Can we keep Blake?

TrueAG · Post by **TrueAG** » November 24th, 2021, 10:44 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2021, 9:58 am
What’s the argument for a school like USU paying a football coach any more than we are paying now?

We can’t compete with P5 money no matter what we do, and if we end up hiring a stinker, we’re on the hook for a bigger chunk of change for a buyout if that person needs to be fired.

I think Anderson is paid just about right given our situation. Too much risk for a school like us to pay any more for a coach that is inevitably going to leave around year 3 if successful, IMO.

There’s just too big of a gulf between G5 and P5 money to even try to do anything in this arms race other than try to stay in the ballpark of what MW peers are paying.

We’re a lower cost of living area by even MW standards, and are right in the middle of the pack in the MW in terms of coaches salary even without adjusting for cost of living. I think our job is priced “just right.”

100%. Unless you are getting to the playoffs or a chance to move up. It makes no sense.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » November 24th, 2021, 10:57 am

YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑
November 23rd, 2021, 8:19 pm

JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑
November 23rd, 2021, 7:25 pm
Baylor will aim higher. While I think Blake would do well at Baylor, that fan base isn’t going to settle for a G5 coach with Blake’s resume.

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Have they considered the fact that Blake and Aranda are basically the same person because Aranda definitely wanted to work at USU?

Well when you can pretend to be a non-profit Christian school that accepts anyone who applies there, you can afford to pay your FB coach serious money. UCLA, I think it was, warned the NCAA of this when they allowed Grand Canyon U to join, Liberty fallowed, pretty soon you'll just be able to buy your way into the big boys club too.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » November 24th, 2021, 11:10 am

TrueAG wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2021, 10:44 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2021, 9:58 am
What’s the argument for a school like USU paying a football coach any more than we are paying now?

We can’t compete with P5 money no matter what we do, and if we end up hiring a stinker, we’re on the hook for a bigger chunk of change for a buyout if that person needs to be fired.

I think Anderson is paid just about right given our situation. Too much risk for a school like us to pay any more for a coach that is inevitably going to leave around year 3 if successful, IMO.

There’s just too big of a gulf between G5 and P5 money to even try to do anything in this arms race other than try to stay in the ballpark of what MW peers are paying.

We’re a lower cost of living area by even MW standards, and are right in the middle of the pack in the MW in terms of coaches salary even without adjusting for cost of living. I think our job is priced “just right.”
100%. Unless you are getting to the playoffs or a chance to move up. It makes no sense.

Like, I would much rather use the money we would pay to increase a coach’s salary to upgrade facilities, entice a coffee vendor to MOFAMs, or buy some new uniforms. Stuff that benefits players and fans.

I mean, you’re always one Steve Addazio hire away from a HORRIBLE situation if you choose to join the coaching salary arms race.

Just stay competitive with peers is all we need to do.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » November 24th, 2021, 11:15 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2021, 9:51 am
I think it’s excessively foolish to sign coaches to fat, 10-year contracts. Look at Richmond’s basketball coach… in 2011 he took them to a sweet sixteen, but since then they have not returned to the NCAA tournament. They’ve been to the NIT 3 times. Good for UTSA and Liberty for having the money, but I don’t think it’s the best idea to agree to huge contracts.

I completely agree. Sign them to an initial 5 year contract. Set forth certain expectations to be met to get the contract extended by 1 year for meeting those goals. That way if they have a good year or 2 you still have them on contract for ~4 years, but if they struggle for 2-3 years there contract is down to ~2 years. If they are winning you have them under contract for longer and can get a decent buyout to put towards a new coach, but if they are struggling the contract is low enough that the buyout to fire them is manageable. 10 year contracts are stupid in my opinion, i think it breeds some complacency at times.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » November 24th, 2021, 11:18 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2021, 9:58 am
What’s the argument for a school like USU paying a football coach any more than we are paying now?

We can’t compete with P5 money no matter what we do, and if we end up hiring a stinker, we’re on the hook for a bigger chunk of change for a buyout if that person needs to be fired.

I think Anderson is paid just about right given our situation. Too much risk for a school like us to pay any more for a coach that is inevitably going to leave around year 3 if successful, IMO.

There’s just too big of a gulf between G5 and P5 money to even try to do anything in this arms race other than try to stay in the ballpark of what MW peers are paying.

We’re a lower cost of living area by even MW standards, and are right in the middle of the pack in the MW in terms of coaches salary even without adjusting for cost of living. I think our job is priced “just right.”

I agree, unless our budget drasctically improves we should not be paying coaches more than $1mm. If the budget grows through donations, sponsors etc. than I am fine increasing those. WYO is paying their coach like $1.8MM per year. He has went to the championship game 1 time and overall has been mediocre. It just doesn't make sense to pay more than $1MM in my opinion.

Post by **aggies22** » November 24th, 2021, 1:21 pm

Well we can cross New Mexico State off the list. They've hired Jerry Kill.

YoungBloodAggie · Post by **YoungBloodAggie** » November 24th, 2021, 1:26 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2021, 1:21 pm
Well we can cross New Mexico State off the list. They've hired Jerry Kill.

Good for them, that's a better pick-up than I thought they'd be able to get. Not that Kill is a huge name, but honestly with the lack of resources and support I thought it'd be tougher sledding than a guy who could have plenty of different jobs if he was so inclined.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » November 24th, 2021, 1:32 pm

YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2021, 1:26 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2021, 1:21 pm
Well we can cross New Mexico State off the list. They've hired Jerry Kill.
Good for them, that's a better pick-up than I thought they'd be able to get. Not that Kill is a huge name, but honestly with the lack of resources and support I thought it'd be tougher sledding than a guy who could have plenty of different jobs if he was so inclined.

He is a good coach I would just be concerned with his health. There have been several times he had seizures on the field. I hope he can stay healthy. He could help their program out.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » November 25th, 2021, 10:06 am

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2021, 1:32 pm

YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2021, 1:26 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2021, 1:21 pm
Well we can cross New Mexico State off the list. They've hired Jerry Kill.
Good for them, that's a better pick-up than I thought they'd be able to get. Not that Kill is a huge name, but honestly with the lack of resources and support I thought it'd be tougher sledding than a guy who could have plenty of different jobs if he was so inclined.
He is a good coach I would just be concerned with his health. There have been several times he had seizures on the field. I hope he can stay healthy. He could help their program out.

Yeah jerry kill is an A+ hire for nmsu if his health holds. Im shocked he would take that job.

mike1126 · Post by **mike1126** » November 25th, 2021, 11:01 am

$1 to $2 million seems cheap today. Its being rumored michigan state is offering 10yr $95 million. Wow.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/mel-tucker ... 36346.html

LoveMyAggies · Post by **LoveMyAggies** » November 25th, 2021, 1:19 pm

mike1126 wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2021, 11:01 am
$1 to $2 million seems cheap today. Its being rumored michigan state is offering 10yr $95 million. Wow.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/mel-tucker ... 36346.html

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... w-contract

Saban gets $10+ M, so the schools are trying to follow suit and keep their coaches.

swordsman1989 · Post by **swordsman1989** » November 25th, 2021, 1:49 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2021, 10:57 am

YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑
November 23rd, 2021, 8:19 pm

JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑
November 23rd, 2021, 7:25 pm
Baylor will aim higher. While I think Blake would do well at Baylor, that fan base isn’t going to settle for a G5 coach with Blake’s resume.

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Have they considered the fact that Blake and Aranda are basically the same person because Aranda definitely wanted to work at USU?
Well when you can pretend to be a non-profit Christian school that accepts anyone who applies there, you can afford to pay your FB coach serious money. UCLA, I think it was, warned the NCAA of this when they allowed Grand Canyon U to join, Liberty fallowed, pretty soon you'll just be able to buy your way into the big boys club too.

It was the entire PAC-12 that opposed Grand Canyon. But Grand Canyon is officially a for-profit school, while Liberty is officially non-profit. I don't think the PAC-12 opposed the religious aspect or the admissions standards of Grand Canyon, they opposed the for-profit status. There are plenty of fairly strict religious schools in the NCAA (BYU for example), and there are plenty of NCAA schools that have open admission policies as well (such as UVU).

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » November 25th, 2021, 3:45 pm

Good luck with that $95 million contract, MSU.

No thanks.

sam tingey · Post by **sam tingey** » November 25th, 2021, 4:09 pm

didn't penn state just give 10 year $85 million to franklin?

StanfordAggie · Post by **StanfordAggie** » November 26th, 2021, 9:46 am

swordsman1989 wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2021, 1:49 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2021, 10:57 am

YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑
November 23rd, 2021, 8:19 pm

JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑
November 23rd, 2021, 7:25 pm
Baylor will aim higher. While I think Blake would do well at Baylor, that fan base isn’t going to settle for a G5 coach with Blake’s resume.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Have they considered the fact that Blake and Aranda are basically the same person because Aranda definitely wanted to work at USU?
Well when you can pretend to be a non-profit Christian school that accepts anyone who applies there, you can afford to pay your FB coach serious money. UCLA, I think it was, warned the NCAA of this when they allowed Grand Canyon U to join, Liberty fallowed, pretty soon you'll just be able to buy your way into the big boys club too.
It was the entire PAC-12 that opposed Grand Canyon. But Grand Canyon is officially a for-profit school, while Liberty is officially non-profit. I don't think the PAC-12 opposed the religious aspect or the admissions standards of Grand Canyon, they opposed the for-profit status. There are plenty of fairly strict religious schools in the NCAA (BYU for example), and there are plenty of NCAA schools that have open admission policies as well (such as UVU).

I don't think that the PAC-12's opposition to GCU was because they were worried about for profit schools "buying [their] way into the big boys club." There are a few exceptions, but the vast majority of for-profit universities have a business model that is basically 1) aggressively recruit as many students to enroll as possible regardless of whether they are prepared for college, 2) aggressively pressure these students to take out as many student loans as possible to pay for absurdly high tuition, and 3) completely stop caring about their students once the tuition checks are cashed by allowing them to either fail out of school or allowing them to graduate with a degree that isn't worth the paper it is printed on. I think the concern was that an average sports fan doesn't know anything about the business practices of for-profit schools, and if they see these for-profit schools playing legitimate non-profit universities, that could legitimize the for-profit schools (and their business practices).

I think their concerns with Liberty are similar. Its business practices are not as egregious as the for-profit schools given that their tuition is significantly lower. But it's still fairly expensive, and the graduation rate is very low. There is a perception that Liberty is simply trying to attract as many online students as possible to generate revenue rather than provide a quality education. And legitimate universities don't want to be associated with that type of school, which I think is the reason that Liberty has had so much trouble finding a conference despite considerable athletic success.

Elkaggie · Post by **Elkaggie** » November 26th, 2021, 1:56 pm

And now? Crazy turn around by this team. He deserves a ton of credit.

BeNo · Post by **BeNo** » November 26th, 2021, 3:07 pm

JonnyCienPesos · Post by **JonnyCienPesos** » November 26th, 2021, 3:17 pm

BeNo wrote:gone

Really? Where?

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bigblue32 · Post by **bigblue32** » November 26th, 2021, 3:40 pm

BeNo wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2021, 3:07 pm
gone

Hmm ok where?

Imakeitrain · Post by **Imakeitrain** » November 26th, 2021, 3:45 pm

BeNo wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2021, 3:07 pm
gone

I promise one game isn’t determining his future. Schools either want him or don’t. But just enjoy the ride.

GameFAQSAggie · Post by **GameFAQSAggie** » November 26th, 2021, 3:58 pm

bigblue32 wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2021, 3:40 pm

BeNo wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2021, 3:07 pm
gone

Hmm ok where?

Virginia Tech
https://mobile.twitter.com/blake_anderson1

Aggie19 · Post by **Aggie19** » November 26th, 2021, 5:08 pm

Elkaggie · Post by **Elkaggie** » November 26th, 2021, 5:27 pm

Aggie19 wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2021, 5:08 pm

Wow. I love this. Classy move for sure.

I also enjoyed seeing the whole team wish him well.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » November 26th, 2021, 6:20 pm

Elkaggie wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2021, 5:27 pm

Aggie19 wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2021, 5:08 pm

Wow. I love this. Classy move for sure.

I also enjoyed seeing the whole team wish him well.

Classy move Blake. I also thought it was classy by the USU team to all come out and wish him well. That NM player is tough, he did not seem to phased on the ride out. He is one tough guy.

BeNo · Post by **BeNo** » November 26th, 2021, 6:29 pm

JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2021, 3:17 pm

BeNo wrote:gone
Really? Where?

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no where in particular. just rest assured he will be gone. so be it. just stating the reality of it all. and given the early signing period and transfer portal hartwell better have the next hc identified,

Hoot · Post by **Hoot** » November 26th, 2021, 6:34 pm

Blake will leave and we’ll rehire Matt Wells.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » November 26th, 2021, 6:52 pm

Hoot wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2021, 6:34 pm
Blake will leave and we’ll rehire Matt Wells.

I like Matt Wells, but re-hiring past coaches is not the best recipe for success in my opinion. If he decides he does not want to be a head coach right now and want to be on Blake's staff here I would be all on board with that.

rAggie · Post by **rAggie** » November 26th, 2021, 7:44 pm

Would you consider rehiring Matt Wells if he worked for free and we used the $1 million a year we’d have otherwise paid him to invest in top flight assistants and/or facility upgrades? He’s got a couple years where he wouldn’t need to be paid because he has that Texas Tech money coming in.

NVAggie · Post by **NVAggie** » November 26th, 2021, 7:56 pm

Texas Tech, right?

rAggie · Post by **rAggie** » November 26th, 2021, 7:59 pm

NVAggie wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2021, 7:56 pm
Texas Tech, right?

Yes thank you for the correction.

Hoot · Post by **Hoot** » November 26th, 2021, 8:37 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2021, 6:52 pm

Hoot wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2021, 6:34 pm
Blake will leave and we’ll rehire Matt Wells.
I like Matt Wells, but re-hiring past coaches is not the best recipe for success in my opinion. If he decides he does not want to be a head coach right now and want to be on Blake's staff here I would be all on board with that.

I’m not usually that big on it either but I figure after Wells 2.0 leaves GA will have gotten his mojo back and we can rehire him again.

Roy McAvoy · Post by **Roy McAvoy** » December 6th, 2021, 7:53 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2021, 11:10 am

TrueAG wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2021, 10:44 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2021, 9:58 am
What’s the argument for a school like USU paying a football coach any more than we are paying now?

We can’t compete with P5 money no matter what we do, and if we end up hiring a stinker, we’re on the hook for a bigger chunk of change for a buyout if that person needs to be fired.

I think Anderson is paid just about right given our situation. Too much risk for a school like us to pay any more for a coach that is inevitably going to leave around year 3 if successful, IMO.

There’s just too big of a gulf between G5 and P5 money to even try to do anything in this arms race other than try to stay in the ballpark of what MW peers are paying.

We’re a lower cost of living area by even MW standards, and are right in the middle of the pack in the MW in terms of coaches salary even without adjusting for cost of living. I think our job is priced “just right.”
100%. Unless you are getting to the playoffs or a chance to move up. It makes no sense.
Like, I would much rather use the money we would pay to increase a coach’s salary to upgrade facilities, entice a coffee vendor to MOFAMs, or buy some new uniforms. Stuff that benefits players and fans.

I mean, you’re always one Steve Addazio hire away from a HORRIBLE situation if you choose to join the coaching salary arms race.

Just stay competitive with peers is all we need to do.

This. This is the argument for why you continue to pay a coach as much as you can afford.

Losing our head coach to a conference foe would be such a punch in the gut.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » December 6th, 2021, 7:57 am

Norvell is the lowest paid coach in conference by quite a bit last I saw. I think Blake makes about a half a million more than Norvell.

And I fully agree with staying in the same range conference peers are paying. Norvell was an outlier.

LarryTheAggie · Post by **LarryTheAggie** » December 6th, 2021, 8:03 am

That would be a stupid move for Norvell. The guy will be up for a massive pay raise in a year or two. Go to Colorado State, where they have issues beyond football (namely a bad AD) and you are likely to fizzle out in 3 years. I don't get it.

Unless he thinks his run at Nevada is done when Strong goes to the nfl.

CaptainChaos · Post by **CaptainChaos** » December 6th, 2021, 8:18 am

Aggie19 wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2021, 5:08 pm

This is awesome! I'm glad to see that this is appreciated and is not seen as some risky, offensive, or toxic thing to have done.

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