Does anyone remember......

mcaggie1 · Post by **mcaggie1** » March 24th, 2021, 11:50 am

....what was Bobby Wagner’s and Robert Turbin’s star ratings coming out of HS, and did other schools recruit them?

Every time I see a ** rating on a commit I think “can’t we do better than that? “. And then I think of many players who played at USU as ** athletes who played or are now playing in the NFL. I KNOW, I KNOW, the star rating system is flawed to a point. And we can only survive by being a player developmental program.

slcagg · Post by **slcagg** » March 24th, 2021, 11:56 am

The star ranking has evolved since the early 2000s but I would assume a 2 star or no star.

thegreendalegelf · Post by **thegreendalegelf** » March 24th, 2021, 1:40 pm

mcaggie1 wrote: ↑
March 24th, 2021, 11:50 am
....what was Bobby Wagner’s and Robert Turbin’s star ratings coming out of HS, and did other schools recruit them?

Every time I see a ** rating on a commit I think “can’t we do better than that? “. And then I think of many players who played at USU as ** athletes who played or are now playing in the NFL. I KNOW, I KNOW, the star rating system is flawed to a point. And we can only survive by being a player developmental program.

So here is a cheat sheet on what star ratings mean from what I have heard. 22 probably knows better and should correct me if I am wrong.

5 star - Expected to be a starter/contributor on a P5 team as a freshman/sophomore.
4 star - Expected to be a starter/contributor on a G5 team as a freshman/sophomore. Expected to be a starter/contributor on a P5 team as a junior/senior.
3 star - Expected to be a starter/contributor on a FCS team as a freshman/sophomore. Expected to be a starter/contributor on a G5 team as a junior/senior.
2 star - Expected to be a starter/contributor on a FCS team as a junior/senior.

But My understanding is that Wagner and Turbin were 2 star guys.

mcaggie1 · Post by **mcaggie1** » March 24th, 2021, 3:05 pm

thegreendalegelf wrote: ↑
March 24th, 2021, 1:40 pm

mcaggie1 wrote: ↑
March 24th, 2021, 11:50 am
....what was Bobby Wagner’s and Robert Turbin’s star ratings coming out of HS, and did other schools recruit them?

Every time I see a ** rating on a commit I think “can’t we do better than that? “. And then I think of many players who played at USU as ** athletes who played or are now playing in the NFL. I KNOW, I KNOW, the star rating system is flawed to a point. And we can only survive by being a player developmental program.
So here is a cheat sheet on what star ratings mean from what I have heard. 22 probably knows better and should correct me if I am wrong.

5 star - Expected to be a starter/contributor on a P5 team as a freshman/sophomore.
4 star - Expected to be a starter/contributor on a G5 team as a freshman/sophomore. Expected to be a starter/contributor on a P5 team as a junior/senior.
3 star - Expected to be a starter/contributor on a FCS team as a freshman/sophomore. Expected to be a starter/contributor on a G5 team as a junior/senior.
2 star - Expected to be a starter/contributor on a FCS team as a junior/senior.

But My understanding is that Wagner and Turbin were 2 star guys.

Thank you both. When you consider Wagner...the whole system gets shot to hell. (Sorry...heck) (I can’t help it...I am from Hyrum)

2004AG · Post by **2004AG** » March 24th, 2021, 3:14 pm

There are obviously exceptions but it’s not coincidence that Alabama, Ohio State and Clemson sign the top classes every year and then play for the national championship.

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bullshot · Post by **bullshot** » March 24th, 2021, 3:52 pm

slcagg wrote: ↑
March 24th, 2021, 11:56 am
The star ranking has evolved since the early 2000s but I would assume a 2 star or no star.

Is there ever a 1* ratings? I don’t think I’ve seen one.

Post by **aggies22** » March 24th, 2021, 3:57 pm

thegreendalegelf wrote: ↑
March 24th, 2021, 1:40 pm

mcaggie1 wrote: ↑
March 24th, 2021, 11:50 am
....what was Bobby Wagner’s and Robert Turbin’s star ratings coming out of HS, and did other schools recruit them?

Every time I see a ** rating on a commit I think “can’t we do better than that? “. And then I think of many players who played at USU as ** athletes who played or are now playing in the NFL. I KNOW, I KNOW, the star rating system is flawed to a point. And we can only survive by being a player developmental program.
So here is a cheat sheet on what star ratings mean from what I have heard. 22 probably knows better and should correct me if I am wrong.

5 star - Expected to be a starter/contributor on a P5 team as a freshman/sophomore.
4 star - Expected to be a starter/contributor on a G5 team as a freshman/sophomore. Expected to be a starter/contributor on a P5 team as a junior/senior.
3 star - Expected to be a starter/contributor on a FCS team as a freshman/sophomore. Expected to be a starter/contributor on a G5 team as a junior/senior.
2 star - Expected to be a starter/contributor on a FCS team as a junior/senior.

But My understanding is that Wagner and Turbin were 2 star guys.

I like what you have here my Aggie brother.

Post by **aggies22** » March 24th, 2021, 3:58 pm

bullshot wrote: ↑
March 24th, 2021, 3:52 pm

slcagg wrote: ↑
March 24th, 2021, 11:56 am
The star ranking has evolved since the early 2000s but I would assume a 2 star or no star.
Is there ever a 1* ratings? I don’t think I’ve seen one.

Yes. I've seen 1* guys before.

mcaggie1 · Post by **mcaggie1** » March 24th, 2021, 4:06 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
March 24th, 2021, 3:58 pm

bullshot wrote: ↑
March 24th, 2021, 3:52 pm

slcagg wrote: ↑
March 24th, 2021, 11:56 am
The star ranking has evolved since the early 2000s but I would assume a 2 star or no star.
Is there ever a 1* ratings? I don’t think I’ve seen one.
Yes. I've seen 1* guys before.

I’ve seen guys come through our program hat should be rated -1*. ( that’s a minus)

Aggiefan160 · Post by **Aggiefan160** » March 24th, 2021, 4:37 pm

mcaggie1 wrote: ↑
March 24th, 2021, 4:06 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
March 24th, 2021, 3:58 pm

bullshot wrote: ↑
March 24th, 2021, 3:52 pm

slcagg wrote: ↑
March 24th, 2021, 11:56 am
The star ranking has evolved since the early 2000s but I would assume a 2 star or no star.
Is there ever a 1* ratings? I don’t think I’ve seen one.
Yes. I've seen 1* guys before.
I’ve seen guys come through our program hat should be rated -1*. ( that’s a minus)

I thought it looked phallic in nature, and I agree, we’ve had a few Richards on the team.

NowhereLandAggie · Post by **NowhereLandAggie** » March 24th, 2021, 8:59 pm

mcaggie1 wrote: ↑
March 24th, 2021, 11:50 am
....what was Bobby Wagner’s and Robert Turbin’s star ratings coming out of HS, and did other schools recruit them?

Every time I see a ** rating on a commit I think “can’t we do better than that? “. And then I think of many players who played at USU as ** athletes who played or are now playing in the NFL. I KNOW, I KNOW, the star rating system is flawed to a point. And we can only survive by being a player developmental program.

Both Bobby Wagner and Robert Turbin were 2* recruits. Also Kerwynn Williams and Michael Smith were as well.

Wagner, a future HOF player was rated as the 2036th best player in the country that season and the 161st best LB in 2008. He had no other FBS offers.

https://247sports.com/player/bobby-wagner-56373/

Robert Turbin was the 100th rated RB and the 1543rd player. He also had no other offers.

https://247sports.com/player/robert-turbin-54011/

NavyBlueAggie · Post by **NavyBlueAggie** » April 11th, 2021, 11:29 am

thegreendalegelf wrote: ↑
March 24th, 2021, 1:40 pm

mcaggie1 wrote: ↑
March 24th, 2021, 11:50 am
....what was Bobby Wagner’s and Robert Turbin’s star ratings coming out of HS, and did other schools recruit them?

Every time I see a ** rating on a commit I think “can’t we do better than that? “. And then I think of many players who played at USU as ** athletes who played or are now playing in the NFL. I KNOW, I KNOW, the star rating system is flawed to a point. And we can only survive by being a player developmental program.
So here is a cheat sheet on what star ratings mean from what I have heard. 22 probably knows better and should correct me if I am wrong.

5 star - Expected to be a starter/contributor on a P5 team as a freshman/sophomore.
4 star - Expected to be a starter/contributor on a G5 team as a freshman/sophomore. Expected to be a starter/contributor on a P5 team as a junior/senior.
3 star - Expected to be a starter/contributor on a FCS team as a freshman/sophomore. Expected to be a starter/contributor on a G5 team as a junior/senior.
2 star - Expected to be a starter/contributor on a FCS team as a junior/senior.

But My understanding is that Wagner and Turbin were 2 star guys.

Thank you "Green" as I hadn't seen this definition until now. Probably should spend more time on the board though....

Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » April 14th, 2021, 5:29 pm

2004AG wrote: ↑
March 24th, 2021, 3:14 pm
There are obviously exceptions but it’s not coincidence that Alabama, Ohio State and Clemson sign the top classes every year and then play for the national championship.

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Yep. There are obviously 2 star players who become superstars and 5 star players who become busts, but as a whole I'll take a group of 4 and 5 star recruits. Alabama obviously wins the national title routinely, but before that they land the top rated recruiting class. In 2021 the top 2 recruiting classes were Alabama and Ohio State. It is no coincidence the teams playing in the national title game recruit the best.

YouTossedEight · Post by **YouTossedEight** » April 14th, 2021, 8:09 pm

I thought I remembered that Turbin was heavily recruited by several P5 programs, but as a DB. He picked USU because we were willing to play him as a RB.

slcagg · Post by **slcagg** » April 14th, 2021, 8:26 pm

YouTossedEight wrote: ↑
April 14th, 2021, 8:09 pm
I thought I remembered that Turbin was heavily recruited by several P5 programs, but as a DB. He picked USU because we were willing to play him as a RB.

I believe that is correct. Not sure if he was officially offered but had interest as a db.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » April 15th, 2021, 8:54 am

YouTossedEight wrote: ↑
April 14th, 2021, 8:09 pm
I thought I remembered that Turbin was heavily recruited by several P5 programs, but as a DB. He picked USU because we were willing to play him as a RB.

Yeah, I was told he was offered a scholarship at Oregon, but they wanted him to be DB.

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