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USU transfers out - Where did they end up?
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USU transfers out - Where did they end up?
I'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.
Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon
Josh Calvin, QB - Fullerton Community College
Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -
On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.
Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon
Josh Calvin, QB - Fullerton Community College
Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -
On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.
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Re: USU transfers out - Where did they end up?
Thank you for the summary roy, always nice to see it this way.
I’d agree bring back noa if he is interested. I’m kind of blown away he hasn’t landed somewhere.
I’d agree bring back noa if he is interested. I’m kind of blown away he hasn’t landed somewhere.
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Re: USU transfers out - Where did they end up?
On a side note some of this post spring attrition has really hurt our depth in some spots. Such as corner.
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Re: USU transfers out - Where did they end up?
Still, ZERO chance Elelyon is allowed to return. If we were taking Elelyon back, we would have taken Cam Lampkin back as well.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 9:49 amI'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.
Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon
Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -
On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.
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Yeah they can't relax on this stance. If they do players will do it all the time.aggies22 wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 10:47 amStill, ZERO chance Elelyon is allowed to return. If we were taking Elelyon back, we would have taken Cam Lampkin back as well.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 9:49 amI'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.
Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon
Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -
On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.
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Re: USU transfers out - Where did they end up?
Yep, can’t allow players to use the portal to hold us hostage
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Which has basically been the message that has been put out there.
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You can add Josh Calvin to Fullerton Community College to your list bro.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 9:49 amI'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.
Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon
Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -
On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.
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Re: USU transfers out - Where did they end up?
I've reached out to the dudes you have listed as "unknown" in the last two weeks. I have not had a response from any of them. If I had to venture a guess, I would say Elelyon ends up at a JuCo and Shawn Gates will find a spot. The rest might be out of luck.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 9:49 amI'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.
Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon
Josh Calvin, QB - Fullerton Community College
Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -
On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.
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When did Calvin leave? Wasn't he a 3 star recruit?aggies22 wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 2:24 pmYou can add Josh Calvin to Fullerton Community College to your list bro.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 9:49 amI'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.
Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon
Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -
On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.
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He was indeed a 3-star recruit but he was clearly buried on the depth chart. He was 4th at best behind Bonner, Peasley, and Legas. Peasley bailed and we added Levi Williams AND Bishop Davenport and Chase Tuatagaloa. The writing was on the wall and Josh did not return after school reconvened in January.FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 4:45 pmWhen did Calvin leave? Wasn't he a 3 star recruit?aggies22 wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 2:24 pmYou can add Josh Calvin to Fullerton Community College to your list bro.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 9:49 amI'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.
Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon
Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -
On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.
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Re: USU transfers out - Where did they end up?
OK. I have a hypothetical. If Noa went and did a year of penance at an FCS program, would we take him back then?
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Haha! Choosing to leave Utah State was the decision of the Noa camp. It's not like he was suspended. It was HIS choice to walk away from the Aggies. Entering the transfer portal is a crap shoot.
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Sorry I wasn't clear. I'm aware that the decision to leave was his, and did not reflect any suspension or punitive action. The year of penance would be for his bad decision to leave.
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Re: USU transfers out - Where did they end up?
Thank you.aggies22 wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 4:54 pmHe was indeed a 3-star recruit but he was clearly buried on the depth chart. He was 4th at best behind Bonner, Peasley, and Legas. Peasley bailed and we added Levi Williams AND Bishop Davenport and Chase Tuatagaloa. The writing was on the wall and Josh did not return after school reconvened in January.FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 4:45 pmWhen did Calvin leave? Wasn't he a 3 star recruit?aggies22 wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 2:24 pmYou can add Josh Calvin to Fullerton Community College to your list bro.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 9:49 amI'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.
Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon
Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -
On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.
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Re: USU transfers out - Where did they end up?
It goes beyond the concern of increasing portal entries. Whether it be for greener pastures or whatever reason, that kid has left his teammates, and usually with the sentiment that either he was not getting the playing time deserved, or that he was too good for them. Add to that the fact that you would be taking a scholly away from a recruit, or leave a walk-on who had earned one in limbo, it has the potential to be very bad for team chemistry. That isn't always the case of course but it is just another reason for a unambiguous consistent policy.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 11:31 amYeah they can't relax on this stance. If they do players will do it all the time.aggies22 wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 10:47 amStill, ZERO chance Elelyon is allowed to return. If we were taking Elelyon back, we would have taken Cam Lampkin back as well.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 9:49 amI'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.
Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon
Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -
On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.
I don't think it should be foreclosed completely. Allowing someone to return as a walk-on (for at least a year) with the unanimous vote of the team would be OK with me, but I would venture that the stars aligning for such a circumstance would be extraordinarily rare. If someone like Noa went that route I think an exception might be appropriate.
Offering an immediate renewed scholarship should never occur absent some sort of extraordinary circumstance in the reasons for the transfer and only provided that the return adds immediate value to the team both talent wise and chemistry wise. Deven Thompkins comes to mind, but even that situation occurred in the mist of a coaching change.
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Re: USU transfers out - Where did they end up?
I think you have to take it on a case by case basis as you alluded to by citing extraordinary circumstances. In my opinion, there could be circumstances where you should give the scholarship back, even if they aren't adding what you term immediate value. (A hypothetical player puts his name in the transfer portal to move closer to his ailing mother. The mother passes, and the player wants back on the team, unable to cope with being around his home without her there. He was a third string receiver only getting garbage playing time, but well liked on the team and a hard worker who wasn't in danger of losing his scholarship prior to the transfer.)hickaggie wrote: ↑July 21st, 2022, 11:15 amIt goes beyond the concern of increasing portal entries. Whether it be for greener pastures or whatever reason, that kid has left his teammates, and usually with the sentiment that either he was not getting the playing time deserved, or that he was too good for them. Add to that the fact that you would be taking a scholly away from a recruit, or leave a walk-on who had earned one in limbo, it has the potential to be very bad for team chemistry. That isn't always the case of course but it is just another reason for a unambiguous consistent policy.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 11:31 amYeah they can't relax on this stance. If they do players will do it all the time.aggies22 wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 10:47 amStill, ZERO chance Elelyon is allowed to return. If we were taking Elelyon back, we would have taken Cam Lampkin back as well.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 9:49 amI'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.
Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon
Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -
On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.
I don't think it should be foreclosed completely. Allowing someone to return as a walk-on (for at least a year) with the unanimous vote of the team would be OK with me, but I would venture that the stars aligning for such a circumstance would be extraordinarily rare. If someone like Noa went that route I think an exception might be appropriate.
Offering an immediate renewed scholarship should never occur absent some sort of extraordinary circumstance in the reasons for the transfer and only provided that the return adds immediate value to the team both talent wise and chemistry wise. Deven Thompkins comes to mind, but even that situation occurred in the mist of a coaching change.
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Re: USU transfers out - Where did they end up?
If the portal is going to be an ongoing situation, coaches will need to address it just like the pro teams do with contracts. A player can get released by the coaches, or, he might get free agency to go out there and look around, but we still have an position for you if you want to return....case by case seems right, and the current team still maintains control of the situationdirtnsnow wrote: ↑July 21st, 2022, 11:31 amI think you have to take it on a case by case basis as you alluded to by citing extraordinary circumstances. In my opinion, there could be circumstances where you should give the scholarship back, even if they aren't adding what you term immediate value. (A hypothetical player puts his name in the transfer portal to move closer to his ailing mother. The mother passes, and the player wants back on the team, unable to cope with being around his home without her there. He was a third string receiver only getting garbage playing time, but well liked on the team and a hard worker who wasn't in danger of losing his scholarship prior to the transfer.)hickaggie wrote: ↑July 21st, 2022, 11:15 amIt goes beyond the concern of increasing portal entries. Whether it be for greener pastures or whatever reason, that kid has left his teammates, and usually with the sentiment that either he was not getting the playing time deserved, or that he was too good for them. Add to that the fact that you would be taking a scholly away from a recruit, or leave a walk-on who had earned one in limbo, it has the potential to be very bad for team chemistry. That isn't always the case of course but it is just another reason for a unambiguous consistent policy.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 11:31 amYeah they can't relax on this stance. If they do players will do it all the time.aggies22 wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 10:47 amStill, ZERO chance Elelyon is allowed to return. If we were taking Elelyon back, we would have taken Cam Lampkin back as well.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 9:49 amI'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.
Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon
Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -
On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.
I don't think it should be foreclosed completely. Allowing someone to return as a walk-on (for at least a year) with the unanimous vote of the team would be OK with me, but I would venture that the stars aligning for such a circumstance would be extraordinarily rare. If someone like Noa went that route I think an exception might be appropriate.
Offering an immediate renewed scholarship should never occur absent some sort of extraordinary circumstance in the reasons for the transfer and only provided that the return adds immediate value to the team both talent wise and chemistry wise. Deven Thompkins comes to mind, but even that situation occurred in the mist of a coaching change.
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Re: USU transfers out - Where did they end up?
To be clear - Many of these kids didn't leave their teammates willingly, they were forced to leave. Some kids were set to graduate academically within 1-2 semesters and were told their scholarship was not renewed. Kids are told that the only way they will only pull their scholarship is if they get into trouble. While that may have been an excuse for a couple, there were honor roll kids on that list whom were pushed out by this staff.El Sapo wrote: ↑July 21st, 2022, 11:37 amIf the portal is going to be an ongoing situation, coaches will need to address it just like the pro teams do with contracts. A player can get released by the coaches, or, he might get free agency to go out there and look around, but we still have an position for you if you want to return....case by case seems right, and the current team still maintains control of the situationdirtnsnow wrote: ↑July 21st, 2022, 11:31 amI think you have to take it on a case by case basis as you alluded to by citing extraordinary circumstances. In my opinion, there could be circumstances where you should give the scholarship back, even if they aren't adding what you term immediate value. (A hypothetical player puts his name in the transfer portal to move closer to his ailing mother. The mother passes, and the player wants back on the team, unable to cope with being around his home without her there. He was a third string receiver only getting garbage playing time, but well liked on the team and a hard worker who wasn't in danger of losing his scholarship prior to the transfer.)hickaggie wrote: ↑July 21st, 2022, 11:15 amIt goes beyond the concern of increasing portal entries. Whether it be for greener pastures or whatever reason, that kid has left his teammates, and usually with the sentiment that either he was not getting the playing time deserved, or that he was too good for them. Add to that the fact that you would be taking a scholly away from a recruit, or leave a walk-on who had earned one in limbo, it has the potential to be very bad for team chemistry. That isn't always the case of course but it is just another reason for a unambiguous consistent policy.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 11:31 amYeah they can't relax on this stance. If they do players will do it all the time.aggies22 wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 10:47 amStill, ZERO chance Elelyon is allowed to return. If we were taking Elelyon back, we would have taken Cam Lampkin back as well.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 9:49 amI'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.
Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon
Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -
On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.
I don't think it should be foreclosed completely. Allowing someone to return as a walk-on (for at least a year) with the unanimous vote of the team would be OK with me, but I would venture that the stars aligning for such a circumstance would be extraordinarily rare. If someone like Noa went that route I think an exception might be appropriate.
Offering an immediate renewed scholarship should never occur absent some sort of extraordinary circumstance in the reasons for the transfer and only provided that the return adds immediate value to the team both talent wise and chemistry wise. Deven Thompkins comes to mind, but even that situation occurred in the mist of a coaching change.
In fact, if I were to set the over/under on the number of players entering the portal willingly, I would place that number at 3.
To me, this is a huge disservice to a kid. If I were a kid coming out of high school, I would be watching the portal like a hawk and asking a lot of questions. They need to ask if there were any scholarship kids from last year which their scholarship was simply not renewed and confirm that with compliance.
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Cash Gilliam also left the team and the new staff allowed him to return. Some of you don't realize that you can NOT take a scholarship kid, turn him into a walk-on for a year (regardless of the reason), and then put him on scholarship again.hickaggie wrote: ↑July 21st, 2022, 11:15 amIt goes beyond the concern of increasing portal entries. Whether it be for greener pastures or whatever reason, that kid has left his teammates, and usually with the sentiment that either he was not getting the playing time deserved, or that he was too good for them. Add to that the fact that you would be taking a scholly away from a recruit, or leave a walk-on who had earned one in limbo, it has the potential to be very bad for team chemistry. That isn't always the case of course but it is just another reason for a unambiguous consistent policy.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 11:31 amYeah they can't relax on this stance. If they do players will do it all the time.aggies22 wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 10:47 amStill, ZERO chance Elelyon is allowed to return. If we were taking Elelyon back, we would have taken Cam Lampkin back as well.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 9:49 amI'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.
Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon
Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -
On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.
I don't think it should be foreclosed completely. Allowing someone to return as a walk-on (for at least a year) with the unanimous vote of the team would be OK with me, but I would venture that the stars aligning for such a circumstance would be extraordinarily rare. If someone like Noa went that route I think an exception might be appropriate.
Offering an immediate renewed scholarship should never occur absent some sort of extraordinary circumstance in the reasons for the transfer and only provided that the return adds immediate value to the team both talent wise and chemistry wise. Deven Thompkins comes to mind, but even that situation occurred in the mist of a coaching change.
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Noa needs to swallow his pride and either walk on at SDSU or San Diego (FCS school).
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I'm curious which players were promised their scholarship going into their final year, only to have that scholarship yanked, or to be counseled out. Can you shed some light?GrandPoubah wrote: ↑July 21st, 2022, 2:12 pmTo be clear - Many of these kids didn't leave their teammates willingly, they were forced to leave. Some kids were set to graduate academically within 1-2 semesters and were told their scholarship was not renewed. Kids are told that the only way they will only pull their scholarship is if they get into trouble. While that may have been an excuse for a couple, there were honor roll kids on that list whom were pushed out by this staff.El Sapo wrote: ↑July 21st, 2022, 11:37 amIf the portal is going to be an ongoing situation, coaches will need to address it just like the pro teams do with contracts. A player can get released by the coaches, or, he might get free agency to go out there and look around, but we still have an position for you if you want to return....case by case seems right, and the current team still maintains control of the situationdirtnsnow wrote: ↑July 21st, 2022, 11:31 amI think you have to take it on a case by case basis as you alluded to by citing extraordinary circumstances. In my opinion, there could be circumstances where you should give the scholarship back, even if they aren't adding what you term immediate value. (A hypothetical player puts his name in the transfer portal to move closer to his ailing mother. The mother passes, and the player wants back on the team, unable to cope with being around his home without her there. He was a third string receiver only getting garbage playing time, but well liked on the team and a hard worker who wasn't in danger of losing his scholarship prior to the transfer.)hickaggie wrote: ↑July 21st, 2022, 11:15 amIt goes beyond the concern of increasing portal entries. Whether it be for greener pastures or whatever reason, that kid has left his teammates, and usually with the sentiment that either he was not getting the playing time deserved, or that he was too good for them. Add to that the fact that you would be taking a scholly away from a recruit, or leave a walk-on who had earned one in limbo, it has the potential to be very bad for team chemistry. That isn't always the case of course but it is just another reason for a unambiguous consistent policy.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 11:31 amYeah they can't relax on this stance. If they do players will do it all the time.aggies22 wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 10:47 amStill, ZERO chance Elelyon is allowed to return. If we were taking Elelyon back, we would have taken Cam Lampkin back as well.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 9:49 amI'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.
Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon
Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -
On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.
I don't think it should be foreclosed completely. Allowing someone to return as a walk-on (for at least a year) with the unanimous vote of the team would be OK with me, but I would venture that the stars aligning for such a circumstance would be extraordinarily rare. If someone like Noa went that route I think an exception might be appropriate.
Offering an immediate renewed scholarship should never occur absent some sort of extraordinary circumstance in the reasons for the transfer and only provided that the return adds immediate value to the team both talent wise and chemistry wise. Deven Thompkins comes to mind, but even that situation occurred in the mist of a coaching change.
In fact, if I were to set the over/under on the number of players entering the portal willingly, I would place that number at 3.
To me, this is a huge disservice to a kid. If I were a kid coming out of high school, I would be watching the portal like a hawk and asking a lot of questions. They need to ask if there were any scholarship kids from last year which their scholarship was simply not renewed and confirm that with compliance.
Otherwise, BA's staff isn't doing anything different than every other new coaching staff all over the country does in trying to upgrade talent on the roster, nudging out players recruited by the prior administration who recruits different types of players.
Coaches know the score. They will be fired pretty quickly if they aren't successful. If they are going to go down, they want to go down swinging with the players they feel are the best to help them win, whether they were already there, or if the new staff recruited them.
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Someone gave him some really, really bad advice. What a shame.
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This is the other side of the coin of NIL. If you want to be treated like a mercenary (professional athlete), expect to be treated like a mercenary. Yes, you are free to profit from your "brand". Also, if we find someone better than you, you're out. It isn't personal, it's business...
I don't like it, but this is where we are. Kids who like making money from the local widget company, don't like being displaced by a better player. Color me shocked.
I don't like it, but this is where we are. Kids who like making money from the local widget company, don't like being displaced by a better player. Color me shocked.
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Update on these guys (because I was curious):Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 9:49 amI'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.
Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon
Josh Calvin, QB - Fullerton Community College
Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -
On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.
Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming (Starting QB for 3-2 Wyoming)
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas (2nd string CB on a mediocre team)
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU (Hasn't played)
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st. (2nd string CB on a pretty solid Washington st. team)
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah (Is a starting Receiver for 3-1 SUU. Has 14 catches for 81 yards)
James Hansen, DL - Nevada (Starting DT on a bad Nevada team. Weighs 307 lbs. We could probably really use him right now.)
Monte McGary, S- Kansas (He's 2nd string CB on a good Kansas team)
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St. (3rd string LB on a mediocre FCS team. Has 5 tackles this year.)
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina (Hasn't played)
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah (Hasn't played from what I could find)
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon (Has 7 tackles through 3 games. Seems to be 2nd string LB.)
Josh Calvin, QB - Fullerton Community College (Starting QB for the JC with a 3-1 record. He's 51-90 on the season through 4 games averaging 192 ypg with 8 TD & 2 INT's.)
Mata Hola, LB - Snow College (Is a starting LB for Snow College, the #6 ranked JC team.)
Elelyon Noa, RB - Boise State (Has 1 carry for -2 yards on the season.)
Jack Drews, TE - Unknown (Still doesn't appear to be on any football team.)
Shawn Gates, CB - Unknown (Still doesn't appear to be on any football team.)
Keith Harris, CB - Unknown (Still doesn't appear to be on any football team.)
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Re: USU transfers out - Where did they end up?
One other note would be Elijah Shelton to xferred out to Utah, ended up at UNLV. He starts there and had 6 tackles and a sack against us Saturday.
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WR Taylor Larsen returned to Snow after one semester at Utah State.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑September 26th, 2022, 9:51 amUpdate on these guys (because I was curious):Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑July 15th, 2022, 9:49 amI'm mostly just trying to list scholarship guys or key players here. Most of my info came from @aggies22 and I'm just compiling it. Thought it was interesting to look at as an isolated summary.
Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st.
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah
James Hansen, DL - Nevada
Monte McGary, S- Kansas
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St.
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon
Josh Calvin, QB - Fullerton Community College
Unknowns-
Shawn Gates, CB -
Mata Hola, LB -
Elelyon Noa, RB -
Jack Drews, TE -
Keith Harris, CB -
On a different note. I have to wonder if there's any chance of Elelyon Noa coming back to USU? We need another RB and he hasn't found a home yet.
Andrew Peasley, QB - Wyoming (Starting QB for 3-2 Wyoming)
Zahodri Jackson, CB - North Texas (2nd string CB on a mediocre team)
Enoch Nawahine, RB - BYU (Hasn't played)
Cam Lampkin, CB - Washington st. (2nd string CB on a pretty solid Washington st. team)
Tim Patrick, WR - Southern Utah (Is a starting Receiver for 3-1 SUU. Has 14 catches for 81 yards)
James Hansen, DL - Nevada (Starting DT on a bad Nevada team. Weighs 307 lbs. We could probably really use him right now.)
Monte McGary, S- Kansas (He's 2nd string CB on a good Kansas team)
Jaymayson Willingham, LB - Portland St. (3rd string LB on a mediocre FCS team. Has 5 tackles this year.)
Troy De Le Vega, TE - Coastal Carolina (Hasn't played)
Jack Rigby, TE - Southern Utah (Hasn't played from what I could find)
Simon Thompson, LB - Western Oregon (Has 7 tackles through 3 games. Seems to be 2nd string LB.)
Josh Calvin, QB - Fullerton Community College (Starting QB for the JC with a 3-1 record. He's 51-90 on the season through 4 games averaging 192 ypg with 8 TD & 2 INT's.)
Mata Hola, LB - Snow College (Is a starting LB for Snow College, the #6 ranked JC team.)
Elelyon Noa, RB - Boise State (Has 1 carry for -2 yards on the season.)
Jack Drews, TE - Unknown (Still doesn't appear to be on any football team.)
Shawn Gates, CB - Unknown (Still doesn't appear to be on any football team.)
Keith Harris, CB - Unknown (Still doesn't appear to be on any football team.)