDSU and Oregon State in the same year doesn't happen if we go fcs
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Re: FCS

Post by ag4fr » April 24th, 2023, 11:43 am

I am out on Dropping to FCS. It is a bone-headed idea.

We are in a great and competitive league that fits us very well.
There may be a few defections up or down.
Unless the MWC gets totally blown up, we just need to be a steadying influence.

The elevation of the P5 leagues above our level is already enough separation and destabilization. Now add to that, the further SEC/B1G separation.

In the future, there may be further destabilization influences. Unless a clear-cut conference opportunity presents, we should stay content for the time being and continue to work on more growth from within (facilities, endowment, NIL deals, etc.)

I believe our scheduling philosophy should be super simple and it should not vary a whole lot year to year.

1. MWC Schedule per Standardized Rotation (4 Home, 4 Away)
2. Home OOC Schedule (1 Competitve FBS (G5) and 1 Likely Win (FCS) with Regional Interest
3. Away OOC Schedule (1 Competitive FBS (G5) and 1 Money Game (P5 or SEC/B1G)

It seems reasonable to try our level best not to load any one year's schedule too heavy or too light as far as opponents on the docket.

In the years we are gong to play a very tough OOC opponent on the road, let's also do our best to balance that with a likely OOC win (FCS) at home.

We want to be bowl eligible every year. Let's schedule for success with that in mind.

Don't overthink this.
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