aggies22 wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 10:47 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 9:49 am

I'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.

Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon

Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -

On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.

Still, ZERO chance Elelyon is allowed to return. If we were taking Elelyon back, we would have taken Cam Lampkin back as well.

aggies22 wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 2:24 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 9:49 am

I'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.

Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon

Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -

On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.

You can add Josh Calvin to Fullerton Community College to your list bro.

aggies22 wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 5:10 pm

LKGates wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 5:06 pm

OK. I have a hypothetical. If Noa went and did a year of penance at an FCS program, would we take him back then?

Haha! Choosing to leave Utah State was the decision of the Noa camp. It's not like he was suspended. It was HIS choice to walk away from the Aggies. Entering the transfer portal is a crap shoot.

aggies22 wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 4:54 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 4:45 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 2:24 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 9:49 am

I'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.

Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon

Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -

On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.

You can add Josh Calvin to Fullerton Community College to your list bro.

When did Calvin leave? Wasn't he a 3 star recruit?

He was indeed a 3-star recruit but he was clearly buried on the depth chart. He was 4th at best behind Bonner, Peasley, and Legas. Peasley bailed and we added Levi Williams AND Bishop Davenport and Chase Tuatagaloa. The writing was on the wall and Josh did not return after school reconvened in January.

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 11:31 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 10:47 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 9:49 am

I'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.

Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon

Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -

On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.

Still, ZERO chance Elelyon is allowed to return. If we were taking Elelyon back, we would have taken Cam Lampkin back as well.

Yeah they can't relax on this stance. If they do players will do it all the time.

hickaggie wrote: ↑

July 21st, 2022, 11:15 am

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 11:31 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 10:47 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 9:49 am

I'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.

Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon

Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -

On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.

Still, ZERO chance Elelyon is allowed to return. If we were taking Elelyon back, we would have taken Cam Lampkin back as well.

Yeah they can't relax on this stance. If they do players will do it all the time.

It goes beyond the concern of increasing portal entries. Whether it be for greener pastures or whatever reason, that kid has left his teammates, and usually with the sentiment that either he was not getting the playing time deserved, or that he was too good for them. Add to that the fact that you would be taking a scholly away from a recruit, or leave a walk-on who had earned one in limbo, it has the potential to be very bad for team chemistry. That isn't always the case of course but it is just another reason for a unambiguous consistent policy.

I don't think it should be foreclosed completely. Allowing someone to return as a walk-on (for at least a year) with the unanimous vote of the team would be OK with me, but I would venture that the stars aligning for such a circumstance would be extraordinarily rare. If someone like Noa went that route I think an exception might be appropriate.

Offering an immediate renewed scholarship should never occur absent some sort of extraordinary circumstance in the reasons for the transfer and only provided that the return adds immediate value to the team both talent wise and chemistry wise. Deven Thompkins comes to mind, but even that situation occurred in the mist of a coaching change.

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑

July 21st, 2022, 11:31 am

hickaggie wrote: ↑

July 21st, 2022, 11:15 am

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 11:31 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 10:47 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 9:49 am

I'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.

Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon

Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -

On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.

Still, ZERO chance Elelyon is allowed to return. If we were taking Elelyon back, we would have taken Cam Lampkin back as well.

Yeah they can't relax on this stance. If they do players will do it all the time.

It goes beyond the concern of increasing portal entries. Whether it be for greener pastures or whatever reason, that kid has left his teammates, and usually with the sentiment that either he was not getting the playing time deserved, or that he was too good for them. Add to that the fact that you would be taking a scholly away from a recruit, or leave a walk-on who had earned one in limbo, it has the potential to be very bad for team chemistry. That isn't always the case of course but it is just another reason for a unambiguous consistent policy.

I don't think it should be foreclosed completely. Allowing someone to return as a walk-on (for at least a year) with the unanimous vote of the team would be OK with me, but I would venture that the stars aligning for such a circumstance would be extraordinarily rare. If someone like Noa went that route I think an exception might be appropriate.

Offering an immediate renewed scholarship should never occur absent some sort of extraordinary circumstance in the reasons for the transfer and only provided that the return adds immediate value to the team both talent wise and chemistry wise. Deven Thompkins comes to mind, but even that situation occurred in the mist of a coaching change.

I think you have to take it on a case by case basis as you alluded to by citing extraordinary circumstances. In my opinion, there could be circumstances where you should give the scholarship back, even if they aren't adding what you term immediate value. (A hypothetical player puts his name in the transfer portal to move closer to his ailing mother. The mother passes, and the player wants back on the team, unable to cope with being around his home without her there. He was a third string receiver only getting garbage playing time, but well liked on the team and a hard worker who wasn't in danger of losing his scholarship prior to the transfer.)

El Sapo wrote: ↑

July 21st, 2022, 11:37 am

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑

July 21st, 2022, 11:31 am

hickaggie wrote: ↑

July 21st, 2022, 11:15 am

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 11:31 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 10:47 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 9:49 am

I'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.

Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon

Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -

On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.

Still, ZERO chance Elelyon is allowed to return. If we were taking Elelyon back, we would have taken Cam Lampkin back as well.

Yeah they can't relax on this stance. If they do players will do it all the time.

It goes beyond the concern of increasing portal entries. Whether it be for greener pastures or whatever reason, that kid has left his teammates, and usually with the sentiment that either he was not getting the playing time deserved, or that he was too good for them. Add to that the fact that you would be taking a scholly away from a recruit, or leave a walk-on who had earned one in limbo, it has the potential to be very bad for team chemistry. That isn't always the case of course but it is just another reason for a unambiguous consistent policy.

I don't think it should be foreclosed completely. Allowing someone to return as a walk-on (for at least a year) with the unanimous vote of the team would be OK with me, but I would venture that the stars aligning for such a circumstance would be extraordinarily rare. If someone like Noa went that route I think an exception might be appropriate.

Offering an immediate renewed scholarship should never occur absent some sort of extraordinary circumstance in the reasons for the transfer and only provided that the return adds immediate value to the team both talent wise and chemistry wise. Deven Thompkins comes to mind, but even that situation occurred in the mist of a coaching change.

I think you have to take it on a case by case basis as you alluded to by citing extraordinary circumstances. In my opinion, there could be circumstances where you should give the scholarship back, even if they aren't adding what you term immediate value. (A hypothetical player puts his name in the transfer portal to move closer to his ailing mother. The mother passes, and the player wants back on the team, unable to cope with being around his home without her there. He was a third string receiver only getting garbage playing time, but well liked on the team and a hard worker who wasn't in danger of losing his scholarship prior to the transfer.)

If the portal is going to be an ongoing situation, coaches will need to address it just like the pro teams do with contracts. A player can get released by the coaches, or, he might get free agency to go out there and look around, but we still have an position for you if you want to return....case by case seems right, and the current team still maintains control of the situation

GrandPoubah wrote: ↑

July 21st, 2022, 2:12 pm

El Sapo wrote: ↑

July 21st, 2022, 11:37 am

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑

July 21st, 2022, 11:31 am

hickaggie wrote: ↑

July 21st, 2022, 11:15 am

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 11:31 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 10:47 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

July 15th, 2022, 9:49 am

I'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.

Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon

Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -

On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.

Still, ZERO chance Elelyon is allowed to return. If we were taking Elelyon back, we would have taken Cam Lampkin back as well.

Yeah they can't relax on this stance. If they do players will do it all the time.

It goes beyond the concern of increasing portal entries. Whether it be for greener pastures or whatever reason, that kid has left his teammates, and usually with the sentiment that either he was not getting the playing time deserved, or that he was too good for them. Add to that the fact that you would be taking a scholly away from a recruit, or leave a walk-on who had earned one in limbo, it has the potential to be very bad for team chemistry. That isn't always the case of course but it is just another reason for a unambiguous consistent policy.

I don't think it should be foreclosed completely. Allowing someone to return as a walk-on (for at least a year) with the unanimous vote of the team would be OK with me, but I would venture that the stars aligning for such a circumstance would be extraordinarily rare. If someone like Noa went that route I think an exception might be appropriate.

Offering an immediate renewed scholarship should never occur absent some sort of extraordinary circumstance in the reasons for the transfer and only provided that the return adds immediate value to the team both talent wise and chemistry wise. Deven Thompkins comes to mind, but even that situation occurred in the mist of a coaching change.

I think you have to take it on a case by case basis as you alluded to by citing extraordinary circumstances. In my opinion, there could be circumstances where you should give the scholarship back, even if they aren't adding what you term immediate value. (A hypothetical player puts his name in the transfer portal to move closer to his ailing mother. The mother passes, and the player wants back on the team, unable to cope with being around his home without her there. He was a third string receiver only getting garbage playing time, but well liked on the team and a hard worker who wasn't in danger of losing his scholarship prior to the transfer.)

If the portal is going to be an ongoing situation, coaches will need to address it just like the pro teams do with contracts. A player can get released by the coaches, or, he might get free agency to go out there and look around, but we still have an position for you if you want to return....case by case seems right, and the current team still maintains control of the situation

To be clear - Many of these kids didn't leave their teammates willingly, they were forced to leave. Some kids were set to graduate academically within 1-2 semesters and were told their scholarship was not renewed. Kids are told that the only way they will only pull their scholarship is if they get into trouble. While that may have been an excuse for a couple, there were honor roll kids on that list whom were pushed out by this staff.

In fact, if I were to set the over/under on the number of players entering the portal willingly, I would place that number at 3.

To me, this is a huge disservice to a kid. If I were a kid coming out of high school, I would be watching the portal like a hawk and asking a lot of questions. They need to ask if there were any scholarship kids from last year which their scholarship was simply not renewed and confirm that with compliance.

ViAggie wrote: ↑

July 21st, 2022, 2:56 pm

Noa needs to swallow his pride and either walk on at SDSU or San Diego (FCS school).