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KAR, how Matt Wells is using 2 QB's
Posted: October 23rd, 2021, 11:02 am
by trevordude
Watching Texas Tech and Kansas St right now. They run Colombi on the majority of plays, but put in their Freshman QB who is great at running. They rotate the running QB in just for a single play, especially in the Red Zone, then put in Colombi again. The running QB probably gets 2-3 snaps each series.
I really wish we'd do the same with Peasley, but maybe our O Line isn't good enough for a QB keeper run play.
Re: KAR, how Matt Wells is using 2 QB's
Posted: October 23rd, 2021, 1:16 pm
by Sl7vk
And Wells loses yet another close one.
Re: KAR, how Matt Wells is using 2 QB's
Posted: October 23rd, 2021, 1:22 pm
by Elkaggie
After being up 24-10 at half.
Re: KAR, how Matt Wells is using 2 QB's
Posted: October 24th, 2021, 7:57 pm
by AgMac
Sl7vk wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2021, 1:16 pm
And Wells loses yet another close one.
At one point, the commentators questioned whether switching back and forth had gotten Columbi out of rhythm. I noticed on Twitter that Columbi's dad said "the commentators are right." I wondered if it was about that comment.
Re: KAR, how Matt Wells is using 2 QB's
Posted: October 25th, 2021, 6:22 am
by aggies22
AgMac wrote: ↑October 24th, 2021, 7:57 pm
Sl7vk wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2021, 1:16 pm
And Wells loses yet another close one.
At one point, the commentators questioned whether switching back and forth had gotten Columbi out of rhythm. I noticed on Twitter that Columbi's dad said "the commentators are right." I wondered if it was about that comment.
It was.
Re: KAR, how Matt Wells is using 2 QB's
Posted: October 25th, 2021, 7:45 am
by FloridaAggie13
Some coaches out-think themselves. Bringing in the running QB for a specific situation tells the defense that you are going to run the ball and they don't need to be concerned much with the pass.
Re: KAR, how Matt Wells is using 2 QB's
Posted: October 25th, 2021, 8:33 am
by BlueUSU1
FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 25th, 2021, 7:45 am
Some coaches out-think themselves. Bringing in the running QB for a specific situation tells the defense that you are going to run the ball and they don't need to be concerned much with the pass.
True, but sometimes it works the other way. Bringing the running QB in and then throwing a pass can fake out the defense too. I think this is the reason the reverse pass we ran against CSU worked so well (until we got called for illegal formation lol). The defense was keyed in on Peasley running it, which let John Gentry kinda sneak around into the back of the end zone and be wide open.
Re: KAR, how Matt Wells is using 2 QB's
Posted: October 25th, 2021, 9:04 am
by hickaggie
BlueUSU1 wrote: ↑October 25th, 2021, 8:33 am
FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 25th, 2021, 7:45 am
Some coaches out-think themselves. Bringing in the running QB for a specific situation tells the defense that you are going to run the ball and they don't need to be concerned much with the pass.
True, but sometimes it works the other way. Bringing the running QB in and then throwing a pass can fake out the defense too. I think this is the reason the reverse pass we ran against CSU worked so well (until we got called for illegal formation lol). The defense was keyed in on Peasley running it, which let John Gentry kinda sneak around into the back of the end zone and be wide open.
They are 2 completely different situations. When Colombi subbed for Love he looked very comfortable in the read option and while not a runner is a gazelle compared to Bonner. Bonner doesn't even try to put the ball in the stomach of the RB anymore when its a TRO or playaction (hard to tell the difference some times with the way its run), and is ignored on the read run whether he rides it in the belly correctly or not.
Bringing in Peasley has to change the dynamic of that defense because immediately either the end has to stay outside or the D has to assign a LB or DB a run first QB read. I would sure like to see it when we hit the 25 yard line but I've been waiting for someone to step up and take the QB spot and it hasn't happened and somehow the Aggies are 5-2.
Re: KAR, how Matt Wells is using 2 QB's
Posted: October 25th, 2021, 9:35 am
by FloridaAggie13
BlueUSU1 wrote: ↑October 25th, 2021, 8:33 am
FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 25th, 2021, 7:45 am
Some coaches out-think themselves. Bringing in the running QB for a specific situation tells the defense that you are going to run the ball and they don't need to be concerned much with the pass.
True, but sometimes it works the other way. Bringing the running QB in and then throwing a pass can fake out the defense too. I think this is the reason the reverse pass we ran against CSU worked so well (until we got called for illegal formation lol). The defense was keyed in on Peasley running it, which let John Gentry kinda sneak around into the back of the end zone and be wide open.
I agree, but far more often they bring in the running QB in a specific situation with the intent to run it. They don't bring in the running QB at the 15 yard line if it is 3rd and 8. They bring him in at the 15 yard line when it is 3rd and 2. It becomes very predictable, just like in the WSU game where they brought in the running QB inside the five yard line and we stuffed them pretty easily because we knew it would be a run.
Re: KAR, how Matt Wells is using 2 QB's
Posted: October 25th, 2021, 10:26 am
by aggies22
hickaggie wrote: ↑October 25th, 2021, 9:04 am
BlueUSU1 wrote: ↑October 25th, 2021, 8:33 am
FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 25th, 2021, 7:45 am
Some coaches out-think themselves. Bringing in the running QB for a specific situation tells the defense that you are going to run the ball and they don't need to be concerned much with the pass.
True, but sometimes it works the other way. Bringing the running QB in and then throwing a pass can fake out the defense too. I think this is the reason the reverse pass we ran against CSU worked so well (until we got called for illegal formation lol). The defense was keyed in on Peasley running it, which let John Gentry kinda sneak around into the back of the end zone and be wide open.
They are 2 completely different situations. When Colombi subbed for Love he looked very comfortable in the read option and while not a runner is a gazelle compared to Bonner. Bonner doesn't even try to put the ball in the stomach of the RB anymore when its a TRO or playaction (hard to tell the difference some times with the way its run), and is ignored on the read run whether he rides it in the belly correctly or not.
Bringing in Peasley has to change the dynamic of that defense because immediately either the end has to stay outside or the D has to assign a LB or DB a run first QB read. I would sure like to see it when we hit the 25 yard line but I've been waiting for someone to step up and take the QB spot and it hasn't happened and somehow the Aggies are 5-2.
If we had cashed in touchdowns instead of field goals, I don't think we'd be having this conversation.
Re: KAR, how Matt Wells is using 2 QB's
Posted: October 25th, 2021, 12:33 pm
by hickaggie
aggies22 wrote: ↑October 25th, 2021, 10:26 am
hickaggie wrote: ↑October 25th, 2021, 9:04 am
BlueUSU1 wrote: ↑October 25th, 2021, 8:33 am
FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 25th, 2021, 7:45 am
Some coaches out-think themselves. Bringing in the running QB for a specific situation tells the defense that you are going to run the ball and they don't need to be concerned much with the pass.
True, but sometimes it works the other way. Bringing the running QB in and then throwing a pass can fake out the defense too. I think this is the reason the reverse pass we ran against CSU worked so well (until we got called for illegal formation lol). The defense was keyed in on Peasley running it, which let John Gentry kinda sneak around into the back of the end zone and be wide open.
They are 2 completely different situations. When Colombi subbed for Love he looked very comfortable in the read option and while not a runner is a gazelle compared to Bonner. Bonner doesn't even try to put the ball in the stomach of the RB anymore when its a TRO or playaction (hard to tell the difference some times with the way its run), and is ignored on the read run whether he rides it in the belly correctly or not.
Bringing in Peasley has to change the dynamic of that defense because immediately either the end has to stay outside or the D has to assign a LB or DB a run first QB read. I would sure like to see it when we hit the 25 yard line but I've been waiting for someone to step up and take the QB spot and it hasn't happened and somehow the Aggies are 5-2.
If we had cashed in touchdowns instead of field goals, I don't think we'd be having this conversation.
That is true but we its not like its close calls down there. I think only one of the field the last 2 weeks has been less than 37 yards. And Bonner's red zone Int was unbelievable. He literally assumed the RB would be wide open and floated a lob without looking.
Re: KAR, how Matt Wells is using 2 QB's
Posted: October 25th, 2021, 12:45 pm
by aggies22
hickaggie wrote: ↑October 25th, 2021, 12:33 pm
aggies22 wrote: ↑October 25th, 2021, 10:26 am
hickaggie wrote: ↑October 25th, 2021, 9:04 am
BlueUSU1 wrote: ↑October 25th, 2021, 8:33 am
FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 25th, 2021, 7:45 am
Some coaches out-think themselves. Bringing in the running QB for a specific situation tells the defense that you are going to run the ball and they don't need to be concerned much with the pass.
True, but sometimes it works the other way. Bringing the running QB in and then throwing a pass can fake out the defense too. I think this is the reason the reverse pass we ran against CSU worked so well (until we got called for illegal formation lol). The defense was keyed in on Peasley running it, which let John Gentry kinda sneak around into the back of the end zone and be wide open.
They are 2 completely different situations. When Colombi subbed for Love he looked very comfortable in the read option and while not a runner is a gazelle compared to Bonner. Bonner doesn't even try to put the ball in the stomach of the RB anymore when its a TRO or playaction (hard to tell the difference some times with the way its run), and is ignored on the read run whether he rides it in the belly correctly or not.
Bringing in Peasley has to change the dynamic of that defense because immediately either the end has to stay outside or the D has to assign a LB or DB a run first QB read. I would sure like to see it when we hit the 25 yard line but I've been waiting for someone to step up and take the QB spot and it hasn't happened and somehow the Aggies are 5-2.
If we had cashed in touchdowns instead of field goals, I don't think we'd be having this conversation.
That is true but we its not like its close calls down there. I think only one of the field the last 2 weeks has been less than 37 yards. And Bonner's red zone Int was unbelievable. He literally assumed the RB would be wide open and floated a lob without looking.
True story on the lob bro!
Re: KAR, how Matt Wells is using 2 QB's
Posted: October 25th, 2021, 1:10 pm
by NVAggie
That red zone int was absolutely atrocious. Bonner didn't read anything. He just went with Option #1 without even looking.
Re: KAR, how Matt Wells is using 2 QB's
Posted: October 26th, 2021, 11:43 pm
by Coloraggie
What if we put in both Bonner and Peasley. Couldn't Peasley come in and then go to a RB spot or WR? He could be formidable in an option or jet sweep. Tell me Peasley goes in motion and gets the jet sweep, does the D play the run or fear for the pass? You could shift the formation and line Bonner up outside and they would still have to put a defender on him. I'm not advocating for that a lot but it would be cool to see sometime. I think if we could get a few yards on 1st down then Peasley 2nd and 5 or 6 would be very intriguing.
Re: KAR, how Matt Wells is using 2 QB's
Posted: October 27th, 2021, 7:45 am
by aggies22
Coloraggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2021, 11:43 pm
What if we put in both Bonner and Peasley. Couldn't Peasley come in and then go to a RB spot or WR? He could be formidable in an option or jet sweep. Tell me Peasley goes in motion and gets the jet sweep, does the D play the run or fear for the pass? You could shift the formation and line Bonner up outside and they would still have to put a defender on him. I'm not advocating for that a lot but it would be cool to see sometime. I think if we could get a few yards on 1st down then Peasley 2nd and 5 or 6 would be very intriguing.
It's an interesting trick play idea.
Re: KAR, how Matt Wells is using 2 QB's
Posted: October 27th, 2021, 9:22 am
by hickaggie
aggies22 wrote: ↑October 27th, 2021, 7:45 am
Coloraggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2021, 11:43 pm
What if we put in both Bonner and Peasley. Couldn't Peasley come in and then go to a RB spot or WR? He could be formidable in an option or jet sweep. Tell me Peasley goes in motion and gets the jet sweep, does the D play the run or fear for the pass? You could shift the formation and line Bonner up outside and they would still have to put a defender on him. I'm not advocating for that a lot but it would be cool to see sometime. I think if we could get a few yards on 1st down then Peasley 2nd and 5 or 6 would be very intriguing.
It's an interesting trick play idea.
It is disappointing that Peasley has not been used situationally in these types of roles. The extra QB, even as a pure decoy can help freeze defenders and keep them honest. I am very hesitant to criticize our OC's overall performance given the blocking issues that are limiting the scheme, but not getting athletes on the field such as Nathan and Peasley to try to change the red zone dynamic is frustrating.
Re: KAR, how Matt Wells is using 2 QB's
Posted: October 27th, 2021, 9:33 am
by aggies22
hickaggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2021, 9:22 am
aggies22 wrote: ↑October 27th, 2021, 7:45 am
Coloraggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2021, 11:43 pm
What if we put in both Bonner and Peasley. Couldn't Peasley come in and then go to a RB spot or WR? He could be formidable in an option or jet sweep. Tell me Peasley goes in motion and gets the jet sweep, does the D play the run or fear for the pass? You could shift the formation and line Bonner up outside and they would still have to put a defender on him. I'm not advocating for that a lot but it would be cool to see sometime. I think if we could get a few yards on 1st down then Peasley 2nd and 5 or 6 would be very intriguing.
It's an interesting trick play idea.
It is disappointing that Peasley has not been used situationally in these types of roles. The extra QB, even as a pure decoy can help freeze defenders and keep them honest. I am very hesitant to criticize our OC's overall performance given the blocking issues that are limiting the scheme, but not getting athletes on the field such as Nathan and Peasley to try to change the red zone dynamic is frustrating.
I'm chalking some of these issues up to lack of experience. The offensive and defensive coordinators are first year play callers and honestly, you can practice for certain situations all you want BUT you never know how kids are truly going to respond until they are thrown into the fire.
What is encouraging to me is it would appear that Coach Banda does very well at making adjustments at halftime and Coach Tucker seems to be expanding his playbook a bit each week with a few new wrinkles here and there.
For everyone kind of learning on the fly sitting at 5-2 is pretty damn sweet.
Re: KAR, how Matt Wells is using 2 QB's
Posted: October 27th, 2021, 9:38 am
by NVAggie
Back to the topic, I guess Matt Wells won't be using 2 QBs anymore.
Re: KAR, how Matt Wells is using 2 QB's
Posted: October 27th, 2021, 12:30 pm
by stwinward
NVAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2021, 9:38 am
Back to the topic, I guess Matt Wells won't be using 2 QBs anymore.
I've been waiting for that comment.
Re: KAR, how Matt Wells is using 2 QB's
Posted: October 27th, 2021, 1:05 pm
by Aggiefan160
stwinward wrote: ↑October 27th, 2021, 12:30 pm
NVAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2021, 9:38 am
Back to the topic, I guess Matt Wells won't be using 2 QBs anymore.
I've been waiting for that comment.
Me too. I was wondering it this topic is now a cautionary tale, or an example of how it is supposed to work.