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When is President Cockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?
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When is President Cockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?
Anybody (particularly someone with close connections to one of the players) know if and when this meeting is happening?
If it truly was a misunderstanding or President Crocket misspoke, then the sooner they can have this meeting, the better.
If it truly was a misunderstanding or President Crocket misspoke, then the sooner they can have this meeting, the better.
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?
My guess from Frank's statement and the news about an investigation that university counsel (and her own) aren't going to permit any such meeting anytime soon. This is in full litigation status.
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?
i think your right. It is sad it came to this. Does anyone know if Frank hired a lawyer of a possible lawsuit?
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?
Agreed with above. Now that there will be an investigation, they'll keep the parties segregated. It didn't have to be this way.
My big concern is this will be a he said, she said game, and I'm very concerned that the players have coordinated their stories. I'm curious from our attorneys on the board (@usu78) in an investigation, if let's say 30 people are asked what was said and they all come back with the exact same quote, does that suggest coordination or suggest credibility in the accusation?
My big concern is this will be a he said, she said game, and I'm very concerned that the players have coordinated their stories. I'm curious from our attorneys on the board (@usu78) in an investigation, if let's say 30 people are asked what was said and they all come back with the exact same quote, does that suggest coordination or suggest credibility in the accusation?
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?
Its hearsay except for those on the zoom call except as for inconsistent statements by those on the call. And of course consistent statements across the Plaintiffs witnesses are the key. Defense is always going to allege coordination if they are but such is the nature of it.rAggie wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 2:04 pmAgreed with above. Now that there will be an investigation, they'll keep the parties segregated. It didn't have to be this way.
My big concern is this will be a he said, she said game, and I'm very concerned that the players have coordinated their stories. I'm curious from our attorneys on the board (@usu78) in an investigation, if let's say 30 people are asked what was said and they all come back with the exact same quote, does that suggest coordination or suggest credibility in the accusation?
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?
Yup. Heh, @brownjeans , you still thinking this isn't on litigation track?
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?
Can I please, please, please do the cross examination on Frank and Bond?rAggie wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 2:04 pmAgreed with above. Now that there will be an investigation, they'll keep the parties segregated. It didn't have to be this way.
My big concern is this will be a he said, she said game, and I'm very concerned that the players have coordinated their stories. I'm curious from our attorneys on the board (@usu78) in an investigation, if let's say 30 people are asked what was said and they all come back with the exact same quote, does that suggest coordination or suggest credibility in the accusation?
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?
If anyone has access to much more than simple drive by blather about how experienced Noelle is with public venues and how accomplished she is, these assertions would have been D O A. Just pause and think about the assertions now against her, and how respected Frank has been in our circles.
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?
His defenses have been in freefall the last three years.NavyBlueAggie wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 3:00 pmIf anyone has access to much more than simple drive by blather about how experienced Noelle is with public venues and how accomplished she is, these assertions would have been D O A. Just pause and think about the assertions now against her, and how respected Frank has been in our circles.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?
It isn't up to her to prove herself innocent, the players are required to provide proof of guilt. I side with her until proven otherwise, as it should be in every case. For people to point out that it's out of character is not "blather", it's context and is the only thing any of us are qualified to talk about at this point since no evidence has been presented.NavyBlueAggie wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 3:00 pmIf anyone has access to much more than simple drive by blather about how experienced Noelle is with public venues and how accomplished she is, these assertions would have been D O A. Just pause and think about the assertions now against her, and how respected Frank has been in our circles.
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?
Did JD Salinger write Catcher in the Rye intending to inspire killings?USU78 wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 2:23 pmYup. Heh, @brownjeans , you still thinking this isn't on litigation track?
You know what causes litigation? Lawyers. The law is the only service industry where the presence of one service provider stimulates the need for another. It's an industry that scales itself. Like vultures to carion, I'm sure lawyers see an opportunity here. That doesn't mean it's why the team boycotted the game.
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?
Start with “why did you punt on 4th and 1 from midfield against Air Force”USU78 wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 2:25 pmCan I please, please, please do the cross examination on Frank and Bond?rAggie wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 2:04 pmAgreed with above. Now that there will be an investigation, they'll keep the parties segregated. It didn't have to be this way.
My big concern is this will be a he said, she said game, and I'm very concerned that the players have coordinated their stories. I'm curious from our attorneys on the board (@usu78) in an investigation, if let's say 30 people are asked what was said and they all come back with the exact same quote, does that suggest coordination or suggest credibility in the accusation?
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?
I agree to this extent: Frank's counsel could give a crap about his long-term best interests.brownjeans wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 3:23 pmDid JD Salinger write Catcher in the Rye intending to inspire killings?USU78 wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 2:23 pmYup. Heh, @brownjeans , you still thinking this isn't on litigation track?
You know what causes litigation? Lawyers. The law is the only service industry where the presence of one service provider stimulates the need for another. It's an industry that scales itself. Like vultures to carion, I'm sure lawyers see an opportunity here. That doesn't mean it's why the team boycotted the game.
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?
Just note though the burden in a civil case is a preponderance of evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt. It’s a low bar to clear to assess damages or at minimum get the university to settle.Aggie19 wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 3:08 pmIt isn't up to her to prove herself innocent, the players are required to provide proof of guilt. I side with her until proven otherwise, as it should be in every case. For people to point out that it's out of character is not "blather", it's context and is the only thing any of us are qualified to talk about at this point since no evidence has been presented.NavyBlueAggie wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 3:00 pmIf anyone has access to much more than simple drive by blather about how experienced Noelle is with public venues and how accomplished she is, these assertions would have been D O A. Just pause and think about the assertions now against her, and how respected Frank has been in our circles.
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?
Yes, but at this point, no case has even been presented; only an accusation.rAggie wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 3:53 pmJust note though the burden in a civil case is a preponderance of evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt. It’s a low bar to clear to assess damages or at minimum get the university to settle.Aggie19 wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 3:08 pmIt isn't up to her to prove herself innocent, the players are required to provide proof of guilt. I side with her until proven otherwise, as it should be in every case. For people to point out that it's out of character is not "blather", it's context and is the only thing any of us are qualified to talk about at this point since no evidence has been presented.NavyBlueAggie wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 3:00 pmIf anyone has access to much more than simple drive by blather about how experienced Noelle is with public venues and how accomplished she is, these assertions would have been D O A. Just pause and think about the assertions now against her, and how respected Frank has been in our circles.
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?
There will be no case. Only a demand and a settlement. No way USU drags their football program through a 3-4 year lawsuit. While the statement is in question the case is as straightforward as these things get (an alleged direct admission). Further there is no recording to put it in perspective.Aggie19 wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 4:04 pmYes, but at this point, no case has even been presented; only an accusation.rAggie wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 3:53 pmJust note though the burden in a civil case is a preponderance of evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt. It’s a low bar to clear to assess damages or at minimum get the university to settle.Aggie19 wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 3:08 pmIt isn't up to her to prove herself innocent, the players are required to provide proof of guilt. I side with her until proven otherwise, as it should be in every case. For people to point out that it's out of character is not "blather", it's context and is the only thing any of us are qualified to talk about at this point since no evidence has been presented.NavyBlueAggie wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 3:00 pmIf anyone has access to much more than simple drive by blather about how experienced Noelle is with public venues and how accomplished she is, these assertions would have been D O A. Just pause and think about the assertions now against her, and how respected Frank has been in our circles.
You have to understand federal employment discrimination lawsuits. A case involving race and religion is the gold standard because government agencies (EEOC and state equivalent) pay your investigation costs and help to settle. If you win $1.00 in court the University pays all of your attorney fees and court costs so those risks factor in.
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?
How was Frank discriminated against? I don't see how he can connect the zoom meeting to personal damages.hickaggie wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 4:10 pmThere will be no case. Only a demand and a settlement. No way USU drags their football program through a 3-4 year lawsuit. While the statement is in question the case is as straightforward as these things get (an alleged direct admission). Further there is no recording to put it in perspective.Aggie19 wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 4:04 pmYes, but at this point, no case has even been presented; only an accusation.rAggie wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 3:53 pmJust note though the burden in a civil case is a preponderance of evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt. It’s a low bar to clear to assess damages or at minimum get the university to settle.Aggie19 wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 3:08 pmIt isn't up to her to prove herself innocent, the players are required to provide proof of guilt. I side with her until proven otherwise, as it should be in every case. For people to point out that it's out of character is not "blather", it's context and is the only thing any of us are qualified to talk about at this point since no evidence has been presented.NavyBlueAggie wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 3:00 pmIf anyone has access to much more than simple drive by blather about how experienced Noelle is with public venues and how accomplished she is, these assertions would have been D O A. Just pause and think about the assertions now against her, and how respected Frank has been in our circles.
You have to understand federal employment discrimination lawsuits. A case involving race and religion is the gold standard because government agencies (EEOC and state equivalent) pay your investigation costs and help to settle. If you win $1.00 in court the University pays all of your attorney fees and court costs so those risks factor in.
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?
So basically, we will never know what was actually said in that zoom meeting?hickaggie wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 4:10 pmThere will be no case. Only a demand and a settlement. No way USU drags their football program through a 3-4 year lawsuit. While the statement is in question the case is as straightforward as these things get (an alleged direct admission). Further there is no recording to put it in perspective.Aggie19 wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 4:04 pmYes, but at this point, no case has even been presented; only an accusation.rAggie wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 3:53 pmJust note though the burden in a civil case is a preponderance of evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt. It’s a low bar to clear to assess damages or at minimum get the university to settle.Aggie19 wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 3:08 pmIt isn't up to her to prove herself innocent, the players are required to provide proof of guilt. I side with her until proven otherwise, as it should be in every case. For people to point out that it's out of character is not "blather", it's context and is the only thing any of us are qualified to talk about at this point since no evidence has been presented.NavyBlueAggie wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 3:00 pmIf anyone has access to much more than simple drive by blather about how experienced Noelle is with public venues and how accomplished she is, these assertions would have been D O A. Just pause and think about the assertions now against her, and how respected Frank has been in our circles.
You have to understand federal employment discrimination lawsuits. A case involving race and religion is the gold standard because government agencies (EEOC and state equivalent) pay your investigation costs and help to settle. If you win $1.00 in court the University pays all of your attorney fees and court costs so those risks factor in.
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Re: When is President Crockett Planning on Meeting With The Players?
He was playing field position, our defense had stopped them all night long.Intermeddler wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 3:26 pmStart with “why did you punt on 4th and 1 from midfield against Air Force”USU78 wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 2:25 pmCan I please, please, please do the cross examination on Frank and Bond?rAggie wrote: ↑December 13th, 2020, 2:04 pmAgreed with above. Now that there will be an investigation, they'll keep the parties segregated. It didn't have to be this way.
My big concern is this will be a he said, she said game, and I'm very concerned that the players have coordinated their stories. I'm curious from our attorneys on the board (@usu78) in an investigation, if let's say 30 people are asked what was said and they all come back with the exact same quote, does that suggest coordination or suggest credibility in the accusation?