When is President Cockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?

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When is President Cockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?

Post by AggieUprising50 » December 13th, 2020, 11:32 am

Anybody (particularly someone with close connections to one of the players) know if and when this meeting is happening?

If it truly was a misunderstanding or President Crocket misspoke, then the sooner they can have this meeting, the better.



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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?

Post by cval » December 13th, 2020, 1:28 pm

Noelle Cockett

Not Crockett, Not Crocket... Both of which I have seen several times.



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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?

Post by hickaggie » December 13th, 2020, 1:45 pm

cval wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 1:28 pm
Noelle Cockett

Not Crockett, Not Crocket... Both of which I have seen several times.
My guess from Frank's statement and the news about an investigation that university counsel (and her own) aren't going to permit any such meeting anytime soon. This is in full litigation status.
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?

Post by Aggie84025 » December 13th, 2020, 1:53 pm

hickaggie wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 1:45 pm
cval wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 1:28 pm
Noelle Cockett

Not Crockett, Not Crocket... Both of which I have seen several times.
My guess from Frank's statement and the news about an investigation that university counsel (and her own) aren't going to permit any such meeting anytime soon. This is in full litigation status.
i think your right. It is sad it came to this. Does anyone know if Frank hired a lawyer of a possible lawsuit?



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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?

Post by rAggie » December 13th, 2020, 2:04 pm

Agreed with above. Now that there will be an investigation, they'll keep the parties segregated. It didn't have to be this way.

My big concern is this will be a he said, she said game, and I'm very concerned that the players have coordinated their stories. I'm curious from our attorneys on the board (@usu78) in an investigation, if let's say 30 people are asked what was said and they all come back with the exact same quote, does that suggest coordination or suggest credibility in the accusation?



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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?

Post by hickaggie » December 13th, 2020, 2:18 pm

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December 13th, 2020, 2:04 pm
Agreed with above. Now that there will be an investigation, they'll keep the parties segregated. It didn't have to be this way.

My big concern is this will be a he said, she said game, and I'm very concerned that the players have coordinated their stories. I'm curious from our attorneys on the board (@usu78) in an investigation, if let's say 30 people are asked what was said and they all come back with the exact same quote, does that suggest coordination or suggest credibility in the accusation?
Its hearsay except for those on the zoom call except as for inconsistent statements by those on the call. And of course consistent statements across the Plaintiffs witnesses are the key. Defense is always going to allege coordination if they are but such is the nature of it.



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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?

Post by USU78 » December 13th, 2020, 2:23 pm

hickaggie wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 1:45 pm
cval wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 1:28 pm
Noelle Cockett

Not Crockett, Not Crocket... Both of which I have seen several times.
My guess from Frank's statement and the news about an investigation that university counsel (and her own) aren't going to permit any such meeting anytime soon. This is in full litigation status.
Yup. Heh, @brownjeans , you still thinking this isn't on litigation track?


You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?

Post by USU78 » December 13th, 2020, 2:25 pm

rAggie wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 2:04 pm
Agreed with above. Now that there will be an investigation, they'll keep the parties segregated. It didn't have to be this way.

My big concern is this will be a he said, she said game, and I'm very concerned that the players have coordinated their stories. I'm curious from our attorneys on the board (@usu78) in an investigation, if let's say 30 people are asked what was said and they all come back with the exact same quote, does that suggest coordination or suggest credibility in the accusation?
Can I please, please, please do the cross examination on Frank and Bond?
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?

Post by NavyBlueAggie » December 13th, 2020, 3:00 pm

If anyone has access to much more than simple drive by blather about how experienced Noelle is with public venues and how accomplished she is, these assertions would have been D O A. Just pause and think about the assertions now against her, and how respected Frank has been in our circles.



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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?

Post by USU78 » December 13th, 2020, 3:04 pm

NavyBlueAggie wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 3:00 pm
If anyone has access to much more than simple drive by blather about how experienced Noelle is with public venues and how accomplished she is, these assertions would have been D O A. Just pause and think about the assertions now against her, and how respected Frank has been in our circles.
His defenses have been in freefall the last three years.
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?

Post by Aggie19 » December 13th, 2020, 3:08 pm

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December 13th, 2020, 3:00 pm
If anyone has access to much more than simple drive by blather about how experienced Noelle is with public venues and how accomplished she is, these assertions would have been D O A. Just pause and think about the assertions now against her, and how respected Frank has been in our circles.
It isn't up to her to prove herself innocent, the players are required to provide proof of guilt. I side with her until proven otherwise, as it should be in every case. For people to point out that it's out of character is not "blather", it's context and is the only thing any of us are qualified to talk about at this point since no evidence has been presented.
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?

Post by brownjeans » December 13th, 2020, 3:23 pm

USU78 wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 2:23 pm
hickaggie wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 1:45 pm
cval wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 1:28 pm
Noelle Cockett

Not Crockett, Not Crocket... Both of which I have seen several times.
My guess from Frank's statement and the news about an investigation that university counsel (and her own) aren't going to permit any such meeting anytime soon. This is in full litigation status.
Yup. Heh, @brownjeans , you still thinking this isn't on litigation track?
Did JD Salinger write Catcher in the Rye intending to inspire killings?

You know what causes litigation? Lawyers. The law is the only service industry where the presence of one service provider stimulates the need for another. It's an industry that scales itself. Like vultures to carion, I'm sure lawyers see an opportunity here. That doesn't mean it's why the team boycotted the game.
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?

Post by Intermeddler » December 13th, 2020, 3:26 pm

USU78 wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 2:25 pm
rAggie wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 2:04 pm
Agreed with above. Now that there will be an investigation, they'll keep the parties segregated. It didn't have to be this way.

My big concern is this will be a he said, she said game, and I'm very concerned that the players have coordinated their stories. I'm curious from our attorneys on the board (@usu78) in an investigation, if let's say 30 people are asked what was said and they all come back with the exact same quote, does that suggest coordination or suggest credibility in the accusation?
Can I please, please, please do the cross examination on Frank and Bond?
Start with “why did you punt on 4th and 1 from midfield against Air Force”



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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?

Post by USU78 » December 13th, 2020, 3:44 pm

brownjeans wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 3:23 pm
USU78 wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 2:23 pm
hickaggie wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 1:45 pm
cval wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 1:28 pm
Noelle Cockett

Not Crockett, Not Crocket... Both of which I have seen several times.
My guess from Frank's statement and the news about an investigation that university counsel (and her own) aren't going to permit any such meeting anytime soon. This is in full litigation status.
Yup. Heh, @brownjeans , you still thinking this isn't on litigation track?
Did JD Salinger write Catcher in the Rye intending to inspire killings?

You know what causes litigation? Lawyers. The law is the only service industry where the presence of one service provider stimulates the need for another. It's an industry that scales itself. Like vultures to carion, I'm sure lawyers see an opportunity here. That doesn't mean it's why the team boycotted the game.
I agree to this extent: Frank's counsel could give a crap about his long-term best interests.
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?

Post by rAggie » December 13th, 2020, 3:53 pm

Aggie19 wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 3:08 pm
NavyBlueAggie wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 3:00 pm
If anyone has access to much more than simple drive by blather about how experienced Noelle is with public venues and how accomplished she is, these assertions would have been D O A. Just pause and think about the assertions now against her, and how respected Frank has been in our circles.
It isn't up to her to prove herself innocent, the players are required to provide proof of guilt. I side with her until proven otherwise, as it should be in every case. For people to point out that it's out of character is not "blather", it's context and is the only thing any of us are qualified to talk about at this point since no evidence has been presented.
Just note though the burden in a civil case is a preponderance of evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt. It’s a low bar to clear to assess damages or at minimum get the university to settle.



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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?

Post by Aggie19 » December 13th, 2020, 4:04 pm

rAggie wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 3:53 pm
Aggie19 wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 3:08 pm
NavyBlueAggie wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 3:00 pm
If anyone has access to much more than simple drive by blather about how experienced Noelle is with public venues and how accomplished she is, these assertions would have been D O A. Just pause and think about the assertions now against her, and how respected Frank has been in our circles.
It isn't up to her to prove herself innocent, the players are required to provide proof of guilt. I side with her until proven otherwise, as it should be in every case. For people to point out that it's out of character is not "blather", it's context and is the only thing any of us are qualified to talk about at this point since no evidence has been presented.
Just note though the burden in a civil case is a preponderance of evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt. It’s a low bar to clear to assess damages or at minimum get the university to settle.
Yes, but at this point, no case has even been presented; only an accusation.


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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?

Post by hickaggie » December 13th, 2020, 4:10 pm

Aggie19 wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 4:04 pm
rAggie wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 3:53 pm
Aggie19 wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 3:08 pm
NavyBlueAggie wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 3:00 pm
If anyone has access to much more than simple drive by blather about how experienced Noelle is with public venues and how accomplished she is, these assertions would have been D O A. Just pause and think about the assertions now against her, and how respected Frank has been in our circles.
It isn't up to her to prove herself innocent, the players are required to provide proof of guilt. I side with her until proven otherwise, as it should be in every case. For people to point out that it's out of character is not "blather", it's context and is the only thing any of us are qualified to talk about at this point since no evidence has been presented.
Just note though the burden in a civil case is a preponderance of evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt. It’s a low bar to clear to assess damages or at minimum get the university to settle.
Yes, but at this point, no case has even been presented; only an accusation.
There will be no case. Only a demand and a settlement. No way USU drags their football program through a 3-4 year lawsuit. While the statement is in question the case is as straightforward as these things get (an alleged direct admission). Further there is no recording to put it in perspective.

You have to understand federal employment discrimination lawsuits. A case involving race and religion is the gold standard because government agencies (EEOC and state equivalent) pay your investigation costs and help to settle. If you win $1.00 in court the University pays all of your attorney fees and court costs so those risks factor in.
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?

Post by El Sapo » December 13th, 2020, 7:06 pm

hickaggie wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 4:10 pm
Aggie19 wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 4:04 pm
rAggie wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 3:53 pm
Aggie19 wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 3:08 pm
NavyBlueAggie wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 3:00 pm
If anyone has access to much more than simple drive by blather about how experienced Noelle is with public venues and how accomplished she is, these assertions would have been D O A. Just pause and think about the assertions now against her, and how respected Frank has been in our circles.
It isn't up to her to prove herself innocent, the players are required to provide proof of guilt. I side with her until proven otherwise, as it should be in every case. For people to point out that it's out of character is not "blather", it's context and is the only thing any of us are qualified to talk about at this point since no evidence has been presented.
Just note though the burden in a civil case is a preponderance of evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt. It’s a low bar to clear to assess damages or at minimum get the university to settle.
Yes, but at this point, no case has even been presented; only an accusation.
There will be no case. Only a demand and a settlement. No way USU drags their football program through a 3-4 year lawsuit. While the statement is in question the case is as straightforward as these things get (an alleged direct admission). Further there is no recording to put it in perspective.

You have to understand federal employment discrimination lawsuits. A case involving race and religion is the gold standard because government agencies (EEOC and state equivalent) pay your investigation costs and help to settle. If you win $1.00 in court the University pays all of your attorney fees and court costs so those risks factor in.
How was Frank discriminated against? I don't see how he can connect the zoom meeting to personal damages.


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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?

Post by MrBiggle » December 13th, 2020, 7:32 pm

hickaggie wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 4:10 pm
Aggie19 wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 4:04 pm
rAggie wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 3:53 pm
Aggie19 wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 3:08 pm
NavyBlueAggie wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 3:00 pm
If anyone has access to much more than simple drive by blather about how experienced Noelle is with public venues and how accomplished she is, these assertions would have been D O A. Just pause and think about the assertions now against her, and how respected Frank has been in our circles.
It isn't up to her to prove herself innocent, the players are required to provide proof of guilt. I side with her until proven otherwise, as it should be in every case. For people to point out that it's out of character is not "blather", it's context and is the only thing any of us are qualified to talk about at this point since no evidence has been presented.
Just note though the burden in a civil case is a preponderance of evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt. It’s a low bar to clear to assess damages or at minimum get the university to settle.
Yes, but at this point, no case has even been presented; only an accusation.
There will be no case. Only a demand and a settlement. No way USU drags their football program through a 3-4 year lawsuit. While the statement is in question the case is as straightforward as these things get (an alleged direct admission). Further there is no recording to put it in perspective.

You have to understand federal employment discrimination lawsuits. A case involving race and religion is the gold standard because government agencies (EEOC and state equivalent) pay your investigation costs and help to settle. If you win $1.00 in court the University pays all of your attorney fees and court costs so those risks factor in.
So basically, we will never know what was actually said in that zoom meeting?


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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?

Post by Aggie84025 » December 13th, 2020, 8:10 pm

Intermeddler wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 3:26 pm
USU78 wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 2:25 pm
rAggie wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 2:04 pm
Agreed with above. Now that there will be an investigation, they'll keep the parties segregated. It didn't have to be this way.

My big concern is this will be a he said, she said game, and I'm very concerned that the players have coordinated their stories. I'm curious from our attorneys on the board (@usu78) in an investigation, if let's say 30 people are asked what was said and they all come back with the exact same quote, does that suggest coordination or suggest credibility in the accusation?
Can I please, please, please do the cross examination on Frank and Bond?
Start with “why did you punt on 4th and 1 from midfield against Air Force”
He was playing field position, our defense had stopped them all night long.



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