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Re: AAC Western Expansion Smoke

Post by 3rdGenAggie » July 24th, 2021, 12:54 pm

The Big XII leftovers are apparently in talks with the PAC 12 to create a second 20 team mega-conference. If that were to happen, I'm sure the B1G would take 6 from the ACC to make a third.


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Post by USU78 » July 24th, 2021, 1:08 pm

Anyone else reminded of the Russian, Prusso-German, and Austrian empires in the XIIIth-XIXth Centuries, all tussling with each other to be the biggest and baddest in Central and Eastern Europe, at least when not running scared from the Frogs?
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Re: AAC Western Expansion Smoke

Post by Aggiealum13 » July 24th, 2021, 4:56 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote:
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The Big XII leftovers are apparently in talks with the PAC 12 to create a second 20 team mega-conference. If that were to happen, I'm sure the B1G would take 6 from the ACC to make a third.
How are they picking up the eight leftovers when West Virginia is one of them? I don't buy that one. Sure they can try pick up the others, but I still think that Kansas and Iowa State go Big 10. So if 20 teams is the goal for the Pac-12 then they got to pick up some group of five teams. However I just don't buy the whole Pac 12 will pick up the leftovers anyways. They are as picky as ever on who to choose. All their schools have medical schools. A few of the potential Big 12 leftovers don't. The more likely scenario if the Big 12 doesn't survive is teams are going to be picked up piecemeal. Big 10 will take a couple, Pac 12 will take a couple, the AAC will take a couple. Heck maybe even the Mountain West will take a couple, we'll see.



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Re: AAC Western Expansion Smoke

Post by calaggie » July 24th, 2021, 5:20 pm

Aggiealum13 wrote:
July 24th, 2021, 4:56 pm
3rdGenAggie wrote:
July 24th, 2021, 12:54 pm
The Big XII leftovers are apparently in talks with the PAC 12 to create a second 20 team mega-conference. If that were to happen, I'm sure the B1G would take 6 from the ACC to make a third.
How are they picking up the eight leftovers when West Virginia is one of them? I don't buy that one. Sure they can try pick up the others, but I still think that Kansas and Iowa State go Big 10. So if 20 teams is the goal for the Pac-12 then they got to pick up some group of five teams. However I just don't buy the whole Pac 12 will pick up the leftovers anyways. They are as picky as ever on who to choose. All their schools have medical schools. A few of the potential Big 12 leftovers don't. The more likely scenario if the Big 12 doesn't survive is teams are going to be picked up piecemeal. Big 10 will take a couple, Pac 12 will take a couple, the AAC will take a couple. Heck maybe even the Mountain West will take a couple, we'll see.
This idea originated with the Big 12 leftovers, and the PAC commissioner has already said “no thanks.” I think TCU and Baylor would be complete non-starters for the PAC membership, and WVU is just too far away. Also, I’m pretty sure Wazzu, Oregon State and ASU don’t have med schools.
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Re: AAC Western Expansion Smoke

Post by ChowderAggie » July 24th, 2021, 5:47 pm

Why wouldn’t the BIG go after some Pac 12 teams over Kansas and Iowa State?



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Post by AGGIEinIOWA » July 24th, 2021, 10:08 pm

I don’t think the BigTen will go after Iowa State. I personally like Iowa State but they don’t bring anything to the Big Ten. Iowa is a Hawkeye state already. More likely they end up in the AAC or MWC than the Big Ten in my opinion.



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Post by BLUERUFiO » July 24th, 2021, 10:21 pm

Do we trust the MWC to make the right moves here?
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Post by Slim80 » July 24th, 2021, 10:29 pm

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Do we trust the MWC to make the right moves here?
Good question. I am very skeptical that Craig Thompson will make the right moves based on his track record.



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Post by GeoAg » July 24th, 2021, 10:44 pm

Slim80 wrote:
July 24th, 2021, 10:29 pm
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Do we trust the MWC to make the right moves here?
Good question. I am very skeptical that Craig Thompson will make the right moves based on his track record.
He has some issues but his track record is great when it comes to this kind of thing. He saved the MWC from extinction 10 years ago and almost relegated USU to the same fate as Idaho or NMSU.
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Post by ineptimusprime » July 25th, 2021, 8:53 am

ChowderAggie wrote:
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Why wouldn’t the BIG go after some Pac 12 teams over Kansas and Iowa State?
Geographic fit? Kansas brings a blueblood basketball program, the KC TV market, etc.

Kansas also produces more revenue than most of the Pac-12. You can say it’s all about football, but it’s really all about money.

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Post by slcagg » July 25th, 2021, 9:34 am

ineptimusprime wrote:
July 25th, 2021, 8:53 am
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July 24th, 2021, 5:47 pm
Why wouldn’t the BIG go after some Pac 12 teams over Kansas and Iowa State?
Geographic fit? Kansas brings a blueblood basketball program, the KC TV market, etc.

Kansas also produces more revenue than most of the Pac-12. You can say it’s all about football, but it’s really all about money.

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances
Ku is the top choice for the big 10 and it’s not even close.



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Re: AAC Western Expansion Smoke

Post by LarryTheAggie » July 25th, 2021, 10:12 am

slcagg wrote:
July 25th, 2021, 9:34 am
ineptimusprime wrote:
July 25th, 2021, 8:53 am
ChowderAggie wrote:
July 24th, 2021, 5:47 pm
Why wouldn’t the BIG go after some Pac 12 teams over Kansas and Iowa State?
Geographic fit? Kansas brings a blueblood basketball program, the KC TV market, etc.

Kansas also produces more revenue than most of the Pac-12. You can say it’s all about football, but it’s really all about money.

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances
Ku is the top choice for the big 10 and it’s not even close.
Also, the big ten cares quite a bit about academics, maybe even more than the Pac12 does. Kansas is well respected academically. So it makes sense in that sense too.



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Re: AAC Western Expansion Smoke

Post by ChowderAggie » July 25th, 2021, 3:43 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote:
July 25th, 2021, 10:12 am
slcagg wrote:
July 25th, 2021, 9:34 am
ineptimusprime wrote:
July 25th, 2021, 8:53 am
ChowderAggie wrote:
July 24th, 2021, 5:47 pm
Why wouldn’t the BIG go after some Pac 12 teams over Kansas and Iowa State?
Geographic fit? Kansas brings a blueblood basketball program, the KC TV market, etc.

Kansas also produces more revenue than most of the Pac-12. You can say it’s all about football, but it’s really all about money.

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances
Ku is the top choice for the big 10 and it’s not even close.
Also, the big ten cares quite a bit about academics, maybe even more than the Pac12 does. Kansas is well respected academically. So it makes sense in that sense too.
PAC 12 schools are ranked much higher than Kansas.

I just think adding USC and a few others would make a similar slash as Texas and OU to the SEC.



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Re: AAC Western Expansion Smoke

Post by ViAggie » July 26th, 2021, 9:18 am

the PAC isn't going to liferaft the Big 12 leftovers, no way in hell the PAC is going to invite Texas Tech, et al, to join. Not going to happen. Look for the new SWC emergence ala the Big 12 name. ybu will still be homeless for FB.
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Post by BLUERUFiO » July 26th, 2021, 9:23 am

I do think it’s more likely that the BIG12 grabs a few schools and continues forward. I think Boise will be looking to hop on over there.


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Post by LarryTheAggie » July 26th, 2021, 9:44 am

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I do think it’s more likely that the BIG12 grabs a few schools and continues forward. I think Boise will be looking to hop on over there.
I agree. Most likely the big 12 takes some AAC schools and maybe Boise byu, sdsu or csu. Maybe some of the western aac come to the mountain west. And the mwc and aac raid the lower 3 g5 conferences. Finally the lower 3 condense into two and either the sunbelt of conference usa folds.
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Re: AAC Western Expansion Smoke

Post by BLUERUFiO » July 26th, 2021, 10:02 am

LarryTheAggie wrote:
July 26th, 2021, 9:44 am
BLUERUFiO wrote:
July 26th, 2021, 9:23 am
I do think it’s more likely that the BIG12 grabs a few schools and continues forward. I think Boise will be looking to hop on over there.
I agree. Most likely the big 12 takes some AAC schools and maybe Boise byu, sdsu or csu. Maybe some of the western aac come to the mountain west. And the mwc and aac raid the lower 3 g5 conferences. Finally the lower 3 condense into two and either the sunbelt of conference usa folds.
Yup, and I'm OK with it. I just want good, regional sports. I've accepted that we don't/can't/won't make the money required to compete in college football at the highest levels (Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, etc.). The money disparity is insane: https://graphics.wsj.com/table/NCAA_2019

However, I think we can be a premier G5 school that competes with middle of the road P5 schools in college football.
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Re: AAC Western Expansion Smoke

Post by Aggie84025 » July 26th, 2021, 10:09 am

BLUERUFiO wrote:
July 26th, 2021, 10:02 am
LarryTheAggie wrote:
July 26th, 2021, 9:44 am
BLUERUFiO wrote:
July 26th, 2021, 9:23 am
I do think it’s more likely that the BIG12 grabs a few schools and continues forward. I think Boise will be looking to hop on over there.
I agree. Most likely the big 12 takes some AAC schools and maybe Boise byu, sdsu or csu. Maybe some of the western aac come to the mountain west. And the mwc and aac raid the lower 3 g5 conferences. Finally the lower 3 condense into two and either the sunbelt of conference usa folds.
Yup, and I'm OK with it. I just want good, regional sports. I've accepted that we don't/can't/won't make the money required to compete in college football at the highest levels (Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, etc.). The money disparity is insane: https://graphics.wsj.com/table/NCAA_2019

However, I think we can be a premier G5 school that competes with middle of the road P5 schools in college football.
These are my thoughts exactly. I just hope we are in a conference with regional rivalries. I realize there may be some adjustments of a few teams leaving, but then we would possibly add some replacements. We are never going to be P5 status, but do think we can be a really competitive program within the G5 ranks.
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Re: AAC Western Expansion Smoke

Post by ViAggie » July 26th, 2021, 10:58 am

Big 12 is simply going to snatch Houston and Cincinnati and maybe just maybe two more (if they were smart, they'd go after Wichita State). Boise state nor ybu is going to be neither of the other two. Oddly, I can see them inviting SDSU though, there's talk around town...
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Re: AAC Western Expansion Smoke

Post by slcagg » July 26th, 2021, 11:37 am

ViAggie wrote:
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Big 12 is simply going to snatch Houston and Cincinnati and maybe just maybe two more (if they were smart, they'd go after Wichita State). Boise state nor ybu is going to be neither of the other two. Oddly, I can see them inviting SDSU though, there's talk around town...
Have Wichita add football?

I personally think other schools are leaving the b12. But I’m curious to see how it all pans out.



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Post by SwaggieAggie » July 26th, 2021, 12:09 pm

ViAggie wrote:
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Big 12 is simply going to snatch Houston and Cincinnati and maybe just maybe two more (if they were smart, they'd go after Wichita State). Boise state nor ybu is going to be neither of the other two. Oddly, I can see them inviting SDSU though, there's talk around town...
Curious to why you’re so confident that BYU isn’t near the top of that list? We all know why they passed on them before, but things are obviously a lot different now. This conference is on the verge of death and BYU has a bigger brand and fanbase than any of those schools you mentioned. Just like when the awful idea of Craig Smith going to Utah started to float around, we should probably be prepared for this one too.

SDSU is interesting.. But I would hate to lose them or Boise. Really hope the MWC can stay somewhat relevant throughout all this, especially with an expanded 12 team playoff format on the horizon.

Ideally, Big 12 blows up, they scramble, and maybe MWC could grab a couple of schools to strengthen the conference. Likely? No. But man it would be nice..
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Post by Sl7vk » July 26th, 2021, 12:26 pm

slcagg wrote:
July 26th, 2021, 11:37 am
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July 26th, 2021, 10:58 am
Big 12 is simply going to snatch Houston and Cincinnati and maybe just maybe two more (if they were smart, they'd go after Wichita State). Boise state nor ybu is going to be neither of the other two. Oddly, I can see them inviting SDSU though, there's talk around town...
Have Wichita add football?

I personally think other schools are leaving the b12. But I’m curious to see how it all pans out.
Wichita has football. You'll have been watching Ted Lasso right? :crazy:



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Post by slcagg » July 26th, 2021, 12:41 pm

Sl7vk wrote:
July 26th, 2021, 12:26 pm
slcagg wrote:
July 26th, 2021, 11:37 am
ViAggie wrote:
July 26th, 2021, 10:58 am
Big 12 is simply going to snatch Houston and Cincinnati and maybe just maybe two more (if they were smart, they'd go after Wichita State). Boise state nor ybu is going to be neither of the other two. Oddly, I can see them inviting SDSU though, there's talk around town...
Have Wichita add football?

I personally think other schools are leaving the b12. But I’m curious to see how it all pans out.
Wichita has football. You'll have been watching Ted Lasso right? :crazy:
It’s a question.

However I did watch my first episode of lasso this weekend. 😁
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Post by USU78 » July 26th, 2021, 1:04 pm

slcagg wrote:
July 26th, 2021, 11:37 am
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July 26th, 2021, 10:58 am
Big 12 is simply going to snatch Houston and Cincinnati and maybe just maybe two more (if they were smart, they'd go after Wichita State). Boise state nor ybu is going to be neither of the other two. Oddly, I can see them inviting SDSU though, there's talk around town...
Have Wichita add football?I personally think other schools are leaving the b12. But I’m curious to see how it all pans out.
Wichita St applied to the MWC to join in all sports. They were turned down. They made the application while in the process of preparing to apply for demolition permits + fundraising for demolition costs. They got the permits after being turned down by the MWC (a bad call, in my view).

https://www.wichita.edu/about/public_in ... tadium.php


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Post by NavyBlueAggie » July 26th, 2021, 1:24 pm

Wichita State joined the American Athletic Conference in 2017 after many season in the Missouri valley Conference. Seems they still haven't regenerated their football program which has been mothballed for years. I wonder if, when the conference alignment wheels begin turning, they are granted admission to the MWC as a full sport institution. They reportedly have a fine reputations for academics.



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Wichita State joined the American Athletic Conference in 2017 after many season in the Missouri valley Conference. Seems they still haven't regenerated their football program which has been mothballed for years. I wonder if, when the conference alignment wheels begin turning, they are granted admission to the MWC as a full sport institution. They reportedly have a fine reputations for academics.
Well ... they demonstrated they aren't averse to bringing it back, assuming the right opportunity presents itself. I've always liked the school ... seems like a blood brother program as 3rd wheel school in Kansas.


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The Big XII leftovers are apparently in talks with the PAC 12 to create a second 20 team mega-conference. If that were to happen, I'm sure the B1G would take 6 from the ACC to make a third.
How are they picking up the eight leftovers when West Virginia is one of them? I don't buy that one. Sure they can try pick up the others, but I still think that Kansas and Iowa State go Big 10. So if 20 teams is the goal for the Pac-12 then they got to pick up some group of five teams. However I just don't buy the whole Pac 12 will pick up the leftovers anyways. They are as picky as ever on who to choose. All their schools have medical schools. A few of the potential Big 12 leftovers don't. The more likely scenario if the Big 12 doesn't survive is teams are going to be picked up piecemeal. Big 10 will take a couple, Pac 12 will take a couple, the AAC will take a couple. Heck maybe even the Mountain West will take a couple, we'll see.
This idea originated with the Big 12 leftovers, and the PAC commissioner has already said “no thanks.” I think TCU and Baylor would be complete non-starters for the PAC membership, and WVU is just too far away. Also, I’m pretty sure Wazzu, Oregon State and ASU don’t have med schools.
That recently changed for the Cougs.
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Post by ViAggie » July 26th, 2021, 2:01 pm

There's "talk" of a PAC 20 which sends Utah and Colorado (back) to the Big 12 splitting the two divisions east west instead of North South. I don't see it. Colorado won't go for it, Utah probably not either because playing mostly out east doesn't help with recruiting. Likely scratch that idea. I think the Big12 survives + some AAC schools and maybe ybu, but why would ybu want to join a watered down Big12 that wouldn't necessarily be seen as a P5 anymore?


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Post by flying_scotsman2.0 » July 26th, 2021, 2:02 pm

WAaggieFan wrote:
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The Big XII leftovers are apparently in talks with the PAC 12 to create a second 20 team mega-conference. If that were to happen, I'm sure the B1G would take 6 from the ACC to make a third.
How are they picking up the eight leftovers when West Virginia is one of them? I don't buy that one. Sure they can try pick up the others, but I still think that Kansas and Iowa State go Big 10. So if 20 teams is the goal for the Pac-12 then they got to pick up some group of five teams. However I just don't buy the whole Pac 12 will pick up the leftovers anyways. They are as picky as ever on who to choose. All their schools have medical schools. A few of the potential Big 12 leftovers don't. The more likely scenario if the Big 12 doesn't survive is teams are going to be picked up piecemeal. Big 10 will take a couple, Pac 12 will take a couple, the AAC will take a couple. Heck maybe even the Mountain West will take a couple, we'll see.
This idea originated with the Big 12 leftovers, and the PAC commissioner has already said “no thanks.” I think TCU and Baylor would be complete non-starters for the PAC membership, and WVU is just too far away. Also, I’m pretty sure Wazzu, Oregon State and ASU don’t have med schools.
That recently changed for the Cougs.
https://medicine.wsu.edu/
It's upsetting to me that this isn't a thing at USU. Instead we just have the medical school at the U, which is more concerned about recruiting a diverse class from out of state every year, and now a slew of private DO schools moving in around the state.



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Re: AAC Western Expansion Smoke

Post by 3rdGenAggie » July 26th, 2021, 2:37 pm

There is just no way in which the MWC and AAC survive, but the Big 12 doesn't. Teams will be eager to leave for the Big 12 regardless of its makeup and P5 status. Even if Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and one other (Okie State probably) leave, AAC and MWC teams will be falling over themselves to get in line as back-fill.
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Re: AAC Western Expansion Smoke

Post by ChowderAggie » July 26th, 2021, 3:12 pm

slcagg wrote:
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Why wouldn’t the BIG go after some Pac 12 teams over Kansas and Iowa State?
Geographic fit? Kansas brings a blueblood basketball program, the KC TV market, etc.

Kansas also produces more revenue than most of the Pac-12. You can say it’s all about football, but it’s really all about money.

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances
Ku is the top choice for the big 10 and it’s not even close.
KU does nothing to make up for the SEC adding Texas and OU.

Adding USC, Stanford, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington would be huge for the B1G. Adding KU and ISU? Not so much.



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Re: AAC Western Expansion Smoke

Post by ViAggie » July 26th, 2021, 3:37 pm

ineptimusprime wrote:
July 25th, 2021, 8:53 am
ChowderAggie wrote:
July 24th, 2021, 5:47 pm
Why wouldn’t the BIG go after some Pac 12 teams over Kansas and Iowa State?
Geographic fit? Kansas brings a blueblood basketball program, the KC TV market, etc.

Kansas also produces more revenue than most of the Pac-12. You can say it’s all about football, but it’s really all about money.

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances
I was genuinely surprised to see that AFA is the top earner for the MWC, Boise was like 4th? Interesting. Yea looking at how much money those Big12 schools make, there is ZERO chance any of them are bolting to the *snicker* AAC or MWC.


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Re: AAC Western Expansion Smoke

Post by WAaggieFan » July 26th, 2021, 3:46 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
July 26th, 2021, 2:02 pm
WAaggieFan wrote:
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The Big XII leftovers are apparently in talks with the PAC 12 to create a second 20 team mega-conference. If that were to happen, I'm sure the B1G would take 6 from the ACC to make a third.
How are they picking up the eight leftovers when West Virginia is one of them? I don't buy that one. Sure they can try pick up the others, but I still think that Kansas and Iowa State go Big 10. So if 20 teams is the goal for the Pac-12 then they got to pick up some group of five teams. However I just don't buy the whole Pac 12 will pick up the leftovers anyways. They are as picky as ever on who to choose. All their schools have medical schools. A few of the potential Big 12 leftovers don't. The more likely scenario if the Big 12 doesn't survive is teams are going to be picked up piecemeal. Big 10 will take a couple, Pac 12 will take a couple, the AAC will take a couple. Heck maybe even the Mountain West will take a couple, we'll see.
This idea originated with the Big 12 leftovers, and the PAC commissioner has already said “no thanks.” I think TCU and Baylor would be complete non-starters for the PAC membership, and WVU is just too far away. Also, I’m pretty sure Wazzu, Oregon State and ASU don’t have med schools.
That recently changed for the Cougs.
https://medicine.wsu.edu/
It's upsetting to me that this isn't a thing at USU. Instead we just have the medical school at the U, which is more concerned about recruiting a diverse class from out of state every year, and now a slew of private DO schools moving in around the state.
WA legislature stepped up and changed a law that had kept WSU from having a med school. It also helped that Spokane had enough of a medical industry that UW med school had already established a presence on the east side of the state through the WSU satellite campus and the hospitals over there. Once WSU got the law changed it made total sense to roll that all over from the U.
Unfortunately, two things won’t let it happen at USU. One, Logan is only 80 miles from the main medical industry center in the state. Spokane and Seattle are 300 miles and nearly a 5 hour drive apart. Plus the Spokane metro area is five times the size of Logan so it can support a much larger medical industry.
Two, I just don’t really see the Utah legislature really stepping up in a way that could ever be construed as showing preference to any institution not UoU.
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