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Are the guardian caps for specific players, positions or just random

Post by BeNo » August 1st, 2022, 5:04 pm

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Re: Are the guardian caps for specific players, positions or just random

Post by travelingagg » August 1st, 2022, 6:55 pm

Looks like they can decrease the chance someone gets a concussion. Nice move:

https://www.chicagobears.com/news/guard ... ian%20Caps.
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Re: Are the guardian caps for specific players, positions or just random

Post by aggies22 » August 1st, 2022, 7:07 pm

I think all the offensive and defensive linemen are wearing them and then it looks like players that may have had concussion issues in the past are also wearing them.



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Re: Are the guardian caps for specific players, positions or just random

Post by AggieBlues » August 1st, 2022, 7:28 pm

Make 'em permanent in-game equipment. That way I can giggle at their giant heads while they're lining up and feel less guilty about being entertained by such a brutal sport for brain injuries. I love football with all my heart, but man I wish it weren't so traumatic for many guys later in life.


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Re: Are the guardian caps for specific players, positions or just random

Post by BigBlueDart » August 2nd, 2022, 9:53 am

I think they look silly. They should just make extend the helmet hard shell around all the padding like this:

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Re: Are the guardian caps for specific players, positions or just random

Post by trevordude » August 2nd, 2022, 11:41 am

Adding mass to the helmet increasers concussion chances, adds more whip that your neck can't fight against.

I'm sure these are effective in practice, but I wonder in games at full speed how they would hold up
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Re: Are the guardian caps for specific players, positions or just random

Post by BigBlueDart » August 2nd, 2022, 12:12 pm

trevordude wrote:
August 2nd, 2022, 11:41 am
Adding mass to the helmet increasers concussion chances, adds more whip that your next can't fight against.

I'm sure these are effective in practice, but I wonder in games at full speed how they would hold up
How much mass is being added, though? It's a foam pad wrap.



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Re: Are the guardian caps for specific players, positions or just random

Post by QuackAttackAggie » August 2nd, 2022, 12:14 pm

trevordude wrote:
August 2nd, 2022, 11:41 am
Adding mass to the helmet increasers concussion chances, adds more whip that your next can't fight against.

I'm sure these are effective in practice, but I wonder in games at full speed how they would hold up
they decrease impact forces by 10% if one person has one on and 20% if both do.

I'm not sure I buy the more mass argument. A helmet adds more mass than a bare skull, but I'll take the helmet. And I think I'd take a helmet with a pillowy exterior too.
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Re: Are the guardian caps for specific players, positions or just random

Post by trevordude » August 2nd, 2022, 4:52 pm

Force reduction doesn't necessarily equal concussion reduction.

Helmets are designed to prevent fractures and abrasions, so they're obviously necessary. Ideally it would weigh 0lbs, but alas.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/321 ... d-injuries
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Re: Are the guardian caps for specific players, positions or just random

Post by hickaggie » August 3rd, 2022, 1:42 pm

trevordude wrote:
August 2nd, 2022, 11:41 am
Adding mass to the helmet increasers concussion chances, adds more whip that your neck can't fight against.

I'm sure these are effective in practice, but I wonder in games at full speed how they would hold up
That's always been my contention with the post CTE study helmets. I don't know about these new Guardians but the size and weight differences don't make much sense and I have used helmet designs spanning from the 90s-2015 or so and have experience with essentially 3 different design eras. I know receivers in particular struggled to adjust. Call me skeptical.
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Re: Are the guardian caps for specific players, positions or just random

Post by dirtnsnow » August 10th, 2022, 12:11 pm



It makes them look like little kids playing.


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Re: Are the guardian caps for specific players, positions or just random

Post by tipitup » August 10th, 2022, 12:54 pm

from that video the rushing looks about the same, hand off and run into 3 guys, at least one of your own



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Re: Are the guardian caps for specific players, positions or just random

Post by travelingagg » August 10th, 2022, 1:04 pm

trevordude wrote:
August 2nd, 2022, 11:41 am
Adding mass to the helmet increasers concussion chances, adds more whip that your neck can't fight against.

I'm sure these are effective in practice, but I wonder in games at full speed how they would hold up
Per this 2017 article in the JTRM in Kinesiology journal, "On average, participants reported a 40.5% decrease in concussions per year after transitioning to using Guardian Caps with their youth or high school football players." The evidence isn't overwhelming, but it's stronger than the anecdotes and opinions I see in this thread, so I'll side with the emerging science on Guardian Caps until I see better-competing evidence.

https://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ1156254


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Re: Are the guardian caps for specific players, positions or just random

Post by dirtnsnow » August 10th, 2022, 1:38 pm

tipitup wrote:
August 10th, 2022, 12:54 pm
from that video the rushing looks about the same, hand off and run into 3 guys, at least one of your own
I was just referring to disproportionately large heads.


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Re: Are the guardian caps for specific players, positions or just random

Post by NavyBlueAggie » August 10th, 2022, 1:58 pm

Many years ago in prep footfall I saw a few helmets with an external pad running from the top to the back of the headgear. At that point it seemed to increase the impact torque and twisting on the players neck. On impact I noted little difference, even crown to crown when I was personally involved. The idea got no traction and the helmet just went away.
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Re: Are the guardian caps for specific players, positions or just random

Post by trevordude » August 10th, 2022, 3:23 pm

travelingagg wrote:
August 10th, 2022, 1:04 pm
trevordude wrote:
August 2nd, 2022, 11:41 am
Adding mass to the helmet increasers concussion chances, adds more whip that your neck can't fight against.

I'm sure these are effective in practice, but I wonder in games at full speed how they would hold up
Per this 2017 article in the JTRM in Kinesiology journal, "On average, participants reported a 40.5% decrease in concussions per year after transitioning to using Guardian Caps with their youth or high school football players." The evidence isn't overwhelming, but it's stronger than the anecdotes and opinions I see in this thread, so I'll side with the emerging science on Guardian Caps until I see better-competing evidence.

https://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ1156254

It is evidence that there may be some improvement, but it's a pretty weak study, they got survey data from 30 respondents. They state there is no conflict of interest, but also say all the participants for their survey were provided by Guardian Caps. I hope more studies come out that show effectiveness and there's less concussions.

"First, this study sought to determine the perceived effectiveness of using Guardian Caps in
preventing concussions in youth and high school football players. As estimated by the participants,
a 40.5% decrease in yearly concussions were seen with the use of Guardian Caps. No past
empirical research could be found to compare this figure, but as previously mentioned, Guardian
(2015) claims that Guardian Caps reduce impact up to 33% while the American Academy of Neurology (2015) found that linear accelerations were reduced by 11% and angular accelerations
by 2% compared to traditional helmets. Regarding the present study, it is not clear whether the
estimated 40.5% reductions in yearly concussions are solely due to Guardian Cap use or whether
other methods (i.e., reduced contact during practices, safer tackling or blocking techniques, coach
or player education, etc.) may have also impacted these results. In addition, the participant reported
concussion figures were estimates and not actual recorded data so caution must be heeded when
evaluating this finding. Moreover, the reduced concussion rate of 40.5% found in this study must
also be carefully considered given this study’s low response rate and differences in the duration of
experience using Guardian Caps within the sample. Future research should include a larger sample
and compare officially diagnosed and recorded concussion figures before and after Guardian Cap
use."


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