What determines if a play is reviewable?

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What determines if a play is reviewable?

Post by SectionBAggie » September 26th, 2022, 8:22 pm

I watched three plays on replay and then deleted the game.

I am absolutely flummoxed by the review that led to the kneel on the ground call on the punter. Yes, I know it happened.

But in the replay the white hat official was visible and made no call or motion for a dead ball. None of the other officials seemed to consider it a dead ball in live action.

It truly felt like they went to review either the call on the contact on the punt or to see if there was an issue with the personal foul and discovered that they missed the knee on the ground.

I (with no in depth knowledge) thought that the only viable reason to review was to determine if a call that had taken place was correct. Until Saturday I don't believe that I have seen a missed call corrected during the review. But if it wasn't a missed call why did the play continue? And why did there appear to be no discussion or action regarding the downed knee until after the (lengthy) review?

Can anyone clear this up?



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Re: What determines if a play is reviewable?

Post by NavyBlueAggie » September 26th, 2022, 8:29 pm

A few seasons ago I was a guest in the SUITE section on the west side. So many different angles of replays of those being reviewed. IIRC, Air Force got a huge break in a tight game when it was obvious the T D was out of bounds, and when A F got the call in their favor, those of us with the various vantage points were stunned.

To answer your legitimate question, I believe those reviews are subjective and mistake prone. Agreed, the play you speak of was a way late and long discussion and the puinters knee on the ground was seemingly an afterthought... I E, Look what I just discovered?

That review should go the MWC review board for further examination, and honestly, the on site review team leaves some questions in my mind.



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Re: What determines if a play is reviewable?

Post by Full » September 26th, 2022, 8:32 pm

NavyBlueAggie wrote:
September 26th, 2022, 8:29 pm
A few seasons ago I was a guest in the SUITE section on the west side. So many different angles of replays of those being reviewed. IIRC, Air Force got a huge break in a tight game when it was obvious the T D was out of bounds, and when A F got the call in their favor, those of us with the various vantage points were stunned.

To answer your legitimate question, I believe those reviews are subjective and mistake prone. Agreed, the play you speak of was a way late and long discussion and the puinters knee on the ground was seemingly an afterthought... I E, Look what I just discovered?

That review should go the MWC review board for further examination, and honestly, the on site review team leaves some questions in my mind.
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Re: What determines if a play is reviewable?

Post by NVAggie » September 26th, 2022, 8:47 pm

I think the rule should be changed for college and high school. Kickers should be able to bend down and pick up a ball.
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Re: What determines if a play is reviewable?

Post by Imakeitrain » September 26th, 2022, 9:04 pm

I believe basically most plays are reviewable. Most penalties aren’t but even some penalties are (Ie targeting and forward laterals)

They have some mechanism that they’re buzzed in. I think they should greatly reduce booth reviews. These games take way too long and it’s annoying when our game gets pushed to the cbs sports app or espn plus or something because there isn’t always enough time between games.



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Re: What determines if a play is reviewable?

Post by Agsman » September 26th, 2022, 9:11 pm

So, I was watching a college game within the last couple of weeks. There was a play during that game that was borderline fumble/incomplete pass. They let the "fumble" result play out. After the play, the refs converged, called the play an incomplete pass, and immediately said the play was under review. It was indeed a fumble.

As for the USU play. I suspect that someone thought they saw the knee touch, but wasn't sure. So, they let the play "play-out" in the event that he is wrong and it gets overturned. So once the play is over, they converge, and decide. Once they decide, go straight to the replay to see if his knee actually touched.

My hope is that a ref actually saw the knee touch, and they were just letting the play go to be safe. If they are actually using the replay to retroactively catch their missed calls, that would be completely new approach to officiating. I actually wish they could retroactively call face masks, or other personal fouls.

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Re: What determines if a play is reviewable?

Post by Imakeitrain » September 26th, 2022, 9:14 pm

Agsman wrote:
September 26th, 2022, 9:11 pm
So, I was watching a college game within the last couple of weeks. There was a play during that game that was borderline fumble/incomplete pass. They let the "fumble" result play out. After the play, the refs converged, called the play an incomplete pass, and immediately said the play was under review. It was indeed a fumble.

As for the USU play. I suspect that someone thought they saw the knee touch, but wasn't sure. So, they let the play "play-out" in the event that he is wrong and it gets overturned. So once the play is over, they converge, and decide. Once they decide, go straight to the replay to see if his knee actually touched.

My hope is that a ref actually saw the knee touch, and they were just letting the play go to be safe. If they are actually using the replay to retroactively catch their missed calls, that would be completely new approach to officiating. I actually wish they could retroactively call face masks, or other personal fouls.

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Re: What determines if a play is reviewable?

Post by tipitup » September 27th, 2022, 9:16 am

if you watch the replay of it, the back judge behind kotsanlee seemed to see something and started in to make a call, the camera leaves then so i don't know what else he did.



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Re: What determines if a play is reviewable?

Post by Aglicious » September 27th, 2022, 1:23 pm

As soon as Kotsanlee got the kick away he also turned his head to check the refs and see if there was going to be a flag. He was aware that it was close.



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Re: What determines if a play is reviewable?

Post by arkstfan » September 27th, 2022, 10:13 pm

Whether or not a player is down is reviewable.

2015 ULM punter's knee was down and I was on sidelines going nuts, white hat shoots me a look, replay stopped the game. AState ball at the 5, one play later TD Red Wolves.
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