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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by Sl7vk » December 22nd, 2020, 10:01 pm

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December 22nd, 2020, 9:42 pm
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My favorite comment was by one of the posters here that said Hardin would never leave Boise because his wife wouldn’t leave her Ward.

I guess they have 30+ million reasons to leave their Ward lol.
I knew Harden wanted to leave the rockets but I had no idea his wife was lds and attended a ward in Boise 😁.
Touché.
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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by GameFAQSAggie » December 22nd, 2020, 10:03 pm

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December 22nd, 2020, 9:32 pm
My favorite comment was by one of the posters here that said Hardin would never leave Boise because his wife wouldn’t leave her Ward.

I guess they have 30+ million reasons to leave their Ward lol.
It was my uncle that thought he wouldn't leave cause his mother in law didn't want him to. He was surprised when he found out today they are leaving.
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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by Aggie702 » December 22nd, 2020, 10:17 pm

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December 22nd, 2020, 4:55 pm
Harsin will be the next in a lengthy list of G5 coaches that make the P5 jump and fail.
Probably - but if he fails he’ll still have a fat contract. It’s got to be worth 10MM+. I’d make the same move.



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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » December 22nd, 2020, 10:51 pm

Aggie702 wrote:
December 22nd, 2020, 10:17 pm
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Harsin will be the next in a lengthy list of G5 coaches that make the P5 jump and fail.
Probably - but if he fails he’ll still have a fat contract. It’s got to be worth 10MM+. I’d make the same move.
And why I never blame a guy for making the jump. It sucks to lose great coaches, but I'll never fault a guy for improving his standard of living for him and his kids and probably their kids and their kids. We are talking about generational wealth.



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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by AGGIEFIGHT » December 23rd, 2020, 11:38 am

Buyout- I read one article that Harstin buyout started at 500k and was reduced yearly to where it is now only 250k.
That may limit Boise bringing in an established coach with a large buyout
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Post by elcheque2 » December 23rd, 2020, 1:04 pm

MaverickAggie wrote:Now is the perfect time for Utah State to establish at the top of the Mountain division. Boise will drop a few rungs I believe. CSU is down. WYO is proving to be mediocre under Bohl. New Mexico is down. Air Force is above average but will likely not be the top dog year in year out. If Boise falters, top of the Mountain is wide open. Take us there BA.
I can't predict the future but the last 2 times boise got a new coach they went to a fiesta bowl in his first year. In the past when boise has looked vulnerable, we blundered our chances of overtaking them. I would guess that if they take a step back next year, air force, Wyoming, or colorado state have a much better shot at claiming the mountain division than we do. We have a rebuild ahead of us.

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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by Blue Sage » December 23rd, 2020, 10:20 pm

Coach Pete > Harsin. I thought Pete would kill it at W but did not. Harsin likely fails at AUB.



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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by slcagg » December 23rd, 2020, 10:34 pm

Blue Sage wrote:
December 23rd, 2020, 10:20 pm
Coach Pete > Harsin. I thought Pete would kill it at W but did not. Harsin likely fails at AUB.
I thought Washington was pretty good while he was there. Best program in the pac during his time right?



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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » December 23rd, 2020, 10:38 pm

slcagg wrote:
December 23rd, 2020, 10:34 pm
Blue Sage wrote:
December 23rd, 2020, 10:20 pm
Coach Pete > Harsin. I thought Pete would kill it at W but did not. Harsin likely fails at AUB.
I thought Washington was pretty good while he was as there. Best program in the pac during his time right?
He did a good job at Washington. Won the conference twice, had three 10 win seasons and made the playoff in 2016. He definitely elevated the program from when he took over. This is at a program that only had one 10 win season since Don James retired in the early 90's.



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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by aggies22 » December 24th, 2020, 5:13 am

Blue Sage wrote:
December 23rd, 2020, 10:20 pm
Coach Pete > Harsin. I thought Pete would kill it at W but did not. Harsin likely fails at AUB.
I thought Peterson did a good job. He elevated Washington into the conversation for VERY highly rated recruits and in turn they began winning a lot of games more regularly.
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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by ususports » December 24th, 2020, 10:05 am

Apparently, in the P5 world, you either win the national championship, or you suck.
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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » December 24th, 2020, 10:18 am

ususports wrote:
December 24th, 2020, 10:05 am
Apparently, in the P5 world, you either win the national championship, or you suck.
Sometimes not even that since Auburn fired Gene Chizik two years removed from a national title.



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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by BLUERUFiO » December 26th, 2020, 3:04 pm

Boise’s top target is Moore and if he wants it, the deal sounds like it would go down within a week:

https://footballscoop.com/news/sources- ... targeting/


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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » December 26th, 2020, 4:51 pm

BLUERUFiO wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 3:04 pm
Boise’s top target is Moore and if he wants it, the deal sounds like it would go down within a week:

https://footballscoop.com/news/sources- ... targeting/
Big risk for them.



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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by LarryTheAggie » December 26th, 2020, 4:57 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 4:51 pm
BLUERUFiO wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 3:04 pm
Boise’s top target is Moore and if he wants it, the deal sounds like it would go down within a week:

https://footballscoop.com/news/sources- ... targeting/
Big risk for them.
Feels like Ty Detmer as the OC at BYU. I hope I am right...
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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by Aggie84025 » December 26th, 2020, 5:36 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 4:57 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 4:51 pm
BLUERUFiO wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 3:04 pm
Boise’s top target is Moore and if he wants it, the deal sounds like it would go down within a week:

https://footballscoop.com/news/sources- ... targeting/
Big risk for them.
Feels like Ty Detmer as the OC at BYU. I hope I am right...
A little different, moore is an OC in the nfl where detmer was coaching high school. Still a risk where he has not coached in college. He will for sure want to bring in some experienced coaches. Hope he struggles and fails at boise.



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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by stwinward » December 26th, 2020, 7:16 pm

Aggie84025 wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 5:36 pm
LarryTheAggie wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 4:57 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 4:51 pm
BLUERUFiO wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 3:04 pm
Boise’s top target is Moore and if he wants it, the deal sounds like it would go down within a week:

https://footballscoop.com/news/sources- ... targeting/
Big risk for them.
Feels like Ty Detmer as the OC at BYU. I hope I am right...
A little different, moore is an OC in the nfl where detmer was coaching high school. Still a risk where he has not coached in college. He will for sure want to bring in some experienced coaches. Hope he struggles and fails at boise.
Now, now. It's never nice to wish ill on others. I hope they hire him and he succeeds enough to stay, just not enough to beat us ever.
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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by GameFAQSAggie » December 26th, 2020, 8:13 pm

stwinward wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 7:16 pm
Aggie84025 wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 5:36 pm
LarryTheAggie wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 4:57 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 4:51 pm
BLUERUFiO wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 3:04 pm
Boise’s top target is Moore and if he wants it, the deal sounds like it would go down within a week:

https://footballscoop.com/news/sources- ... targeting/
Big risk for them.
Feels like Ty Detmer as the OC at BYU. I hope I am right...
A little different, moore is an OC in the nfl where detmer was coaching high school. Still a risk where he has not coached in college. He will for sure want to bring in some experienced coaches. Hope he struggles and fails at boise.
Now, now. It's never nice to wish ill on others. I hope they hire him and he succeeds enough to stay, just not enough to beat us ever.
In all reality, "Struggling and failing" by Boise standards is still accomplishing good things by the standards of other Mountain Division teams. Losing 2 games a year is bad by their standards, and it's failure for them if ANY of the other teams win the Mountain Division but them. So we do want them to start failing by that high standard, and there to start to be some parity in the MTN Division. But we also would still want them to win all their OOC games.

I would argue that by wanting the other teams to win the division if not us, that it's not "wishing ill" on Kellen Moore or whoever is hired, just wishing good for Wyoming, Colorado State, Air Force and New Mexico.



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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by Slim80 » December 26th, 2020, 8:38 pm

stwinward wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 7:16 pm
Aggie84025 wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 5:36 pm
LarryTheAggie wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 4:57 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 4:51 pm
BLUERUFiO wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 3:04 pm
Boise’s top target is Moore and if he wants it, the deal sounds like it would go down within a week:

https://footballscoop.com/news/sources- ... targeting/
Big risk for them.
Feels like Ty Detmer as the OC at BYU. I hope I am right...
A little different, moore is an OC in the nfl where detmer was coaching high school. Still a risk where he has not coached in college. He will for sure want to bring in some experienced coaches. Hope he struggles and fails at boise.
Now, now. It's never nice to wish ill on others. I hope they hire him and he succeeds enough to stay, just not enough to beat us ever.
As badly as I want for Boise to suck canal water every season, the more healthy option is for Boise to stay great and for the Aggies to elevate their game to be better. We don’t want to consistently beat a terrible Boise team. We want to beat a good Boise team consistently. Much better bragging rights.
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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » December 26th, 2020, 8:50 pm

Aggie84025 wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 5:36 pm
LarryTheAggie wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 4:57 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 4:51 pm
BLUERUFiO wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 3:04 pm
Boise’s top target is Moore and if he wants it, the deal sounds like it would go down within a week:

https://footballscoop.com/news/sources- ... targeting/
Big risk for them.
Feels like Ty Detmer as the OC at BYU. I hope I am right...
A little different, moore is an OC in the nfl where detmer was coaching high school. Still a risk where he has not coached in college. He will for sure want to bring in some experienced coaches. Hope he struggles and fails at boise.
Different, but similar in that a fanbase falls in love with a former star player who isn't up to the job. My opinion that Moore could not deliver Boise State expectations. I hope they hire him. Avalos would be the better hire for them.



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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by flying_scotsman2.0 » December 26th, 2020, 9:17 pm

Geez, he’s 32. This is the equivalent of Sam Merrill playing a few years in the nba, assistant coaching one nba team for 3 years, then being hired to replace Craig smith (theoretical, obviously, as coach smith will never leave). I think most Aggie fans would be very excited about this. Objectively, I think it would be quite risky, but who knows?

Also, can he fill out a coaching staff? That’s probably the biggest question.



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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by 3rdGenAggie » December 27th, 2020, 10:09 am

Oddly, it had reached a point where Boise being good is actually bad for the MWC. Their sweetheart deals and regular threatenings to leave or blow up the conference unless they get more sweetheart deals are far worse for the conference than them being average or bad would ever be.

For the health of the MWC, Boise really needs to screw this up in the biggest way.


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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » December 27th, 2020, 10:16 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
December 26th, 2020, 9:17 pm
Geez, he’s 32. This is the equivalent of Sam Merrill playing a few years in the nba, assistant coaching one nba team for 3 years, then being hired to replace Craig smith (theoretical, obviously, as coach smith will never leave). I think most Aggie fans would be very excited about this. Objectively, I think it would be quite risky, but who knows?

Also, can he fill out a coaching staff? That’s probably the biggest question.
The danger of hiring a coach so young and inexperience, is he would not be prepared for the "CEO duties" of being a HC and that leads to failure everywhere. It is a pretty daunting task to run a major college football program. There is a reason even guys who were great coordinators like Norm Chow failed at it. I don't think Moore is there yet.

And yeah, it would be comparable to hiring Merrill in 2026 or so. There would be people on here that would support that as there were people on here mad that Spencer Nelson wasn't retained by Smith. It is actually a step beyond that since running a football program is a bigger and more complex deal than basketball. Think of Maile. Many people wanted him as our coach and he has far more experience than Moore, but is also not qualified.
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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by LarryTheAggie » December 27th, 2020, 11:12 am

3rdGenAggie wrote:
December 27th, 2020, 10:09 am
Oddly, it had reached a point where Boise being good is actually bad for the MWC. Their sweetheart deals and regular threatenings to leave or blow up the conference unless they get more sweetheart deals are far worse for the conference than them being average or bad would ever be.

For the health of the MWC, Boise really needs to screw this up in the biggest way.
Also he has never recruited a single player. Never walked into a living room and convinced a mother to trust him with their child. Coaching in college and the nfl seem to be very different beat beasts. He could be an amazing nfl coordinator, not having any college coaching experience would scare me if i was a Boise fan.



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Post by NavyBlueAggie » December 27th, 2020, 12:02 pm

jpswensen wrote:
December 22nd, 2020, 4:08 pm
Any chance the admin risks a coaching change and conference change simultaneously? I think the risks are too high for them to do both.
Insightful post jps, insightful. Boise has done and is doing so many things the right way, and I expect the real decision makers are unseen yet busy working their magic. Seems to me you are right when you note the risks are too high for a pair of major lane changes for them.

I would suspect Boise wants even more leverage in the MWC ergo their public noise about a discrete contact regarding jumping leagues. So much downside for Boise moving to an association of schools in the eastern time zones. I'm sure we all remember the last public bust they were involved in along with SDSU when the eastern centered conference they were about to align with abruptly disintegrated, and they came back to the MWC and played our conference like a financial drum. I would say, NEVER EVER AGAIN
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Post by ShowMeAggie » January 7th, 2021, 2:38 pm

only sort-of aggie related, but i thought it was interesting that CBS Sports is reporting that three of the four HC candidates at Boise have no ties to the program (that I can ascertain; https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... hort-list/):

Andy Avalos
Jeff Choate
Brian Johnson
Graham Harrell
The search seems to be picking up steam since they hired their AD... Here's hoping for a :bananafire: hire...
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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by Aglicious » January 7th, 2021, 3:29 pm

Interesting that they are largely the same names that were swirling around the USU job.



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Post by GameFAQSAggie » January 7th, 2021, 3:44 pm

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January 7th, 2021, 2:38 pm
only sort-of aggie related, but i thought it was interesting that CBS Sports is reporting that three of the four HC candidates at Boise have no ties to the program (that I can ascertain; https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... hort-list/):

Andy Avalos
Jeff Choate
Brian Johnson
Graham Harrell
The search seems to be picking up steam since they hired their AD... Here's hoping for a :bananafire: hire...
If they hire Graham Harrell, then they are the ones that would have to hope for Matt Wells to do enough to save his job next year.



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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by Sl7vk » January 7th, 2021, 5:24 pm

ShowMeAggie wrote:
January 7th, 2021, 2:38 pm
only sort-of aggie related, but i thought it was interesting that CBS Sports is reporting that three of the four HC candidates at Boise have no ties to the program (that I can ascertain; https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... hort-list/):

Andy Avalos
Jeff Choate
Brian Johnson
Graham Harrell
The search seems to be picking up steam since they hired their AD... Here's hoping for a :bananafire: hire...
Choate and Avalos have ties.
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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by ShowMeAggie » January 7th, 2021, 5:58 pm

Sl7vk wrote:
January 7th, 2021, 5:24 pm
ShowMeAggie wrote:
January 7th, 2021, 2:38 pm
only sort-of aggie related, but i thought it was interesting that CBS Sports is reporting that three of the four HC candidates at Boise have no ties to the program (that I can ascertain; https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... hort-list/):

Andy Avalos
Jeff Choate
Brian Johnson
Graham Harrell
The search seems to be picking up steam since they hired their AD... Here's hoping for a :bananafire: hire...
Choate and Avalos have ties.
you're right...somehow I missed that Choate was in Boise from 06-11 as defensive position and special teams coach. some outlets saying Choate is their top target now, in fact (https://billingsgazette.com/sports/coll ... 8bfee.html). we'll see...



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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by GameFAQSAggie » January 7th, 2021, 6:14 pm

ShowMeAggie wrote:
January 7th, 2021, 5:58 pm
Sl7vk wrote:
January 7th, 2021, 5:24 pm
ShowMeAggie wrote:
January 7th, 2021, 2:38 pm
only sort-of aggie related, but i thought it was interesting that CBS Sports is reporting that three of the four HC candidates at Boise have no ties to the program (that I can ascertain; https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... hort-list/):

Andy Avalos
Jeff Choate
Brian Johnson
Graham Harrell
The search seems to be picking up steam since they hired their AD... Here's hoping for a :bananafire: hire...
Choate and Avalos have ties.
you're right...somehow I missed that Choate was in Boise from 06-11 as defensive position and special teams coach. some outlets saying Choate is their top target now, in fact (https://billingsgazette.com/sports/coll ... 8bfee.html). we'll see...
Jeff Choate was an assistant under Dennehy and some would argue at the time was part of the problem. So him getting the Boise job and being successful there(even by their high standards) would further validate a point some people make that coaching was NOT our biggest problem prior to the north endzone and stable conference affiliation, and that facilities, conference affiliation, and budgets among other things were bigger problems than coaching. Other examples that prove that point include Gary Patterson and Brian Billick, among others who have turned out to be good NFL coaches. Even Darrell Dickey, who some people would argue WAS the problem when he was here, is now the OC at Texas A&M who was close to making the playoff.



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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by ShowMeAggie » January 8th, 2021, 3:40 pm

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Dang... I was hoping for a dud. I think Avalos is going to be good.

Can't wait to watch BA's O hang 45 on AA's D next year, though. LET'S GO!!!
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Post by OrangeCountyAggie » January 8th, 2021, 4:40 pm

ShowMeAggie wrote:
January 8th, 2021, 3:40 pm
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Dang... I was hoping for a dud. I think Avalos is going to be good.

Can't wait to watch BA's O hang 45 on AA's D next year, though. LET'S GO!!!
I'm with you, I was really rooting for this guy to be our coach! Too bad bosie didn't screw this one up.



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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by Sl7vk » January 9th, 2021, 9:38 am

We'll see how this one plays out. The kind of staff he can put together will be a major factor.
His defenses at Oregon were, meh.... and he had no lack of talent to draw from. BSU has talent but they don't have guys like Thibodeaux....



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Re: Harsin to Auburn

Post by LarryTheAggie » January 9th, 2021, 10:04 am

How serious of a candidate was he for us? Was he interested? Were we interested?

I am more excited about Anderson than I would be about Avalos.



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