USU QB rack and stack

MWCFAN12 · Post by **MWCFAN12** » July 31st, 2021, 10:50 am

The Shelly thread had me thinking back on all USU qb's the last 25 plus years. How would you rack and stack them. I understand that some backup would make the list but just going off starters.

Started at least 1 game

2020 - Peasley, Shelly (USU 1-5)
2019- Love (USU 7-6)
2018- Love (USU 10-2)
2017- Love, Myers (USU 6--7)
2016- Myers (USU 3-9)
2015- Keeton, Myers (USU 6-7)
2014-Keeton, Garretson, Harrison, Myers (USU 10-4)
2013- Keeton, Garretson (USU9-5)
2012- Keeton (USU 11-2)
2011 - Keeton, Kennedy ( USU 7-6)
2010- Borel (USU 4-8)
2009- Borel (USU 4-8)
2008- Borel, Setzer (USU- 3-9)
2007- LJ3, McCormick (USU 2-10)
2006- LJ3, R Nelson (USU 1-11)
2005- LJ3, Walker (USU 3-8)
2004- T Cox , LJ3 (USU 3-8)
2003- T Cox, (USU3-9)
2002- Fuentes (USU 4- 7)
2001 - Fuentes (USU 4-7)
2000 - Fuentes, Crosbie (USU 5-6)
1999 - Crosbie ( USU 4-7 )
1998- R Jensen, Crosbie (USU 3-8)
1997- Sauk (USU 6-6)
1996 - Sauk, Mullins ( USU 6-5 )
1995- Mullins, Wells (USU 4-7)
1994- Wells, Flowers (USU3-8)
1993-Calvillo (USU 7-5)

If I had to pick 1 starting qb for next season ( in their college prime)
My top 10

1. Love
2. Calvillo
3. Keeton
4.Garretson
5. Fuentes
6. Kennedy
7. R Nielson
8.Borel
9. Myers
10. Sauk

Who you got?

USU78 · Post by **USU78** » July 31st, 2021, 12:44 pm

I'd put Sauk at 5 or 6. Otherwise, I agree.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » July 31st, 2021, 1:12 pm

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 10:50 am
The Shelly thread had me thinking back on all USU qb's the last 25 plus years. How would you rack and stack them. I understand that some backup would make the list but just going off starters.

Started at least 1 game

2020 - Peasley, Shelly (USU 1-5)
2019- Love (USU 7-6)
2018- Love (USU 10-2)
2017- Love, Myers (USU 6--7)
2016- Myers (USU 3-9)
2015- Keeton, Myers (USU 6-7)
2014-Keeton, Garretson, Harrison, Myers (USU 10-4)
2013- Keeton, Garretson (USU9-5)
2012- Keeton (USU 11-2)
2011 - Keeton, Kennedy ( USU 7-6)
2010- Borel (USU 4-8)
2009- Borel (USU 4-8)
2008- Borel, Setzer (USU- 3-9)
2007- LJ3, McCormick (USU 2-10)
2006- LJ3, R Nelson (USU 1-11)
2005- LJ3, Walker (USU 3-8)
2004- T Cox , LJ3 (USU 3-8)
2003- T Cox, (USU3-9)
2002- Fuentes (USU 4- 7)
2001 - Fuentes (USU 4-7)
2000 - Fuentes, Crosbie (USU 5-6)
1999 - Crosbie ( USU 4-7 )
1998- R Jensen, Crosbie (USU 3-8)
1997- Sauk (USU 6-6)
1996 - Sauk, Mullins ( USU 6-5 )
1995- Mullins, Wells (USU 4-7)
1994- Wells, Flowers (USU3-8)
1993-Calvillo (USU 7-5)

If I had to pick 1 starting qb for next season ( in their college prime)
My top 10

1. Love
2. Calvillo
3. Keeton
4.Garretson
5. Fuentes
6. Kennedy
7. R Nielson
8.Borel
9. Myers
10. Sauk

Who you got?

You have Riley too high. Even without the obvious reason, he wasnt that good of a college QB. Sauk was a better QB who made good reads and could see the whole field much better than Riley could.

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » July 31st, 2021, 1:15 pm

If by R Nelson you mean DJ or Chase, then I agree. If you mean Judas Nelson then I vehemently disagree.

AggieFBObsession · Post by **AggieFBObsession** » July 31st, 2021, 1:27 pm

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 10:50 am
If I had to pick 1 starting qb for next season ( in their college prime)
My top 10

1. Love
2. Calvillo
3. Keeton
4.Garretson
5. Fuentes
6. Kennedy
7. R Nielson
8.Borel
9. Myers
10. Sauk

Who you got?

I'd swap Fuentes and Keeton. Then I'd swap Sauk and Riley Nelson.

MWCFAN12 · Post by **MWCFAN12** » July 31st, 2021, 1:31 pm

USU78 wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 12:44 pm
I'd put Sauk at 5 or 6. Otherwise, I agree.

I never got to see him much as I was living on the other side of the country at the time.

MWCFAN12 · Post by **MWCFAN12** » July 31st, 2021, 1:37 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 1:12 pm

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 10:50 am
The Shelly thread had me thinking back on all USU qb's the last 25 plus years. How would you rack and stack them. I understand that some backup would make the list but just going off starters.

Started at least 1 game

2020 - Peasley, Shelly (USU 1-5)
2019- Love (USU 7-6)
2018- Love (USU 10-2)
2017- Love, Myers (USU 6--7)
2016- Myers (USU 3-9)
2015- Keeton, Myers (USU 6-7)
2014-Keeton, Garretson, Harrison, Myers (USU 10-4)
2013- Keeton, Garretson (USU9-5)
2012- Keeton (USU 11-2)
2011 - Keeton, Kennedy ( USU 7-6)
2010- Borel (USU 4-8)
2009- Borel (USU 4-8)
2008- Borel, Setzer (USU- 3-9)
2007- LJ3, McCormick (USU 2-10)
2006- LJ3, R Nelson (USU 1-11)
2005- LJ3, Walker (USU 3-8)
2004- T Cox , LJ3 (USU 3-8)
2003- T Cox, (USU3-9)
2002- Fuentes (USU 4- 7)
2001 - Fuentes (USU 4-7)
2000 - Fuentes, Crosbie (USU 5-6)
1999 - Crosbie ( USU 4-7 )
1998- R Jensen, Crosbie (USU 3-8)
1997- Sauk (USU 6-6)
1996 - Sauk, Mullins ( USU 6-5 )
1995- Mullins, Wells (USU 4-7)
1994- Wells, Flowers (USU3-8)
1993-Calvillo (USU 7-5)

If I had to pick 1 starting qb for next season ( in their college prime)
My top 10

1. Love
2. Calvillo
3. Keeton
4.Garretson
5. Fuentes
6. Kennedy
7. R Nielson
8.Borel
9. Myers
10. Sauk

Who you got?
You have Riley too high. Even without the obvious reason, he wasnt that good of a college QB. Sauk was a better QB who made good reads and could see the whole field much better than Riley could.

My dislike for him has died over the years.
If you are saying that off of talent then I agree with you. Riley is/was a competive little turd. That dude wanted to win. And figured out a way to compete with dudes who had way more talent than him.

Post by **aggies22** » July 31st, 2021, 1:47 pm

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 1:31 pm

USU78 wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 12:44 pm
I'd put Sauk at 5 or 6. Otherwise, I agree.
I never got to see him much as I was living on the other side of the country at the time.

Matt Sauk could sling it! I would easily put him at 4 or 5. He had a good career in the Arena League when it was at it's competitive peak.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » July 31st, 2021, 3:50 pm

It would have been interesting to see Keeton finish his career healthy. Before he injured his knee the first time he was all out balling.

slcagg · Post by **slcagg** » July 31st, 2021, 3:51 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 3:50 pm
It would have been interesting to see Keeton finish his career healthy. Before he injured his knee the first time he was all out balling.

I agree. Sure he didn’t have the nfl potential of love but he was amazing that soph year prior to his injury.

Post by **aggies22** » July 31st, 2021, 4:43 pm

slcagg wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 3:51 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 3:50 pm
It would have been interesting to see Keeton finish his career healthy. Before he injured his knee the first time he was all out balling.
I agree. Sure he didn’t have the nfl potential of love but he was amazing that soph year prior to his injury.

Pre-injury, Chuckie was being compared very favorably to Deshaun Watson.

MWCFAN12 · Post by **MWCFAN12** » July 31st, 2021, 5:10 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 4:43 pm

slcagg wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 3:51 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 3:50 pm
It would have been interesting to see Keeton finish his career healthy. Before he injured his knee the first time he was all out balling.
I agree. Sure he didn’t have the nfl potential of love but he was amazing that soph year prior to his injury.
Pre-injury, Chuckie was being compared very favorably to Deshaun Watson.

Sophomore year Chuckie was ridiculous good.

YoungBloodAggie · Post by **YoungBloodAggie** » July 31st, 2021, 7:07 pm

Lot of folks already forgetting how insanely good Chuckie was during his sophomore and pre-injury junior seasons. If he had finished out that junior year, he's got nearly every career record locked down tight. Reminder that Sports Reference has him down for 7 games in 2013, but he was injured so early in the BYU game that it's really more like 6:

Pass yards - 1,388 (pro-rates to 3,239 for 14 games)
Pass TDs - 18 (pro-rates to 42)
Completions - 136 (pro-rates to 317)

That would have given him 86 career passing TDs, 9,244 career passing yards, and 853 completions. All three of those would be good for first all-time at USU. That doesn't even consider if he'd played a real senior season. Chuckie would be miles ahead of every other QB we've ever had statistically speaking.

2013 Chuckie is the best QB we've ever had (currently hitting my Kyle Van Noy voodoo doll with a hammer), although 2018 Love is not terribly far behind.

cdaAg · Post by **cdaAg** » July 31st, 2021, 7:30 pm

I'll toss in mine with on break of the rules.

1. Love
2. pre-injury Chuckie
3. Calvillo
4. Sauk
5. Fuentes
6. Borel
7. Kennedy
8. Garretson
9. Colombi (based on what I saw of his on-field time)
10. Myers

Of note. I have to go back to the LJ3 days to find any desire to have had a qb from the yew over the guy we had.

GameFAQSAggie · Post by **GameFAQSAggie** » July 31st, 2021, 9:07 pm

cdaAg wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 7:30 pm
Of note. I have to go back to the LJ3 days to find any desire to have had a qb from the yew over the guy we had.

Yeah, and most would agree, that you could go back to one year after LJ3, 2008, that the yew had Brian Johnson who we would take over the guy we had, Borel and Setzer. Ever since then, until we had a coach stupid enough to take one of their rejects, Quarterback has been the one position where we would take our guy over his Utah counterpart.

But I would even take LJ3 over Shelley. Heck if I had to choose between LJ3, Bryan Black, Craig Harrison, Post-injury crippled and hobbling Chuckie, and Shelley, Shelley would be my 5th choice.

GameFAQSAggie · Post by **GameFAQSAggie** » July 31st, 2021, 9:10 pm

This is one good memory of Borel.

Also, another good memory of Borel was when he had the 4th and 10 scramble on the game winning drive at San Jose State. That for me ended a 20 game road losing streak, and 10 games I had flown to.

MWCFAN12 · Post by **MWCFAN12** » July 31st, 2021, 9:48 pm

YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 7:07 pm
Lot of folks already forgetting how insanely good Chuckie was during his sophomore and pre-injury junior seasons. If he had finished out that junior year, he's got nearly every career record locked down tight. Reminder that Sports Reference has him down for 7 games in 2013, but he was injured so early in the BYU game that it's really more like 6:

Pass yards - 1,388 (pro-rates to 3,239 for 14 games)
Pass TDs - 18 (pro-rates to 42)
Completions - 136 (pro-rates to 317)

That would have given him 86 career passing TDs, 9,244 career passing yards, and 853 completions. All three of those would be good for first all-time at USU. That doesn't even consider if he'd played a real senior season. Chuckie would be miles ahead of every other QB we've ever had statistically speaking.

2013 Chuckie is the best QB we've ever had (currently hitting my Kyle Van Noy voodoo doll with a hammer), although 2018 Love is not terribly far behind.

I haven't forgotten how good Chuckie was. I just remember just how ridiculous good Calvillo was. He had very little talent around him. That at his prime... May have been the best ever at USU

Slim80 · Post by **Slim80** » July 31st, 2021, 9:57 pm

cdaAg wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 7:30 pm
I'll toss in mine with on break of the rules.

1. Love
2. pre-injury Chuckie
3. Calvillo
4. Sauk
5. Fuentes
6. Borel
7. Kennedy
8. Garretson
9. Colombi (based on what I saw of his on-field time)
10. Myers

Of note. I have to go back to the LJ3 days to find any desire to have had a qb from the yew over the guy we had.

I like your list but I disagree with Myers being number 10. Myers was not a top 10 QB. He got worse as the seasons went on.

GameFAQSAggie · Post by **GameFAQSAggie** » July 31st, 2021, 10:02 pm

Slim80 wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 9:57 pm

cdaAg wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 7:30 pm
I'll toss in mine with on break of the rules.

1. Love
2. pre-injury Chuckie
3. Calvillo
4. Sauk
5. Fuentes
6. Borel
7. Kennedy
8. Garretson
9. Colombi (based on what I saw of his on-field time)
10. Myers

Of note. I have to go back to the LJ3 days to find any desire to have had a qb from the yew over the guy we had.
I like your list but I disagree with Myers being number 10. Myers was not a top 10 QB. He got worse as the seasons went on.

Who, that didn't make the top 9 would you take over Myers?

AggieFBObsession · Post by **AggieFBObsession** » July 31st, 2021, 10:03 pm

I never was unaware of Chuckie's talent and potential. Now I can clearly see what the problem was. Chuckie had multiple QB coaches and offensive coordinators and started his career with Gary Andersen. Enough said. Had he had the current staff and 4 years of the same good coaches, he could've made it to the league. Coulda shoulda woulda.

Notatrueaggie · Post by **Notatrueaggie** » July 31st, 2021, 11:29 pm

2014 Kent Myers was on another level tho. After that it just got worse

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » July 31st, 2021, 11:51 pm

I would go:

Keeton
Love
Calvillo
Fuentes
Borel
Garretson
Sauk
Kennedy
Nelson
Jackson

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » August 1st, 2021, 8:44 am

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 9:48 pm

YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 7:07 pm
Lot of folks already forgetting how insanely good Chuckie was during his sophomore and pre-injury junior seasons. If he had finished out that junior year, he's got nearly every career record locked down tight. Reminder that Sports Reference has him down for 7 games in 2013, but he was injured so early in the BYU game that it's really more like 6:

Pass yards - 1,388 (pro-rates to 3,239 for 14 games)
Pass TDs - 18 (pro-rates to 42)
Completions - 136 (pro-rates to 317)

That would have given him 86 career passing TDs, 9,244 career passing yards, and 853 completions. All three of those would be good for first all-time at USU. That doesn't even consider if he'd played a real senior season. Chuckie would be miles ahead of every other QB we've ever had statistically speaking.

2013 Chuckie is the best QB we've ever had (currently hitting my Kyle Van Noy voodoo doll with a hammer), although 2018 Love is not terribly far behind.
I haven't forgotten how good Chuckie was. I just remember just how ridiculous good Calvillo was. He had very little talent around him. That at his prime... May have been the best ever at USU

Calvillo may have had the strongest arm of any USU QB in the modern era. He was a lot of fun to watch throwing the ball.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » August 1st, 2021, 8:49 am

AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 10:03 pm
I never was unaware of Chuckie's talent and potential. Now I can clearly see what the problem was. Chuckie had multiple QB coaches and offensive coordinators and started his career with Gary Andersen. Enough said. Had he had the current staff and 4 years of the same good coaches, he could've made it to the league. Coulda shoulda woulda.

CK's only issue was injuries. Otherwise, he played well in two different schemes; Baldwin's option-based approach and Wells' spread, up tempo.

It is easy to step on GA right now, and he deserves it, but first-time-around-GA was different than 2020 GA. Give him credit where it is due. He recruited Kennedy, a JC transfer, and CK, a true freshman and let them compete for the job when it would have been really easy - and safe - to just give it to Kennedy just on experience alone but he gave it to CK with his first start being on the road at the defending National Champion's home field. Also, GA dumped Baldwin at the end of the year and promoted Wells which led to CK having the phenomenal Sophomore year. Recruiting those two QB's was a tremendous step in turning the program around and it took a he77 of a sales job to do it.

Blue Sage · Post by **Blue Sage** » August 1st, 2021, 9:00 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 1st, 2021, 8:44 am

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 9:48 pm

YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 7:07 pm
Lot of folks already forgetting how insanely good Chuckie was during his sophomore and pre-injury junior seasons. If he had finished out that junior year, he's got nearly every career record locked down tight. Reminder that Sports Reference has him down for 7 games in 2013, but he was injured so early in the BYU game that it's really more like 6:

Pass yards - 1,388 (pro-rates to 3,239 for 14 games)
Pass TDs - 18 (pro-rates to 42)
Completions - 136 (pro-rates to 317)

That would have given him 86 career passing TDs, 9,244 career passing yards, and 853 completions. All three of those would be good for first all-time at USU. That doesn't even consider if he'd played a real senior season. Chuckie would be miles ahead of every other QB we've ever had statistically speaking.

2013 Chuckie is the best QB we've ever had (currently hitting my Kyle Van Noy voodoo doll with a hammer), although 2018 Love is not terribly far behind.
I haven't forgotten how good Chuckie was. I just remember just how ridiculous good Calvillo was. He had very little talent around him. That at his prime... May have been the best ever at USU
Calvillo may have had the strongest arm of any USU QB in the modern era. He was a lot of fun to watch throwing the ball.

Agree, actually I just can put Love at the top or even the second spot.
Calvillo has to be number one. That guy was insane! He won the game when we pulled down the goal posts! What an arm!!!
Keeton has to be number one also! He was insane. What people have already forgotten is that Keeton was a magician on the field. He could make anything happen even when it wasn’t there. Every snap you expected something big.
Love is a solid #3.

AggieFBObsession · Post by **AggieFBObsession** » August 1st, 2021, 12:39 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 1st, 2021, 8:49 am
CK's only issue was injuries. Otherwise, he played well in two different schemes; Baldwin's option-based approach and Wells' spread, up tempo.

Chuckie was very undecisive throughout his career and had trouble making reads, progressing through reads. That's a coaching issue in hindsight.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » August 1st, 2021, 3:03 pm

AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑
August 1st, 2021, 12:39 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 1st, 2021, 8:49 am
CK's only issue was injuries. Otherwise, he played well in two different schemes; Baldwin's option-based approach and Wells' spread, up tempo.
Chuckie was very undecisive throughout his career and had trouble making reads, progressing through reads. That's a coaching issue in hindsight.

I don't necessarily disagree, I just think that his biggest hinderance was injuries. He had a very productive freshman year until he was hurt, a great sophomore year and a great junior until, again, he was hurt.

Generally speaking, most college passing games are based on a pre-snap read to make it easier for the qb as they don't spend forty hours looking at film like an NFL qb does. This is one reason the spread offense is so popular.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » August 1st, 2021, 3:06 pm

Blue Sage wrote: ↑
August 1st, 2021, 9:00 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 1st, 2021, 8:44 am

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 9:48 pm

YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 7:07 pm
Lot of folks already forgetting how insanely good Chuckie was during his sophomore and pre-injury junior seasons. If he had finished out that junior year, he's got nearly every career record locked down tight. Reminder that Sports Reference has him down for 7 games in 2013, but he was injured so early in the BYU game that it's really more like 6:

Pass yards - 1,388 (pro-rates to 3,239 for 14 games)
Pass TDs - 18 (pro-rates to 42)
Completions - 136 (pro-rates to 317)

That would have given him 86 career passing TDs, 9,244 career passing yards, and 853 completions. All three of those would be good for first all-time at USU. That doesn't even consider if he'd played a real senior season. Chuckie would be miles ahead of every other QB we've ever had statistically speaking.

2013 Chuckie is the best QB we've ever had (currently hitting my Kyle Van Noy voodoo doll with a hammer), although 2018 Love is not terribly far behind.
I haven't forgotten how good Chuckie was. I just remember just how ridiculous good Calvillo was. He had very little talent around him. That at his prime... May have been the best ever at USU
Calvillo may have had the strongest arm of any USU QB in the modern era. He was a lot of fun to watch throwing the ball.
Agree, actually I just can put Love at the top or even the second spot.
Calvillo has to be number one. That guy was insane! He won the game when we pulled down the goal posts! What an arm!!!
Keeton has to be number one also! He was insane. What people have already forgotten is that Keeton was a magician on the field. He could make anything happen even when it wasn’t there. Every snap you expected something big.
Love is a solid #3.

If you look at the BYU game in 1993, he has a throw that travels about 65 yards. That's unreal for an in-game throw. I have it on good authority he could chuck it 60 yards with his left hand as well.

AggieFBObsession · Post by **AggieFBObsession** » August 1st, 2021, 3:53 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 1st, 2021, 3:03 pm
I just think that his biggest hinderance was injuries.

His injuries were the result of his indecisiveness. Holding on to the ball too long when he needed to either throw it away or make the right reads. Running with the ball too long when he just need to step out of bounds. Etc, etc. He had a great desire to compete, but the coaches couldn't reign in his thinking, because there was, especially in the beginning, bad leadership at the top.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » August 1st, 2021, 6:04 pm

AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑
August 1st, 2021, 3:53 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 1st, 2021, 3:03 pm
I just think that his biggest hinderance was injuries.
His injuries were the result of his indecisiveness. Holding on to the ball too long when he needed to either throw it away or make the right reads. Running with the ball too long when he just need to step out of bounds. Etc, etc. He had a great desire to compete, but the coaches couldn't reign in his thinking, because there was, especially in the beginning, bad leadership at the top.

It's just as easy to get hurt standing in the pocket. It's a violent game and he was a mobile qb who was recruited for his ability to make plays with his feet and his arm.

Post by **aggies22** » August 1st, 2021, 7:26 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 1st, 2021, 8:49 am

AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 10:03 pm
I never was unaware of Chuckie's talent and potential. Now I can clearly see what the problem was. Chuckie had multiple QB coaches and offensive coordinators and started his career with Gary Andersen. Enough said. Had he had the current staff and 4 years of the same good coaches, he could've made it to the league. Coulda shoulda woulda.
CK's only issue was injuries. Otherwise, he played well in two different schemes; Baldwin's option-based approach and Wells' spread, up tempo.

It is easy to step on GA right now, and he deserves it, but first-time-around-GA was different than 2020 GA. Give him credit where it is due. He recruited Kennedy, a JC transfer, and CK, a true freshman and let them compete for the job when it would have been really easy - and safe - to just give it to Kennedy just on experience alone but he gave it to CK with his first start being on the road at the defending National Champion's home field. Also, GA dumped Baldwin at the end of the year and promoted Wells which led to CK having the phenomenal Sophomore year. Recruiting those two QB's was a tremendous step in turning the program around and it took a he77 of a sales job to do it.

How are we forgetting about Mike Sanford Sr. when talking about offensive coordinators?

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » August 1st, 2021, 9:11 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
August 1st, 2021, 7:26 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 1st, 2021, 8:49 am

AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 10:03 pm
I never was unaware of Chuckie's talent and potential. Now I can clearly see what the problem was. Chuckie had multiple QB coaches and offensive coordinators and started his career with Gary Andersen. Enough said. Had he had the current staff and 4 years of the same good coaches, he could've made it to the league. Coulda shoulda woulda.
CK's only issue was injuries. Otherwise, he played well in two different schemes; Baldwin's option-based approach and Wells' spread, up tempo.

It is easy to step on GA right now, and he deserves it, but first-time-around-GA was different than 2020 GA. Give him credit where it is due. He recruited Kennedy, a JC transfer, and CK, a true freshman and let them compete for the job when it would have been really easy - and safe - to just give it to Kennedy just on experience alone but he gave it to CK with his first start being on the road at the defending National Champion's home field. Also, GA dumped Baldwin at the end of the year and promoted Wells which led to CK having the phenomenal Sophomore year. Recruiting those two QB's was a tremendous step in turning the program around and it took a he77 of a sales job to do it.
How are we forgetting about Mike Sanford Sr. when talking about offensive coordinators?

2019 wasn't nearly as explosive as 2018. Though, we lost a lot of talent after the 2018 season.

mcaggie1 · Post by **mcaggie1** » August 2nd, 2021, 11:32 am

Just for fun, I would take Bill Munsen as the top qback. He had a great career at USU, and had by far the best NFL than any other Aggie qb. I would take Tony Adam’s next and Eric Hipple as 3rd best. Then Calvillo, Keeton,, Love, and Borel.
The strongest arm was Craig Bradshaw, Terry Bradshaw’s brother. He was not a regular starter though, but I watched him in practice. He threw it too hard at times, and could go 70 yds plus with ease

BigBlueDart · Post by **BigBlueDart** » August 2nd, 2021, 12:29 pm

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August 1st, 2021, 9:11 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
August 1st, 2021, 7:26 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
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AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 10:03 pm
I never was unaware of Chuckie's talent and potential. Now I can clearly see what the problem was. Chuckie had multiple QB coaches and offensive coordinators and started his career with Gary Andersen. Enough said. Had he had the current staff and 4 years of the same good coaches, he could've made it to the league. Coulda shoulda woulda.
CK's only issue was injuries. Otherwise, he played well in two different schemes; Baldwin's option-based approach and Wells' spread, up tempo.

It is easy to step on GA right now, and he deserves it, but first-time-around-GA was different than 2020 GA. Give him credit where it is due. He recruited Kennedy, a JC transfer, and CK, a true freshman and let them compete for the job when it would have been really easy - and safe - to just give it to Kennedy just on experience alone but he gave it to CK with his first start being on the road at the defending National Champion's home field. Also, GA dumped Baldwin at the end of the year and promoted Wells which led to CK having the phenomenal Sophomore year. Recruiting those two QB's was a tremendous step in turning the program around and it took a he77 of a sales job to do it.
How are we forgetting about Mike Sanford Sr. when talking about offensive coordinators?
2019 wasn't nearly as explosive as 2018. Though, we lost a lot of talent after the 2018 season.

Mike Sanford Sr was never our offensive coordinator, but I believe he played a big part in helping Matt Wells step up to the plate as the OC in 2012. I definitely remember his contribution when talking about that year.

Florida, you're thinking of his son, Mike Sanford Jr, who was our OC in 2019.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » August 2nd, 2021, 1:41 pm

BigBlueDart wrote: ↑
August 2nd, 2021, 12:29 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 1st, 2021, 9:11 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
August 1st, 2021, 7:26 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 1st, 2021, 8:49 am

AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑
July 31st, 2021, 10:03 pm
I never was unaware of Chuckie's talent and potential. Now I can clearly see what the problem was. Chuckie had multiple QB coaches and offensive coordinators and started his career with Gary Andersen. Enough said. Had he had the current staff and 4 years of the same good coaches, he could've made it to the league. Coulda shoulda woulda.
CK's only issue was injuries. Otherwise, he played well in two different schemes; Baldwin's option-based approach and Wells' spread, up tempo.

It is easy to step on GA right now, and he deserves it, but first-time-around-GA was different than 2020 GA. Give him credit where it is due. He recruited Kennedy, a JC transfer, and CK, a true freshman and let them compete for the job when it would have been really easy - and safe - to just give it to Kennedy just on experience alone but he gave it to CK with his first start being on the road at the defending National Champion's home field. Also, GA dumped Baldwin at the end of the year and promoted Wells which led to CK having the phenomenal Sophomore year. Recruiting those two QB's was a tremendous step in turning the program around and it took a he77 of a sales job to do it.
How are we forgetting about Mike Sanford Sr. when talking about offensive coordinators?
2019 wasn't nearly as explosive as 2018. Though, we lost a lot of talent after the 2018 season.
Mike Sanford Sr was never our offensive coordinator, but I believe he played a big part in helping Matt Wells step up to the plate as the OC in 2012. I definitely remember his contribution when talking about that year.

Florida, you're thinking of his son, Mike Sanford Jr, who was our OC in 2019.

You're absolutely correct, thanks!

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