Ahbye wrote: ↑

January 1st, 2021, 1:54 pm

Hartwell.

aggies22 wrote: ↑

December 31st, 2020, 2:01 pm

2004AG wrote: ↑

December 31st, 2020, 1:32 pm

tetonaggie wrote: ↑

December 31st, 2020, 12:35 pm

ratofallaggies wrote: ↑

December 31st, 2020, 10:37 am

2004AG wrote: ↑

December 31st, 2020, 10:31 am

Imakeitrain wrote:He can either be a great asset in repairing things- other than not pushing harder to get his son be an Aggie

but I’m also suspicious of him of potentially being the person who had the recording of Hartwell- only because I don’t believe Wheat obtained it on his own- and I do believe that you’d need that type of level of access to get that recording.

And this is the type of largely baseless speculation that arises when you try to make accusations and then hide information.

But seriously: where is he? Is he stepping up to bridge the tension?

He’s such a huge True Blooded Aggie that he sends his kids anywhere but Utah State. Is that the guy you’re talking about ?


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This is garbage....

Exactly, this is a garbage take. I grew up in Ogden, my father worked in administration at Weber State and later became a professor there. We had season BBall and FB tickets my entire childhood (my father still has them) and I was a huge fan. When I got old enough to leave the nest and go to college, I wanted nothing to do with staying home and going to the college my father works at. Plus you factor in the fact of STANFORD FREAKING UNIVERSITY and who wouldn't take advantage of an opportunity to play AND get an education there ON SCHOLARSHIP. Because of my love of USU I can see why SOME people would want to stay home and go there as well, but I think it's trash to bag on Waqa or his kids for making different choices in life than you may have.

Relax. It was a joke. I'm sure Waqa is a really great guy. (besides, what I said was factual. His kids don't come to Utah State, even though he is an amazing, really great, true blooded Aggie, bleeds blue through and through)

It just seems like we're the only school where kids want to leave the shadow of their parents. Just once I'd like a "byu kid" to do it. byu recruits and kids of byu fans seem to be more loyal than Aggie fans, which is probably why they have a much higher winning program than we do. I live in Utah county and have a connections to high school recruiting in Utah county and every last kid down here has blinders on to everything and everybody but byu. Its discouraging when we can't even keep kids that have been connected to the program their entire lives committed. Byu certainly doesn't have that problem. If one of my 4 boys is good enough to play college football, byu would not even be allowed in my house. I'd have to listen to Stanford though.

Dax Raymond and the Van Leeuwen boys.

mickfinn wrote: ↑

January 2nd, 2021, 4:45 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑

December 31st, 2020, 2:01 pm

2004AG wrote: ↑

December 31st, 2020, 1:32 pm

tetonaggie wrote: ↑

December 31st, 2020, 12:35 pm

ratofallaggies wrote: ↑

December 31st, 2020, 10:37 am

2004AG wrote: ↑

December 31st, 2020, 10:31 am

Imakeitrain wrote:He can either be a great asset in repairing things- other than not pushing harder to get his son be an Aggie

but I’m also suspicious of him of potentially being the person who had the recording of Hartwell- only because I don’t believe Wheat obtained it on his own- and I do believe that you’d need that type of level of access to get that recording.

And this is the type of largely baseless speculation that arises when you try to make accusations and then hide information.

But seriously: where is he? Is he stepping up to bridge the tension?

He’s such a huge True Blooded Aggie that he sends his kids anywhere but Utah State. Is that the guy you’re talking about ?


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This is garbage....

Exactly, this is a garbage take. I grew up in Ogden, my father worked in administration at Weber State and later became a professor there. We had season BBall and FB tickets my entire childhood (my father still has them) and I was a huge fan. When I got old enough to leave the nest and go to college, I wanted nothing to do with staying home and going to the college my father works at. Plus you factor in the fact of STANFORD FREAKING UNIVERSITY and who wouldn't take advantage of an opportunity to play AND get an education there ON SCHOLARSHIP. Because of my love of USU I can see why SOME people would want to stay home and go there as well, but I think it's trash to bag on Waqa or his kids for making different choices in life than you may have.

Relax. It was a joke. I'm sure Waqa is a really great guy. (besides, what I said was factual. His kids don't come to Utah State, even though he is an amazing, really great, true blooded Aggie, bleeds blue through and through)

It just seems like we're the only school where kids want to leave the shadow of their parents. Just once I'd like a "byu kid" to do it. byu recruits and kids of byu fans seem to be more loyal than Aggie fans, which is probably why they have a much higher winning program than we do. I live in Utah county and have a connections to high school recruiting in Utah county and every last kid down here has blinders on to everything and everybody but byu. Its discouraging when we can't even keep kids that have been connected to the program their entire lives committed. Byu certainly doesn't have that problem. If one of my 4 boys is good enough to play college football, byu would not even be allowed in my house. I'd have to listen to Stanford though.

Dax Raymond and the Van Leeuwen boys.

I don't think they went after the Van Leeuwan boys. They might've made a late push for Dax. Let's not forget about Legas, whose dad played there or Jakob Robinson. Mata Hola comes to mind as well. USU gets players that BYU-Provo wants. I'm not sure hard we went after the younger Damuni. I get it though, I'd like Cache Valley kids to stay home whenever possible. We got Riley Burt back for his last year and that was underwhelming.

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑

January 2nd, 2021, 7:53 am

stwinward wrote: ↑

January 1st, 2021, 10:56 pm

Imakeitrain wrote: ↑

January 1st, 2021, 8:33 pm

BleedAggieBlue0 wrote: ↑

January 1st, 2021, 2:06 pm

Imakeitrain wrote:

GeoAg wrote: ↑

December 31st, 2020, 1:10 pm

Imakeitrain wrote: ↑

December 31st, 2020, 10:05 am

He can either be a great asset in repairing things- other than not pushing harder to get his son be an Aggie

but I’m also suspicious of him of potentially being the person who had the recording of Hartwell- only because I don’t believe Wheat obtained it on his own- and I do believe that you’d need that type of level of access to get that recording.

And this is the type of largely baseless speculation that arises when you try to make accusations and then hide information.

But seriously: where is he? Is he stepping up to bridge the tension?

This post is clear garbage

I don’t think asking for accountability is garbage- not only because he’s a public servant but also because the department asks me for a non insignificant (to me) amount of money every now & then.

Of course it’s speculation. I as a fan want to know how the solution is working- and Damuni can be part of the solution.

The only person to blame for speculation are the people that leak just enough information for there to be speculation but not enough for people to do anything but speculate.

The primary reason I am suspicious is because is someone that is upper level enough to be in the room. There is a 0% chance that Alex wheat obtained that video on his own. That makes him, others in the ad and coaches- up to and including Gary down to and including GAs suspects.

If the ad knows who it is- great! But until there is accountability and transparency, it’s their own fault.

Someone somewhere is obviously not who people thought they were. Maybe it’s cockett, maybe she’s a klan wizard who hates Mormons and Polynesians. Maybe it’s Hartwell. That’s the problem with vague statements that lack of specifics: it’s only purpose is speculation. If you don’t like it- you should demand more accountability and transparency.

But no one is allowed to question anyone because someone knows cockett, someone knows Maile and knows they’d “neeeeeever” do anything like it. Someone did something. And just assuming people are innocent is just as wrong as assuming they’re guilty.

What are you asking Waqa to be held accountable for?


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To answer this post: The athletics department should be accountable to all stakeholders. He's an employee of the athletics department.

To respond to your ad hominem:

My initial questions (1. Could he have been involved and 2. Where does he stand) were largely answered by two other posters on this board whom I respect.

When there is obviously a bad actor it's perfectly reasonable to be suspicious of anyone. That bad actor could either be Cockett, a coach, or someone in the AD.... those are the people that are either accused of being a bigot (Cockett) or have the means and motive to film and publish embarrassing information about Hartwell- and have the ability to influence the team to not play.

So I asked the question. I received as good of an answer as I'm going to get. Then I moved on. But there is nothing wrong with asking.

********
This is why Utahns are so prone to get taken advantage of in affinity fraud. Utahns aren't nearly suspicious enough. I remember being in the library and people would leave thousands of dollars of property completely unattended.

It's actually really dangerous. The attitude of "I know X and because my experience with X is different he must be innocent" is how rape culture exists. It's how insider threats attempt to breach national security, etc.

You should be more suspicious.

Not to be too Pollyanna ish, but where's the fun in that. The time and stress I've saved in life by not suspecting everyone of everything way more than makes up for the few times I've been burned. I still lament the loss of a Walkman from an unlocked car in Pocatello though.

I appreciate your stress-free way of living, but I would suggest locking your car as it likely won't increase your stress and will prevent the theft of your beloved walkman.

ususports wrote: ↑

January 2nd, 2021, 5:10 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑

January 2nd, 2021, 7:53 am

stwinward wrote: ↑

January 1st, 2021, 10:56 pm

Imakeitrain wrote: ↑

January 1st, 2021, 8:33 pm

BleedAggieBlue0 wrote: ↑

January 1st, 2021, 2:06 pm

Imakeitrain wrote:

GeoAg wrote: ↑

December 31st, 2020, 1:10 pm

Imakeitrain wrote: ↑

December 31st, 2020, 10:05 am

He can either be a great asset in repairing things- other than not pushing harder to get his son be an Aggie

but I’m also suspicious of him of potentially being the person who had the recording of Hartwell- only because I don’t believe Wheat obtained it on his own- and I do believe that you’d need that type of level of access to get that recording.

And this is the type of largely baseless speculation that arises when you try to make accusations and then hide information.

But seriously: where is he? Is he stepping up to bridge the tension?

This post is clear garbage

I don’t think asking for accountability is garbage- not only because he’s a public servant but also because the department asks me for a non insignificant (to me) amount of money every now & then.

Of course it’s speculation. I as a fan want to know how the solution is working- and Damuni can be part of the solution.

The only person to blame for speculation are the people that leak just enough information for there to be speculation but not enough for people to do anything but speculate.

The primary reason I am suspicious is because is someone that is upper level enough to be in the room. There is a 0% chance that Alex wheat obtained that video on his own. That makes him, others in the ad and coaches- up to and including Gary down to and including GAs suspects.

If the ad knows who it is- great! But until there is accountability and transparency, it’s their own fault.

Someone somewhere is obviously not who people thought they were. Maybe it’s cockett, maybe she’s a klan wizard who hates Mormons and Polynesians. Maybe it’s Hartwell. That’s the problem with vague statements that lack of specifics: it’s only purpose is speculation. If you don’t like it- you should demand more accountability and transparency.

But no one is allowed to question anyone because someone knows cockett, someone knows Maile and knows they’d “neeeeeever” do anything like it. Someone did something. And just assuming people are innocent is just as wrong as assuming they’re guilty.

What are you asking Waqa to be held accountable for?


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To answer this post: The athletics department should be accountable to all stakeholders. He's an employee of the athletics department.

To respond to your ad hominem:

My initial questions (1. Could he have been involved and 2. Where does he stand) were largely answered by two other posters on this board whom I respect.

When there is obviously a bad actor it's perfectly reasonable to be suspicious of anyone. That bad actor could either be Cockett, a coach, or someone in the AD.... those are the people that are either accused of being a bigot (Cockett) or have the means and motive to film and publish embarrassing information about Hartwell- and have the ability to influence the team to not play.

So I asked the question. I received as good of an answer as I'm going to get. Then I moved on. But there is nothing wrong with asking.

********
This is why Utahns are so prone to get taken advantage of in affinity fraud. Utahns aren't nearly suspicious enough. I remember being in the library and people would leave thousands of dollars of property completely unattended.

It's actually really dangerous. The attitude of "I know X and because my experience with X is different he must be innocent" is how rape culture exists. It's how insider threats attempt to breach national security, etc.

You should be more suspicious.

Not to be too Pollyanna ish, but where's the fun in that. The time and stress I've saved in life by not suspecting everyone of everything way more than makes up for the few times I've been burned. I still lament the loss of a Walkman from an unlocked car in Pocatello though.

I appreciate your stress-free way of living, but I would suggest locking your car as it likely won't increase your stress and will prevent the theft of your beloved walkman.

I could be wrong (I am about due), but I don’t think too many people are looking for walkmans these days.

ususports wrote: ↑

January 2nd, 2021, 5:10 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑

January 2nd, 2021, 7:53 am

stwinward wrote: ↑

January 1st, 2021, 10:56 pm

Imakeitrain wrote: ↑

January 1st, 2021, 8:33 pm

BleedAggieBlue0 wrote: ↑

January 1st, 2021, 2:06 pm

Imakeitrain wrote:

GeoAg wrote: ↑

December 31st, 2020, 1:10 pm

Imakeitrain wrote: ↑

December 31st, 2020, 10:05 am

He can either be a great asset in repairing things- other than not pushing harder to get his son be an Aggie

but I’m also suspicious of him of potentially being the person who had the recording of Hartwell- only because I don’t believe Wheat obtained it on his own- and I do believe that you’d need that type of level of access to get that recording.

And this is the type of largely baseless speculation that arises when you try to make accusations and then hide information.

But seriously: where is he? Is he stepping up to bridge the tension?

This post is clear garbage

I don’t think asking for accountability is garbage- not only because he’s a public servant but also because the department asks me for a non insignificant (to me) amount of money every now & then.

Of course it’s speculation. I as a fan want to know how the solution is working- and Damuni can be part of the solution.

The only person to blame for speculation are the people that leak just enough information for there to be speculation but not enough for people to do anything but speculate.

The primary reason I am suspicious is because is someone that is upper level enough to be in the room. There is a 0% chance that Alex wheat obtained that video on his own. That makes him, others in the ad and coaches- up to and including Gary down to and including GAs suspects.

If the ad knows who it is- great! But until there is accountability and transparency, it’s their own fault.

Someone somewhere is obviously not who people thought they were. Maybe it’s cockett, maybe she’s a klan wizard who hates Mormons and Polynesians. Maybe it’s Hartwell. That’s the problem with vague statements that lack of specifics: it’s only purpose is speculation. If you don’t like it- you should demand more accountability and transparency.

But no one is allowed to question anyone because someone knows cockett, someone knows Maile and knows they’d “neeeeeever” do anything like it. Someone did something. And just assuming people are innocent is just as wrong as assuming they’re guilty.

What are you asking Waqa to be held accountable for?


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To answer this post: The athletics department should be accountable to all stakeholders. He's an employee of the athletics department.

To respond to your ad hominem:

My initial questions (1. Could he have been involved and 2. Where does he stand) were largely answered by two other posters on this board whom I respect.

When there is obviously a bad actor it's perfectly reasonable to be suspicious of anyone. That bad actor could either be Cockett, a coach, or someone in the AD.... those are the people that are either accused of being a bigot (Cockett) or have the means and motive to film and publish embarrassing information about Hartwell- and have the ability to influence the team to not play.

So I asked the question. I received as good of an answer as I'm going to get. Then I moved on. But there is nothing wrong with asking.

********
This is why Utahns are so prone to get taken advantage of in affinity fraud. Utahns aren't nearly suspicious enough. I remember being in the library and people would leave thousands of dollars of property completely unattended.

It's actually really dangerous. The attitude of "I know X and because my experience with X is different he must be innocent" is how rape culture exists. It's how insider threats attempt to breach national security, etc.

You should be more suspicious.

Not to be too Pollyanna ish, but where's the fun in that. The time and stress I've saved in life by not suspecting everyone of everything way more than makes up for the few times I've been burned. I still lament the loss of a Walkman from an unlocked car in Pocatello though.

I appreciate your stress-free way of living, but I would suggest locking your car as it likely won't increase your stress and will prevent the theft of your beloved walkman.

I could be wrong (I am about due), but I don’t think too many people are looking for walkmans these days.