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Re: Players voted against playing because of comments by President Cockett
Wasn't his original tweet complaining about discrimination from Tuesday night? While that included no specifics, in hindsight it could have been taken as a clue that something had happened.
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Re: Players voted against playing because of comments by President Cockett
USU is 1-5 ad has nothing to gain by playing on a cold Saturday night. If there was a championship at stake here the response wold have been different.
I have no idea of what was Said and will wait till more info is out. Crockett and Hartwell both have great track records, young people are more easily offended than my generation. My guess something was misunderstood..
I have no idea of what was Said and will wait till more info is out. Crockett and Hartwell both have great track records, young people are more easily offended than my generation. My guess something was misunderstood..
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Re: Players voted against playing because of comments by President Cockett
As far as we can tell, Bond's sole gripe then was that the polynesian coach he backed was denied a golden ticket in favor of The Man.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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If I remember correctly didn't bond say some not so great things when Shelley was dismissed as well?USU78 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 8:50 pmAs far as we can tell, Bond's sole gripe then was that the polynesian coach he backed was denied a golden ticket in favor of The Man.
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Re: Players voted against playing because of comments by President Cockett
He certainly did.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 8:54 pmIf I remember correctly didn't bond say some not so great things when Shelley was dismissed as well?USU78 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 8:50 pmAs far as we can tell, Bond's sole gripe then was that the polynesian coach he backed was denied a golden ticket in favor of The Man.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Re: Players voted against playing because of comments by President Cockett
My guess about what happened:
Players: “we love Frank, he really gets us because he is mormon and poly.”
Cockett: “we can’t hire someone just because they are mormon and poly.”
Players: “rarrrr, President Cockett said we aren’t hiring Frank just because he’s mormon and poly!” Burn this mother down!!!”
If that is the case, Cockett did nothing wrong.
Players: “we love Frank, he really gets us because he is mormon and poly.”
Cockett: “we can’t hire someone just because they are mormon and poly.”
Players: “rarrrr, President Cockett said we aren’t hiring Frank just because he’s mormon and poly!” Burn this mother down!!!”
If that is the case, Cockett did nothing wrong.
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Re: Players voted against playing because of comments by President Cockett
100%aggieguy13 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 4:37 pmI don't know what was said and I'm reserving judgment until I do. That said...
If you're asking me to believe that Noelle Cockett, who has navigated her career in such a way that she is now a university president (which might be among the most politically correct jobs in existence), and who has no track record of any sort of behavior like this, would get on a call with a group of emotionally charged young men, many of whom are minorities, and say something to the effect of, "We didn't hire this guy because he's a Mormon Polynesian," well...I'm going to need some solid evidence. Maybe that evidence exists, who knows.
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Players voted against playing because of comments by President Cockett
Yeah, absolutely nothing wrong with that if that’s how it went down. I’m not a fan of people jumping down Hartwell and Cockett’s throats. Also not a fan of some calling the players liars with absolute certainty. None of us know what was said yet.ineptimusprime wrote:My guess about what happened:
Players: “we love Frank, he really gets us because he is mormon and poly.”
Cockett: “we can’t hire someone just because they are mormon and poly.”
Players: “rarrrr, President Cockett said we aren’t hiring Frank just because he’s mormon and poly!” Burn this mother down!!!”
If that is the case, Cockett did nothing wrong.
Of course players should have zero say in who the next head coach is and this was handled wrong from the beginning it seems.
Really an embarrassing year for Utah State.
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It has been embarrassing. As a proud alum of USU and lover of aggie athletics, please someone give me confidence it won't get worse than this.BleedAggieBlue0 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 9:58 pmYeah,absolutely nothing wrong with that if that’s how it went down. I’m not a fan of people jumping down Hartwell and Crockett’s throats. Also not a fan of some calling the players liars with absolute certainty. None of us know what was said yet.ineptimusprime wrote:My guess about what happened:
Players: “we love Frank, he really gets us because he is mormon and poly.”
Cockett: “we can’t hire someone just because they are mormon and poly.”
Players: “rarrrr, President Cockett said we aren’t hiring Frank just because he’s mormon and poly!” Burn this mother down!!!”
If that is the case, Cockett did nothing wrong.
Of course players should have zero say in who the next head coach is and this was handled wrong from the beginning it seems.
Really an embarrassing year for Utah State.
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Re: Players voted against playing because of comments by President Cockett
I think this is what happened, but President Cockett can't say that. You just can't. We all see why. The response has to be...BleedAggieBlue0 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 9:58 pmYeah,absolutely nothing wrong with that if that’s how it went down. I’m not a fan of people jumping down Hartwell and Crockett’s throats. Also not a fan of some calling the players liars with absolute certainty. None of us know what was said yet.ineptimusprime wrote:My guess about what happened:
Players: “we love Frank, he really gets us because he is mormon and poly.”
Cockett: “we can’t hire someone just because they are mormon and poly.”
Players: “rarrrr, President Cockett said we aren’t hiring Frank just because he’s mormon and poly!” Burn this mother down!!!”
If that is the case, Cockett did nothing wrong.
Of course players should have zero say in who the next head coach is and this was handled wrong from the beginning it seems.
Really an embarrassing year for Utah State.
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"We love Frank too and hope he is willing and able to stay in some capacity"
That's it.
It is a shame that, IMO, a statement saying that you can't take certain things into account has been misunderstood to mean certain things were considered in a negative light.
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Re: Players voted against playing because of comments by President Cockett
Well the USU president saying something like this would be hard to believe and completely idiotic. A call with all the players explaining why you didn’t hire their current coach also sounds incredibly idiotic, so maybe it is true. If so she should be gone on Monday.
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I think it is definitely most logical to assume that is what happened. Of course, still an assumption. I’m disappointed that people on this board have decided that it is fact and made judgments on the players because of it. None of us know.GeoAg wrote:I think this is what happened, but President Cockett can't say that. You just can't. We all see why. The response has to be...BleedAggieBlue0 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 9:58 pmYeah,absolutely nothing wrong with that if that’s how it went down. I’m not a fan of people jumping down Hartwell and Crockett’s throats. Also not a fan of some calling the players liars with absolute certainty. None of us know what was said yet.ineptimusprime wrote:My guess about what happened:
Players: “we love Frank, he really gets us because he is mormon and poly.”
Cockett: “we can’t hire someone just because they are mormon and poly.”
Players: “rarrrr, President Cockett said we aren’t hiring Frank just because he’s mormon and poly!” Burn this mother down!!!”
If that is the case, Cockett did nothing wrong.
Of course players should have zero say in who the next head coach is and this was handled wrong from the beginning it seems.
Really an embarrassing year for Utah State.
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"We love Frank too and hope he is willing and able to stay in some capacity"
That's it.
It is a shame that, IMO, a statement saying that you can't take certain things into account has been misunderstood to mean certain things were considered in a negative light.
I will add that I am in a very close friend group with a few people who work directly with Cockett- I do find it hard to believe she said anything as idiotic as the players’ statement would lead you to believe.
Love your next comment. Was just having that conversation with a friend- In what world is this how a reference is supposed to go? Cockett and Hartwell should have never even shared their opinion about Frank with the team. You take notes, tell them you’ll appreciate their input and will take it into consideration- but of course you (players) understand we are considering other candidates as well.
Complete amateur hour.
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It certainly can. I don't know if it will, but there's some stuff in some closets that looks bad.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:03 pmIt has been embarrassing. As a proud alum of USU and lover of aggie athletics, please someone give me confidence it won't get worse than this.BleedAggieBlue0 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 9:58 pmYeah,absolutely nothing wrong with that if that’s how it went down. I’m not a fan of people jumping down Hartwell and Crockett’s throats. Also not a fan of some calling the players liars with absolute certainty. None of us know what was said yet.ineptimusprime wrote:My guess about what happened:
Players: “we love Frank, he really gets us because he is mormon and poly.”
Cockett: “we can’t hire someone just because they are mormon and poly.”
Players: “rarrrr, President Cockett said we aren’t hiring Frank just because he’s mormon and poly!” Burn this mother down!!!”
If that is the case, Cockett did nothing wrong.
Of course players should have zero say in who the next head coach is and this was handled wrong from the beginning it seems.
Really an embarrassing year for Utah State.
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I don’t think she was on a call with ALL the players. Wasn’t she on a call with just the team leadership? If so, that doesn’t seem unreasonable at all.FastAggie wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:27 pmWell the USU president saying something like this would be hard to believe and completely idiotic if true, but thinking a call with all the players explaining why you didn’t hire their current coach was a good idea also sounds incredibly idiotic, so maybe both are true. If it is she should be gone on Monday.
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Correct. A call that the players leadership council asked for so they could lobby for Frank.Slim80 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:35 pmI don’t think she was on a call with ALL the players. Wasn’t she on a call with just the team leadership? If so, that doesn’t seem unreasonable at all.FastAggie wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:27 pmWell the USU president saying something like this would be hard to believe and completely idiotic if true, but thinking a call with all the players explaining why you didn’t hire their current coach was a good idea also sounds incredibly idiotic, so maybe both are true. If it is she should be gone on Monday.
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This is true and worries me more than the alleged Cockett comments.Ahbye wrote:It certainly can. I don't know if it will, but there's some stuff in some closets that looks bad.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:03 pmIt has been embarrassing. As a proud alum of USU and lover of aggie athletics, please someone give me confidence it won't get worse than this.BleedAggieBlue0 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 9:58 pmYeah,absolutely nothing wrong with that if that’s how it went down. I’m not a fan of people jumping down Hartwell and Crockett’s throats. Also not a fan of some calling the players liars with absolute certainty. None of us know what was said yet.ineptimusprime wrote:My guess about what happened:
Players: “we love Frank, he really gets us because he is mormon and poly.”
Cockett: “we can’t hire someone just because they are mormon and poly.”
Players: “rarrrr, President Cockett said we aren’t hiring Frank just because he’s mormon and poly!” Burn this mother down!!!”
If that is the case, Cockett did nothing wrong.
Of course players should have zero say in who the next head coach is and this was handled wrong from the beginning it seems.
Really an embarrassing year for Utah State.
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I think your timeline might be off a little. The players didn’t know that Frank wasn’t getting the job at the time of the meeting. I think the intention was to try and lobby for him to get the job. At this point I’m pretty sure the president and Hartwell knew he wasn’t but not the players.AgMac wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:36 pmCorrect. A call that the players leadership council asked for so they could lobby for Frank.Slim80 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:35 pmI don’t think she was on a call with ALL the players. Wasn’t she on a call with just the team leadership? If so, that doesn’t seem unreasonable at all.FastAggie wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:27 pmWell the USU president saying something like this would be hard to believe and completely idiotic if true, but thinking a call with all the players explaining why you didn’t hire their current coach was a good idea also sounds incredibly idiotic, so maybe both are true. If it is she should be gone on Monday.
Edit: I’m fairly certain that BA had accepted the job at this point but Frank did not know he wasn’t being hired.
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(I can't express myself without swearing)!! What in the hell has happened up there!JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:37 pmThis is true and worries me more than the alleged Cockett comments.Ahbye wrote:It certainly can. I don't know if it will, but there's some stuff in some closets that looks bad.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:03 pmIt has been embarrassing. As a proud alum of USU and lover of aggie athletics, please someone give me confidence it won't get worse than this.BleedAggieBlue0 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 9:58 pmYeah,absolutely nothing wrong with that if that’s how it went down. I’m not a fan of people jumping down Hartwell and Crockett’s throats. Also not a fan of some calling the players liars with absolute certainty. None of us know what was said yet.ineptimusprime wrote:My guess about what happened:
Players: “we love Frank, he really gets us because he is mormon and poly.”
Cockett: “we can’t hire someone just because they are mormon and poly.”
Players: “rarrrr, President Cockett said we aren’t hiring Frank just because he’s mormon and poly!” Burn this mother down!!!”
If that is the case, Cockett did nothing wrong.
Of course players should have zero say in who the next head coach is and this was handled wrong from the beginning it seems.
Really an embarrassing year for Utah State.
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Re: Players voted against playing because of comments by President Cockett
I have no idea about who was involved or what was said in the meeting, but I do know Frank has known he won't be brought back as HC since before Tuesday, and I can only imagine the players knew or at least had a pretty good assumption as well.Elkaggie wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:39 pmI think your timeline might be off a little. The players didn’t know that Frank wasn’t getting the job at the time of the meeting. I think the intention was to try and lobby for him to get the job. At this point I’m pretty sure the president and Hartwell knew he wasn’t but not the players.AgMac wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:36 pmCorrect. A call that the players leadership council asked for so they could lobby for Frank.Slim80 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:35 pmI don’t think she was on a call with ALL the players. Wasn’t she on a call with just the team leadership? If so, that doesn’t seem unreasonable at all.FastAggie wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:27 pmWell the USU president saying something like this would be hard to believe and completely idiotic if true, but thinking a call with all the players explaining why you didn’t hire their current coach was a good idea also sounds incredibly idiotic, so maybe both are true. If it is she should be gone on Monday.
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What are those things in the closet?Ahbye wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:34 pmIt certainly can. I don't know if it will, but there's some stuff in some closets that looks bad.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:03 pmIt has been embarrassing. As a proud alum of USU and lover of aggie athletics, please someone give me confidence it won't get worse than this.BleedAggieBlue0 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 9:58 pmYeah,absolutely nothing wrong with that if that’s how it went down. I’m not a fan of people jumping down Hartwell and Crockett’s throats. Also not a fan of some calling the players liars with absolute certainty. None of us know what was said yet.ineptimusprime wrote:My guess about what happened:
Players: “we love Frank, he really gets us because he is mormon and poly.”
Cockett: “we can’t hire someone just because they are mormon and poly.”
Players: “rarrrr, President Cockett said we aren’t hiring Frank just because he’s mormon and poly!” Burn this mother down!!!”
If that is the case, Cockett did nothing wrong.
Of course players should have zero say in who the next head coach is and this was handled wrong from the beginning it seems.
Really an embarrassing year for Utah State.
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For hell’s sake, I can’t take another round of innuendo and hide and seek and wondering when the other shoe is about to drop. If there is bad stuff being covered up, it’s time to rip the bandaid off and be done with it.JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:37 pmThis is true and worries me more than the alleged Cockett comments.Ahbye wrote:It certainly can. I don't know if it will, but there's some stuff in some closets that looks bad.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:03 pmIt has been embarrassing. As a proud alum of USU and lover of aggie athletics, please someone give me confidence it won't get worse than this.BleedAggieBlue0 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 9:58 pmYeah,absolutely nothing wrong with that if that’s how it went down. I’m not a fan of people jumping down Hartwell and Crockett’s throats. Also not a fan of some calling the players liars with absolute certainty. None of us know what was said yet.ineptimusprime wrote:My guess about what happened:
Players: “we love Frank, he really gets us because he is mormon and poly.”
Cockett: “we can’t hire someone just because they are mormon and poly.”
Players: “rarrrr, President Cockett said we aren’t hiring Frank just because he’s mormon and poly!” Burn this mother down!!!”
If that is the case, Cockett did nothing wrong.
Of course players should have zero say in who the next head coach is and this was handled wrong from the beginning it seems.
Really an embarrassing year for Utah State.
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Why would the players have known? Did Frank tell them?stang wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:42 pmI have no idea about who was involved or what was said in the meeting, but I do know Frank has known he won't be brought back as HC since before Tuesday, and I can only imagine the players knew or at least had a pretty good assumption as well.Elkaggie wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:39 pmI think your timeline might be off a little. The players didn’t know that Frank wasn’t getting the job at the time of the meeting. I think the intention was to try and lobby for him to get the job. At this point I’m pretty sure the president and Hartwell knew he wasn’t but not the players.AgMac wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:36 pmCorrect. A call that the players leadership council asked for so they could lobby for Frank.Slim80 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:35 pmI don’t think she was on a call with ALL the players. Wasn’t she on a call with just the team leadership? If so, that doesn’t seem unreasonable at all.FastAggie wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:27 pmWell the USU president saying something like this would be hard to believe and completely idiotic if true, but thinking a call with all the players explaining why you didn’t hire their current coach was a good idea also sounds incredibly idiotic, so maybe both are true. If it is she should be gone on Monday.
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That's literally exactly what I've said.Elkaggie wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:39 pmI think your timeline might be off a little. The players didn’t know that Frank wasn’t getting the job at the time of the meeting. I think the intention was to try and lobby for him to get the job. At this point I’m pretty sure the president and Hartwell knew he wasn’t but not the players.AgMac wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:36 pmCorrect. A call that the players leadership council asked for so they could lobby for Frank.Slim80 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:35 pmI don’t think she was on a call with ALL the players. Wasn’t she on a call with just the team leadership? If so, that doesn’t seem unreasonable at all.FastAggie wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:27 pmWell the USU president saying something like this would be hard to believe and completely idiotic if true, but thinking a call with all the players explaining why you didn’t hire their current coach was a good idea also sounds incredibly idiotic, so maybe both are true. If it is she should be gone on Monday.
Edit: I’m fairly certain that BA had accepted the job at this point but Frank did not know he wasn’t being hired.
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Sorry Agmac not you I was referring to fastaggie
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Bond was also critical of Gary's firing, despite Gary being directly responsible for how some of the previous incidents cited by the players were handled.USU78 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 8:58 pmHe certainly did.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 8:54 pmIf I remember correctly didn't bond say some not so great things when Shelley was dismissed as well?USU78 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 8:50 pmAs far as we can tell, Bond's sole gripe then was that the polynesian coach he backed was denied a golden ticket in favor of The Man.
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Re: Players voted against playing because of comments by President Cockett
If people are afraid of bad stuff getting out of the closet, they aren’t going to post it in the message board.Aggie84025 wrote:What are those things in the closet?Ahbye wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:34 pmIt certainly can. I don't know if it will, but there's some stuff in some closets that looks bad.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 10:03 pmIt has been embarrassing. As a proud alum of USU and lover of aggie athletics, please someone give me confidence it won't get worse than this.BleedAggieBlue0 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 9:58 pmYeah,absolutely nothing wrong with that if that’s how it went down. I’m not a fan of people jumping down Hartwell and Crockett’s throats. Also not a fan of some calling the players liars with absolute certainty. None of us know what was said yet.ineptimusprime wrote:My guess about what happened:
Players: “we love Frank, he really gets us because he is mormon and poly.”
Cockett: “we can’t hire someone just because they are mormon and poly.”
Players: “rarrrr, President Cockett said we aren’t hiring Frank just because he’s mormon and poly!” Burn this mother down!!!”
If that is the case, Cockett did nothing wrong.
Of course players should have zero say in who the next head coach is and this was handled wrong from the beginning it seems.
Really an embarrassing year for Utah State.
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Re: Players voted against playing because of comments by President Cockett
I believe the players. There may have been miscommunication on the call, but I believe the players believe in what they are standing up for. I don't get the feeling this is in protest to Frank not getting the job. Instead, they think there is a real bias in the way the decision was made and they don't want to play for a program that will disqualify someone because of their religion and race. Just because you look up to NC or JH and think they walk on water doesn't mean it doesn't exist... you just haven't been around long enough to see this garbage in all sorts of people that you once idolized. The only way to fix a problem is to identify it, not to hide it.
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What exactly do you believe? Because they haven't disclosed what she allegedly said.Chod wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 11:20 pmI believe the players. There may have been miscommunication on the call, but I believe the players believe in what they are standing up for. I don't get the feeling this is in protest to Frank not getting the job. Instead, they think there is a real bias in the way the decision was made and they don't want to play for a program that will disqualify someone because of their religion and race. Just because you look up to NC or JH and think they walk on water doesn't mean it doesn't exist... you just haven't been around long enough to see this garbage in all sorts of people that you once idolized. The only way to fix a problem is to identify it, not to hide it.
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Re: Players voted against playing because of comments by President Cockett
You are correct. They are not protesting the new coach hire. They are protesting the way they feel about the call and apparently another situation from last year.Chod wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 11:20 pmI believe the players. There may have been miscommunication on the call, but I believe the players believe in what they are standing up for. I don't get the feeling this is in protest to Frank not getting the job. Instead, they think there is a real bias in the way the decision was made and they don't want to play for a program that will disqualify someone because of their religion and race. Just because you look up to NC or JH and think they walk on water doesn't mean it doesn't exist... you just haven't been around long enough to see this garbage in all sorts of people that you once idolized. The only way to fix a problem is to identify it, not to hide it.
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Re: Players voted against playing because of comments by President Cockett
I find it fascinating that what seem to be the majority of fans of a football team are so quick to side against a team in this scenario. I agree that the information is still foggy but I’m interested to see how many of you side immediately with the establishment leadership and against the players that you cheer for, going so far as to make personal comments. I’m curious whether then makeup of football teams and BLM are driving the numbers to skew against the team with so many?
Additionally, I’d hope that a University President would be smarter than to make these alleged inappropriate comments but I’ve also heard Fortune 100 CEOs make comments that are even less appropriate so I’d never bet against it.
Additionally, I’d hope that a University President would be smarter than to make these alleged inappropriate comments but I’ve also heard Fortune 100 CEOs make comments that are even less appropriate so I’d never bet against it.
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Re: Players voted against playing because of comments by President Cockett
No need for fascination. There are logical reasons that fans aren't backing the players.cbingham wrote: ↑December 12th, 2020, 12:12 amI find it fascinating that what seem to be the majority of fans of a football team are so quick to side against a team in this scenario. I agree that the information is still foggy but I’m interested to see how many of you side immediately with the establishment leadership and against the players that you cheer for, going so far as to make personal comments. I’m curious whether then makeup of football teams and BLM are driving the numbers to skew against the team with so many?
Additionally, I’d hope that a University President would be smarter than to make these alleged inappropriate comments but I’ve also heard Fortune 100 CEOs make comments that are even less appropriate so I’d never bet against it.
1- They haven't disclosed what Cockett purportedly said. There is no leeway here. You can't accuse someone of discrimination, refuse to disclose what was said, and expect people to support you. To demand otherwise is preposterous.
2- The "other incidents" that have been cited happened on Gary's watch and he presumably was the one to address them. Yet, there was no boycotting under Gary. Instead, there was criticism of the administration when he was fired. Oh, and by the way, guess who else was in leadership during these other incidents. A guy named Frank Maile.
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Re: Players voted against playing because of comments by President Cockett
Nobody here “worships“ either of them. I think most are like me and don’t really care who holds those positions as long as they represent USU as they should. Now we are seeing these allegations and we all want to get to the bottom of it. You are exactly right don’t hide the problem, show the evidence!Chod wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 11:20 pmI believe the players. There may have been miscommunication on the call, but I believe the players believe in what they are standing up for. I don't get the feeling this is in protest to Frank not getting the job. Instead, they think there is a real bias in the way the decision was made and they don't want to play for a program that will disqualify someone because of their religion and race. Just because you look up to NC or JH and think they walk on water doesn't mean it doesn't exist... you just haven't been around long enough to see this garbage in all sorts of people that you once idolized. The only way to fix a problem is to identify it, not to hide it.
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Re: Players voted against playing because of comments by President Cockett
It also doesn't make any sense. I could see if it was a different race or religion but the 2 in question aren't logical within USU. Also Frank has been given the reigns twice which wouldn't have been done if they had a strong bias.cbingham wrote: ↑December 12th, 2020, 12:12 amI find it fascinating that what seem to be the majority of fans of a football team are so quick to side against a team in this scenario. I agree that the information is still foggy but I’m interested to see how many of you side immediately with the establishment leadership and against the players that you cheer for, going so far as to make personal comments. I’m curious whether then makeup of football teams and BLM are driving the numbers to skew against the team with so many?
Additionally, I’d hope that a University President would be smarter than to make these alleged inappropriate comments but I’ve also heard Fortune 100 CEOs make comments that are even less appropriate so I’d never bet against it.
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Re: Players voted against playing because of comments by President Cockett
As for one of those-AgMac wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 11:07 pmBond was also critical of Gary's firing, despite Gary being directly responsible for how some of the previous incidents cited by the players were handled.USU78 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 8:58 pmHe certainly did.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 8:54 pmIf I remember correctly didn't bond say some not so great things when Shelley was dismissed as well?USU78 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 8:50 pmAs far as we can tell, Bond's sole gripe then was that the polynesian coach he backed was denied a golden ticket in favor of The Man.
I thought Equipment was a shared service provider for all of athletics. (although football certainly would be where the bulk of the energy goes).
That's not to say that the account is used in good faith- or that Gary couldnt have done more.
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Re: Players voted against playing because of comments by President Cockett
Honest question. Regardless of any formal structuring, if an equipment manager called one of Gary's players the N word, do you think Gary couldn't have him fired?Imakeitrain wrote: ↑December 12th, 2020, 12:52 amAs for one of those-AgMac wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 11:07 pmBond was also critical of Gary's firing, despite Gary being directly responsible for how some of the previous incidents cited by the players were handled.USU78 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 8:58 pmHe certainly did.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 8:54 pmIf I remember correctly didn't bond say some not so great things when Shelley was dismissed as well?USU78 wrote: ↑December 11th, 2020, 8:50 pmAs far as we can tell, Bond's sole gripe then was that the polynesian coach he backed was denied a golden ticket in favor of The Man.
I thought Equipment was a shared service provider for all of athletics. (although football certainly would be where the bulk of the energy goes).
That's not to say that the account is used in good faith- or that Gary couldnt have done more.