Two critical plays

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » November 25th, 2022, 1:54 pm

1. The dropped TD pass in the 3rd quarter resulting in a field goal.
2. Legas' underthrow of McGriff by about ten yards on the final drive.

Without the dropped TD pass, the score is tied at 28 on the final drive and we would have been running clock to kick the go-ahead FG. Or, if Legas hits McGriff in-stride, or close to in-stride, he walks in for the go-ahead TD instead of just a sizeable gain.

Good teams don't leave points on the field like that.

Elkaggie · Post by **Elkaggie** » November 25th, 2022, 1:56 pm

I would also argue the unsportsmanlike against Lapuaho that took us out of FG range. Huge mistake.

Post by **aggies22** » November 25th, 2022, 1:56 pm

QB draw on 3rd down from the 8. Stupid.

sammyhagar · Post by **sammyhagar** » November 25th, 2022, 2:01 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 1:56 pm
QB draw on 3rd down from the 8. Stupid.

yup one of the worst calls, everyone knew it was coming.

gomretat · Post by **gomretat** » November 25th, 2022, 2:02 pm

Elkaggie wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 1:56 pm
I would also argue the unsportsmanlike against Lapuaho that took us out of FG range. Huge mistake.

Agreed. This play has significant impact. We get 3 on that drive and the end of game plays and strategy are completely changed.

Elkaggie · Post by **Elkaggie** » November 25th, 2022, 2:04 pm

gomretat wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 2:02 pm

Elkaggie wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 1:56 pm
I would also argue the unsportsmanlike against Lapuaho that took us out of FG range. Huge mistake.
Agreed. This play has significant impact. We get 3 on that drive and the end of game plays and strategy are completely changed.

They also scored on a Very short field on the very next drive. That play could have changed everything.

WAAggie · Post by **WAAggie** » November 25th, 2022, 2:05 pm

The stupid pounce on the Boise guy on the ground by 61 ( I think) that was way behind the play stopped a drive that then resulted in the missed fg.

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FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » November 25th, 2022, 2:09 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 1:56 pm
QB draw on 3rd down from the 8. Stupid.

Especially because everyone knew it was coming because we've run it now for about two months in the same situation.

Post by **Aglicious** » November 25th, 2022, 3:01 pm

Yeah, I will never understand any of our play calls once we had gone to McGriff multiple times in a row to have it 1st and 10 at the 15 yard line. I will really never understand the 3rd down and 6 call of a QB draw after timeouts to discuss it.

I was happy to finally see some creativity from Tucker in this game. It took all season but we finally got a little creative. Of course the situations were not exactly great for some of it....like the 4th and 1. What we lack most from our OC is great play design. Simple solid play calls that create a mismatch or are not defendable for gains of 3-6 yards when we need them to extend drives or win games.

I thought the announcers in the SJSU game said it perfectly. They pointed out how our scheme makes it very difficult for success when we have something as simple as an incomplete pass. The pace we play with almost turns to a negative when we go 3 and out in such a hurry. It becomes deflating to the entire team. The scheme needs to change or the personnel needs to be vastly more talented if this offense is ever going to work. If a new OC brings either of these changes then I'm all for making the switch. In reality though, I don't think we see any changes with coordinators.

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » November 25th, 2022, 3:02 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 1:54 pm
1. The dropped TD pass in the 3rd quarter resulting in a field goal.
2. Legas' underthrow of McGriff by about ten yards on the final drive.

Without the dropped TD pass, the score is tied at 28 on the final drive and we would have been running clock to kick the go-ahead FG. Or, if Legas hits McGriff in-stride, or close to in-stride, he walks in for the go-ahead TD instead of just a sizeable gain.

Good teams don't leave points on the field like that.

That dropped TD was crucial.
As for the McGriff pass it was one of many poorly thrown balls. I'm not sure Legas can make the throws we need.

bwcrc · Post by **bwcrc** » November 25th, 2022, 3:13 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 1:56 pm
QB draw on 3rd down from the 8. Stupid.

As was the decision making during the play before where Legas had all the time to throw but couldn't find anyone open so he threw it away. He could have at least run to pick up a couple of yards.

Post by **aggies22** » November 25th, 2022, 3:35 pm

WAAggie wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 2:05 pm
The stupid pounce on the Boise guy on the ground by 61 ( I think) that was way behind the play stopped a drive that then resulted in the missed fg.

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But if that dude jumps back up and tracks Coop down for a tackle or forces a fumble from behind everyone is pissed that somebody didn't block him.

Post by **aggies22** » November 25th, 2022, 3:36 pm

bwcrc wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 3:13 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 1:56 pm
QB draw on 3rd down from the 8. Stupid.
As was the decision making during the play before where Legas had all the time to throw but couldn't find anyone open so he threw it away. He could have at least run to pick up a couple of yards.

I thought the same thing.

gomretat · Post by **gomretat** » November 25th, 2022, 4:43 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 3:02 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 1:54 pm
1. The dropped TD pass in the 3rd quarter resulting in a field goal.
2. Legas' underthrow of McGriff by about ten yards on the final drive.

Without the dropped TD pass, the score is tied at 28 on the final drive and we would have been running clock to kick the go-ahead FG. Or, if Legas hits McGriff in-stride, or close to in-stride, he walks in for the go-ahead TD instead of just a sizeable gain.

Good teams don't leave points on the field like that.
That dropped TD was crucial.
As for the McGriff pass it was one of many poorly thrown balls. I'm not sure Legas can make the throws we need.

I have been wondering the same thing about Coop. Maybe its just me but there seem to be a lot of passes that are short and behind guys.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » November 25th, 2022, 4:55 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 3:02 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 1:54 pm
1. The dropped TD pass in the 3rd quarter resulting in a field goal.
2. Legas' underthrow of McGriff by about ten yards on the final drive.

Without the dropped TD pass, the score is tied at 28 on the final drive and we would have been running clock to kick the go-ahead FG. Or, if Legas hits McGriff in-stride, or close to in-stride, he walks in for the go-ahead TD instead of just a sizeable gain.

Good teams don't leave points on the field like that.
That dropped TD was crucial.
As for the McGriff pass it was one of many poorly thrown balls. I'm not sure Legas can make the throws we need.

The deep ball to Vaughns was perfect, but there were two passes into the seam on blown coverages that probably would have been touchdowns with a better throw.

I'm hoping he just needs more playing time because he's a gamer and an obvious leader.

gomretat · Post by **gomretat** » November 25th, 2022, 5:41 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 4:55 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 3:02 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 1:54 pm
1. The dropped TD pass in the 3rd quarter resulting in a field goal.
2. Legas' underthrow of McGriff by about ten yards on the final drive.

Without the dropped TD pass, the score is tied at 28 on the final drive and we would have been running clock to kick the go-ahead FG. Or, if Legas hits McGriff in-stride, or close to in-stride, he walks in for the go-ahead TD instead of just a sizeable gain.

Good teams don't leave points on the field like that.
That dropped TD was crucial.
As for the McGriff pass it was one of many poorly thrown balls. I'm not sure Legas can make the throws we need.
The deep ball to Vaughns was perfect, but there were two passes into the seam on blown coverages that probably would have been touchdowns with a better throw.

I'm hoping he just needs more playing time because he's a gamer and an obvious leader.

Definitely agree. Coop is a gamer and he brings it all of the time.

FeartheFro · Post by **FeartheFro** » November 25th, 2022, 6:47 pm

I just hope it is an open-minded competition next year for the start in game one. If Davenport outperforms Legas, give him the start.

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Elkaggie · Post by **Elkaggie** » November 25th, 2022, 7:38 pm

He had some good throws and a few bad ones. The announcers last week were raving about his passes and I think at one point he completed 9 in a row.

Coach has mentioned several times that they can’t keep him out of the film room and practice field. It’s too bad he didn’t get a couple games under his belt earlier in the year. It would have really helped him in a game like today.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » November 25th, 2022, 7:43 pm

Elkaggie wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 7:38 pm
He had some good throws and a few bad ones. The announcers last week were raving about his passes and I think at one point he completed 9 in a row.

Coach has mentioned several times that they can’t keep him out of the film room and practice field. It’s too bad he didn’t get a couple games under his belt earlier in the year. It would have really helped him in a game like today.

He is a work in progress at reading defenses but it will slow down for him to make quicker/better decisions. He is for sure a gamer and leaves it all out on the field. Including the OSU game last year since he played most of the game but excluding the CSU game this year since he only play a quarter he is 5-2 as the starter. That is pretty damn good and will only continue to improve in my opinion.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » November 25th, 2022, 7:44 pm

Elkaggie wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 7:38 pm
He had some good throws and a few bad ones. The announcers last week were raving about his passes and I think at one point he completed 9 in a row.

Coach has mentioned several times that they can’t keep him out of the film room and practice field. It’s too bad he didn’t get a couple games under his belt earlier in the year. It would have really helped him in a game like today.

The announcers last week were also talking about how he was late and floating his passes. This was his seventh start of the season so I don't think coming in at halftime of the UNLV game would have translated to him being any better today. His long TD to Vaughns was a great pass but his underthrow to McGriff was really bad and probably cost a touchdown. He's a gamer and obviously the leader so hopefully, just more snaps and more throws will lead to greater consistency.

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » November 25th, 2022, 7:49 pm

Elkaggie wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 7:38 pm
He had some good throws and a few bad ones. The announcers last week were raving about his passes and I think at one point he completed 9 in a row.

Coach has mentioned several times that they can’t keep him out of the film room and practice field. It’s too bad he didn’t get a couple games under his belt earlier in the year. It would have really helped him in a game like today.

9 passes in a row with an ADOT of 6 yards.

Aggiefan160 · Post by **Aggiefan160** » November 25th, 2022, 7:57 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 3:35 pm

WAAggie wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 2:05 pm
The stupid pounce on the Boise guy on the ground by 61 ( I think) that was way behind the play stopped a drive that then resulted in the missed fg.

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But if that dude jumps back up and tracks Coop down for a tackle or forces a fumble from behind everyone is pissed that somebody didn't block him.

I need to watch it again. In real time, I thought the ledge dove lineman fell and the player basically tripped and fell onto him, but I’d have to see a replay.

Post by **Aglicious** » November 25th, 2022, 8:01 pm

Aggiefan160 wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 7:57 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 3:35 pm

WAAggie wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 2:05 pm
The stupid pounce on the Boise guy on the ground by 61 ( I think) that was way behind the play stopped a drive that then resulted in the missed fg.

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But if that dude jumps back up and tracks Coop down for a tackle or forces a fumble from behind everyone is pissed that somebody didn't block him.
I need to watch it again. In real time, I thought the ledge dove lineman fell and the player basically tripped and fell onto him, but I’d have to see a replay.

I thought Weylin just tripped on the lineman too in real time but when they showed the replay it was obvious that he dove down into the back of the lineman on the ground and could have been ejected for targeting too as he lowered his head and got the defensive lineman right in the back of the helmet.

dyedblue · Post by **dyedblue** » November 26th, 2022, 12:09 am

There us no doubt this was the dumbest penalty of the year and cost us big time. It’s not the first dumb penalty in him either. The guy was sprawled out in the ground, there was no trip, and he speared him. Total BYU-like cheap shot. Killed a promising drive that lead to a blocked FG and immediate TD in a game where we were standing toe to toe with the premier team in our league.

sneed · Post by **sneed** » November 26th, 2022, 7:22 am

aggies22 wrote:
bwcrc wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 3:13 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2022, 1:56 pm
QB draw on 3rd down from the 8. Stupid.
As was the decision making during the play before where Legas had all the time to throw but couldn't find anyone open so he threw it away. He could have at least run to pick up a couple of yards.
I thought the same thing.

This is the play that stood out to me too. We were moving fine but the throw away killed us. If he decided to run he makes 3rd down a lot easier.

newhouse9 · Post by **newhouse9** » November 26th, 2022, 12:39 pm

A number of critical errors…such a winnable game too. Doggone it.

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GUS · Post by **GUS** » November 26th, 2022, 4:02 pm

How about the 4 big plays that the defense let go for touchdowns. Can't allow the opponent to have that many big plays.

Post by **AggiesForever** » November 26th, 2022, 4:41 pm

The run by Green for 91 yards exposed a problem we have had all year. Whom ever we have that is supposed to be turning the runs inside either isn't doing their job, or is so slow they can't do it. There is no way he should have been able to bounce that run outside and literally have nobody there to turn him inside. Defenses simply are not designed that poorly. So somebody was taking a chance, left their spot, and now you have a 91-yard run untouched for six

Coloraggie · Post by **Coloraggie** » November 29th, 2022, 10:31 am

AggiesForever wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2022, 4:41 pm
The run by Green for 91 yards exposed a problem we have had all year. Whom ever we have that is supposed to be turning the runs inside either isn't doing their job, or is so slow they can't do it. There is no way he should have been able to bounce that run outside and literally have nobody there to turn him inside. Defenses simply are not designed that poorly. So somebody was taking a chance, left their spot, and now you have a 91-yard run untouched for six

I was thinking that our defense thought that when another team is trying to run clock then they have to run it straight up the middle because that is all our offense does. I would like our team to realize that when running down the clock you can still have innovative running plays with the instruction to go down if you have to before going out of bounds.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » November 29th, 2022, 10:34 am

Coloraggie wrote: ↑
November 29th, 2022, 10:31 am

AggiesForever wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2022, 4:41 pm
The run by Green for 91 yards exposed a problem we have had all year. Whom ever we have that is supposed to be turning the runs inside either isn't doing their job, or is so slow they can't do it. There is no way he should have been able to bounce that run outside and literally have nobody there to turn him inside. Defenses simply are not designed that poorly. So somebody was taking a chance, left their spot, and now you have a 91-yard run untouched for six
I was thinking that our defense thought that when another team is trying to run clock then they have to run it straight up the middle because that is all our offense does. I would like our team to realize that when running down the clock you can still have innovative running plays with the instruction to go down if you have to before going out of bounds.

The same thing needs to be taught on 4th and 1. There have been 2-3 times on 4th and 1 when the offense is all tight at the line of scrimmage leading the defense to think that the play will be right up the middle only to have to have them fake the hand off up the middle and get to the outside with no contain.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » November 29th, 2022, 10:37 am

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
November 29th, 2022, 10:34 am

Coloraggie wrote: ↑
November 29th, 2022, 10:31 am

AggiesForever wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2022, 4:41 pm
The run by Green for 91 yards exposed a problem we have had all year. Whom ever we have that is supposed to be turning the runs inside either isn't doing their job, or is so slow they can't do it. There is no way he should have been able to bounce that run outside and literally have nobody there to turn him inside. Defenses simply are not designed that poorly. So somebody was taking a chance, left their spot, and now you have a 91-yard run untouched for six
I was thinking that our defense thought that when another team is trying to run clock then they have to run it straight up the middle because that is all our offense does. I would like our team to realize that when running down the clock you can still have innovative running plays with the instruction to go down if you have to before going out of bounds.
The same thing needs to be taught on 4th and 1. There have been 2-3 times on 4th and 1 when the offense is all tight at the line of scrimmage leading the defense to think that the play will be right up the middle only to have to have them fake the hand off up the middle and get to the outside with no contain.

"Wait, are we allowed to do that...?" -- Anthony Tucker

Aggiefan160 · Post by **Aggiefan160** » November 29th, 2022, 11:52 am

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
November 29th, 2022, 10:34 am

Coloraggie wrote: ↑
November 29th, 2022, 10:31 am

AggiesForever wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2022, 4:41 pm
The run by Green for 91 yards exposed a problem we have had all year. Whom ever we have that is supposed to be turning the runs inside either isn't doing their job, or is so slow they can't do it. There is no way he should have been able to bounce that run outside and literally have nobody there to turn him inside. Defenses simply are not designed that poorly. So somebody was taking a chance, left their spot, and now you have a 91-yard run untouched for six
I was thinking that our defense thought that when another team is trying to run clock then they have to run it straight up the middle because that is all our offense does. I would like our team to realize that when running down the clock you can still have innovative running plays with the instruction to go down if you have to before going out of bounds.
The same thing needs to be taught on 4th and 1. There have been 2-3 times on 4th and 1 when the offense is all tight at the line of scrimmage leading the defense to think that the play will be right up the middle only to have to have them fake the hand off up the middle and get to the outside with no contain.

Seems to me this is a lack of discipline/coaching (not sure which) on the defense. Whoever is supposed to have contain (presumably the DE) is biting hard on the dive, and losing contain. I know I've seen Hunter Reynolds bite really hard on dive plays to have the ball pulled and the ball carrier run through the hole he just vacated.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » November 29th, 2022, 12:31 pm

Aggiefan160 wrote: ↑
November 29th, 2022, 11:52 am

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
November 29th, 2022, 10:34 am

Coloraggie wrote: ↑
November 29th, 2022, 10:31 am

AggiesForever wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2022, 4:41 pm
The run by Green for 91 yards exposed a problem we have had all year. Whom ever we have that is supposed to be turning the runs inside either isn't doing their job, or is so slow they can't do it. There is no way he should have been able to bounce that run outside and literally have nobody there to turn him inside. Defenses simply are not designed that poorly. So somebody was taking a chance, left their spot, and now you have a 91-yard run untouched for six
I was thinking that our defense thought that when another team is trying to run clock then they have to run it straight up the middle because that is all our offense does. I would like our team to realize that when running down the clock you can still have innovative running plays with the instruction to go down if you have to before going out of bounds.
The same thing needs to be taught on 4th and 1. There have been 2-3 times on 4th and 1 when the offense is all tight at the line of scrimmage leading the defense to think that the play will be right up the middle only to have to have them fake the hand off up the middle and get to the outside with no contain.
Seems to me this is a lack of discipline/coaching (not sure which) on the defense. Whoever is supposed to have contain (presumably the DE) is biting hard on the dive, and losing contain. I know I've seen Hunter Reynolds bite really hard on dive plays to have the ball pulled and the ball carrier run through the hole he just vacated.

My guess is in that specific situation on Saturday, with BSU trying to run out the clock and USU needing a stop, the defense was selling out on the dive guessing that BSU wouldn't want to risk the QB getting tackled in the backfield and giving up five yards.

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