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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by Chatman » December 5th, 2020, 11:02 am

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Personally I think Harrell would have been a bigger risk than Jay Hill.
For both he and us
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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by aggies22 » December 5th, 2020, 1:02 pm

BLUERUFiO wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 10:24 am
The more I think about it, the more I like the Buffalo coach.

Also, no recent mentions of Oregon’s DC?
I have never heard the name of Andy Avalos mentioned.



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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by coolag » December 5th, 2020, 1:06 pm

Wells might lose to Kansas and if so my bet is on tech buying him out and hiring harell.



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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » December 5th, 2020, 1:13 pm

coolag wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 1:06 pm
Wells might lose to Kansas and if so my bet is on tech buying him out and hiring harell.
Wells isnt coaching today.



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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by Imakeitrain » December 5th, 2020, 1:39 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 1:13 pm
coolag wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 1:06 pm
Wells might lose to Kansas and if so my bet is on tech buying him out and hiring harell.
Wells isnt coaching today.
Rumor has it they're looking at Art Briles regardless.


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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » December 5th, 2020, 1:51 pm

Imakeitrain wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 1:39 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 1:13 pm
coolag wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 1:06 pm
Wells might lose to Kansas and if so my bet is on tech buying him out and hiring harell.
Wells isnt coaching today.
Rumor has it they're looking at Art Briles regardless.
My sympathy for the texas tech female students if that is the case.



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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by wacfan08 » December 5th, 2020, 2:02 pm

Reports that Graham Harrell is no longer interested are wrong. Assistant pay was a concern. Significant difference there. He may not end up with it. But it is NOT off the table.
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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by Chatman » December 5th, 2020, 2:06 pm

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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by Chatman » December 5th, 2020, 2:06 pm

wacfan08 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 2:02 pm
Reports that Graham Harrell is no longer interested is wrong. Assistant pay was a concern. He may not end up with it. But it is NOT off the table.
I have always felt that while the head coach is the most important coaching position, the offensive and defensive coordinator are nearly as important. Gotta have resources to pay them in order to be successful.



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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by mcaggie1 » December 5th, 2020, 2:07 pm

wacfan08 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 2:02 pm
Reports that Graham Harrell is no longer interested is wrong. Assistant pay was a concern. He may not end up with it. But it is NOT off the table.
Come on you guys with deep pockets.....quadruple your BBC payment..



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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by mcaggie1 » December 5th, 2020, 2:11 pm

Imakeitrain wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 1:39 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 1:13 pm
coolag wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 1:06 pm
Wells might lose to Kansas and if so my bet is on tech buying him out and hiring harell.
Wells isnt coaching today.
Rumor has it they're looking at Art Briles regardless.
Texas Tech doesn’t want him....why should we?



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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by aggies22 » December 5th, 2020, 2:25 pm

Imakeitrain wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 1:39 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 1:13 pm
coolag wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 1:06 pm
Wells might lose to Kansas and if so my bet is on tech buying him out and hiring harell.
Wells isnt coaching today.
Rumor has it they're looking at Art Briles regardless.
Man, that would be a stupid a$$ hire.
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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by brownjeans » December 5th, 2020, 2:26 pm

aggieman2828 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 9:18 am
I would rather have Hill than Leipold. Hill knows the USU landscape and the blueprint for success here that GA put in place. That has to factor in the decision.
Yes, you have to have deep connections in Utah to succeed as a coach at USU. Take Smith for example, he had no ties to utah and he's been terrible.

;)
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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by ViAggie » December 5th, 2020, 2:26 pm

coolag wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 1:06 pm
Wells might lose to Kansas and if so my bet is on tech buying him out and hiring harell.
Wells has da covid, not coaching today


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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by JFW_AGGIES » December 5th, 2020, 2:28 pm

mcaggie1 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 2:11 pm
Imakeitrain wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 1:39 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 1:13 pm
coolag wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 1:06 pm
Wells might lose to Kansas and if so my bet is on tech buying him out and hiring harell.
Wells isnt coaching today.
Rumor has it they're looking at Art Briles regardless.
Texas Tech doesn’t want him....why should we?
Texas tech is rumored to want Briles



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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by aggieman2828 » December 5th, 2020, 2:38 pm

brownjeans wrote:
aggieman2828 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 9:18 am
I would rather have Hill than Leipold. Hill knows the USU landscape and the blueprint for success here that GA put in place. That has to factor in the decision.
Yes, you have to have deep connections in Utah to succeed as a coach at USU. Take Smith for example, he had no ties to utah and he's been terrible.

;)
How do you compare recruiting 15 players to 85? You can’t. If you want to build the program it starts with the local guys. Prior to GA we had about 15 local guys compared to when he left and it was over 40. You need to know how to recruit the poly’s and also recruit the mission guys. You can hit the transfer portal and win for a year or 2 but to build sustainable success you need to follow the blueprint. IMO.


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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » December 5th, 2020, 2:50 pm

aggies22 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 2:25 pm
Imakeitrain wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 1:39 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 1:13 pm
coolag wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 1:06 pm
Wells might lose to Kansas and if so my bet is on tech buying him out and hiring harell.
Wells isnt coaching today.
Rumor has it they're looking at Art Briles regardless.
Man, that would be a stupid a$$ hire.
Baylor was a rape factory under briles. He should never be in charge of a program again.
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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by Aggie19 » December 5th, 2020, 2:56 pm

aggieman2828 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 2:38 pm
brownjeans wrote:
aggieman2828 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 9:18 am
I would rather have Hill than Leipold. Hill knows the USU landscape and the blueprint for success here that GA put in place. That has to factor in the decision.
Yes, you have to have deep connections in Utah to succeed as a coach at USU. Take Smith for example, he had no ties to utah and he's been terrible.

;)
How do you compare recruiting 15 players to 85? You can’t. If you want to build the program it starts with the local guys. Prior to GA we had about 15 local guys compared to when he left and it was over 40. You need to know how to recruit the poly’s and also recruit the mission guys. You can hit the transfer portal and win for a year or 2 but to build sustainable success you need to follow the blueprint. IMO.


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One of the things that I think is overlooked frequently with this argument is that what USU is now versus what we were when GA took over the first time are very different. GA recruited local kids for a few reasons: to build local investment into the program, that's what he could get to play in the WAC and I believe Utah's shift to the PAC12 made it easier for us to recruit locally when they had to start getting higher rated recruits. That's not who we are anymore. The conference is better, 2nd best G5 right now (sorry, right now it's true) and we have been in the top half of that conference most years recently. A few years we were one of the top G5 teams in the country. USU is no longer a stepping stone to another G5, the next stop is P5, that's not what we were back when GA 1.0 started.

I agree on the Polynesian kids and the missionary program, they help us tremendously. But everybody is recruiting Polynesian and LDS kids now. Social media and the internet have changed all that. The "formula" can work for sure, but it doesn't mean that you have to be born into that system to have success.
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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by seabass » December 5th, 2020, 3:18 pm

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Ok make it 4.
I’d be 100% fine with a Skip Holtz hire.
Me to...as long as he brings his dad with him to do all the coaches shows. :rock:
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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by Aggie84025 » December 5th, 2020, 3:52 pm

Chatman wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 2:06 pm
wacfan08 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 2:02 pm
Reports that Graham Harrell is no longer interested is wrong. Assistant pay was a concern. He may not end up with it. But it is NOT off the table.
I have always felt that while the head coach is the most important coaching position, the offensive and defensive coordinator are nearly as important. Gotta have resources to pay them in order to be successful.
I agree this is one of our biggest issues. We actually pay our head coach for a G5 program pretty well we're very very competitive. We have to be able to improve our donations in order to increase our assistant pay that is where we are for sure lacking.



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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by brownjeans » December 5th, 2020, 4:41 pm

aggieman2828 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 2:38 pm
brownjeans wrote:
aggieman2828 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 9:18 am
I would rather have Hill than Leipold. Hill knows the USU landscape and the blueprint for success here that GA put in place. That has to factor in the decision.
Yes, you have to have deep connections in Utah to succeed as a coach at USU. Take Smith for example, he had no ties to utah and he's been terrible.

;)
How do you compare recruiting 15 players to 85? You can’t. If you want to build the program it starts with the local guys. Prior to GA we had about 15 local guys compared to when he left and it was over 40. You need to know how to recruit the poly’s and also recruit the mission guys. You can hit the transfer portal and win for a year or 2 but to build sustainable success you need to follow the blueprint. IMO.
Hire a winning coach and all kinds of players will want to play for USU regardless of where the coach is from.
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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by swordsman1989 » December 5th, 2020, 5:06 pm

slcagg wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 9:15 am
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December 5th, 2020, 8:56 am
If those are the front runners it should be Leipold. He is older, but is a fantastic proven coach.

Skip Holtz bombed at South Florida and that is why he hasn't got a P5 job offer.
Do you like a hiring of Leipold better than Harrell?

I’d also be curious on his overall record at Buffalo being .500 ball. I know I know it’s hard to win at Buffalo.

Maybe he inherited a mess and it took a few years to get it going?
Buffalo was 20-36 in the five seasons prior to Lance Leipold being hired. Leipold had losing seasons his first two years at Buffalo, was 6-6 in his third year, and is 22-9 over the past three years. I know it is division 3, but his 109-6 record and six d3 national championships at Wisconsin-Whitewater, and his recent success at Buffalo (they have won 10 of their last 11 games too) show he knows how to win. I would be quite happy with him.
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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by slcagg » December 5th, 2020, 5:12 pm

swordsman1989 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 5:06 pm
slcagg wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 9:15 am
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 8:56 am
If those are the front runners it should be Leipold. He is older, but is a fantastic proven coach.

Skip Holtz bombed at South Florida and that is why he hasn't got a P5 job offer.
Do you like a hiring of Leipold better than Harrell?

I’d also be curious on his overall record at Buffalo being .500 ball. I know I know it’s hard to win at Buffalo.

Maybe he inherited a mess and it took a few years to get it going?
Buffalo was 20-36 in the five seasons prior to Lance Leipold being hired. Leipold had losing seasons his two two years at Buffalo, was 6-6 in his third year, and is 22-9 over the past three years. I know it is division 3, but his 109-6 record and six d3 national championships at Wisconsin-Whitewater, and his recent success at Buffalo (they have won 10 of their last 11 games too) show he knows how to win. I would be quite happy with him.
Thank you. This was what I was curious on. Also seems that once he started winning their have been no 3-9 type seasons every 3 years.



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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » December 5th, 2020, 5:13 pm

swordsman1989 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 5:06 pm
slcagg wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 9:15 am
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 8:56 am
If those are the front runners it should be Leipold. He is older, but is a fantastic proven coach.

Skip Holtz bombed at South Florida and that is why he hasn't got a P5 job offer.
Do you like a hiring of Leipold better than Harrell?

I’d also be curious on his overall record at Buffalo being .500 ball. I know I know it’s hard to win at Buffalo.

Maybe he inherited a mess and it took a few years to get it going?
Buffalo was 20-36 in the five seasons prior to Lance Leipold being hired. Leipold had losing seasons his two two years at Buffalo, was 6-6 in his third year, and is 22-9 over the past three years. I know it is division 3, but his 109-6 record and six d3 national championships at Wisconsin-Whitewater, and his recent success at Buffalo (they have won 10 of their last 11 games too) show he knows how to win. I would be quite happy with him.
His Wisconsin whitewater record is insane. The guy knows football.



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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by Imakeitrain » December 5th, 2020, 5:36 pm

aggieman2828 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 2:38 pm
brownjeans wrote:
aggieman2828 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 9:18 am
I would rather have Hill than Leipold. Hill knows the USU landscape and the blueprint for success here that GA put in place. That has to factor in the decision.
Yes, you have to have deep connections in Utah to succeed as a coach at USU. Take Smith for example, he had no ties to utah and he's been terrible.

;)
How do you compare recruiting 15 players to 85? You can’t. If you want to build the program it starts with the local guys. Prior to GA we had about 15 local guys compared to when he left and it was over 40. You need to know how to recruit the poly’s and also recruit the mission guys. You can hit the transfer portal and win for a year or 2 but to build sustainable success you need to follow the blueprint. IMO.


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Do Polynesian parents want different things for their kids than others?

Recruitment really isn’t that different no matter where you are.

Yes, there are cultural differences, but we are talking SLC not Belgrade.

Those differences can be learned and those connections can be made. What you can’t BS is quality and personability.

Hamstringing us to someone with Utah connections is a giant mistake imo.
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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by aggieman2828 » December 5th, 2020, 5:38 pm

Imakeitrain wrote:
aggieman2828 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 2:38 pm
brownjeans wrote:
aggieman2828 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 9:18 am
I would rather have Hill than Leipold. Hill knows the USU landscape and the blueprint for success here that GA put in place. That has to factor in the decision.
Yes, you have to have deep connections in Utah to succeed as a coach at USU. Take Smith for example, he had no ties to utah and he's been terrible.

;)
How do you compare recruiting 15 players to 85? You can’t. If you want to build the program it starts with the local guys. Prior to GA we had about 15 local guys compared to when he left and it was over 40. You need to know how to recruit the poly’s and also recruit the mission guys. You can hit the transfer portal and win for a year or 2 but to build sustainable success you need to follow the blueprint. IMO.


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Do Polynesian parents want different things for their kids than others?

Recruitment really isn’t that different no matter where you are.

Yes, there are cultural differences, but we are talking SLC not Belgrade.

Those differences can be learned and those connections can be made. What you can’t BS is quality and personability.

Hamstringing us to someone with Utah connections is a giant mistake imo.
Idk. Maybe you should ask Tipa why he was more comfortable at USU than TCU.


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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by Imakeitrain » December 5th, 2020, 5:48 pm

aggieman2828 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 5:38 pm
Imakeitrain wrote:
aggieman2828 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 2:38 pm
brownjeans wrote:
aggieman2828 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 9:18 am
I would rather have Hill than Leipold. Hill knows the USU landscape and the blueprint for success here that GA put in place. That has to factor in the decision.
Yes, you have to have deep connections in Utah to succeed as a coach at USU. Take Smith for example, he had no ties to utah and he's been terrible.

;)
How do you compare recruiting 15 players to 85? You can’t. If you want to build the program it starts with the local guys. Prior to GA we had about 15 local guys compared to when he left and it was over 40. You need to know how to recruit the poly’s and also recruit the mission guys. You can hit the transfer portal and win for a year or 2 but to build sustainable success you need to follow the blueprint. IMO.


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Do Polynesian parents want different things for their kids than others?

Recruitment really isn’t that different no matter where you are.

Yes, there are cultural differences, but we are talking SLC not Belgrade.

Those differences can be learned and those connections can be made. What you can’t BS is quality and personability.

Hamstringing us to someone with Utah connections is a giant mistake imo.
Idk. Maybe you should ask Tipa why he was more comfortable at USU than TCU.


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I don’t know Tipa. But I’m guessing it wasn’t Wells’ Polynesian heritage. In fact I was told by the people speaking on behalf of Polynesians that Wells made it so that no Polynesian would ever want to play at USU again.

Maybe the next coach isn’t from Utah, but it’s not like we’d stop recruiting Polynesians. I’m sure there will be Polynesians on staff. I want the best coach possible. I’m sure you do too. So why limit ourselves to the best coach from Utah?


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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by aggieman2828 » December 5th, 2020, 5:53 pm

Imakeitrain wrote:
aggieman2828 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 5:38 pm
Imakeitrain wrote:
aggieman2828 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 2:38 pm
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aggieman2828 wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 9:18 am
I would rather have Hill than Leipold. Hill knows the USU landscape and the blueprint for success here that GA put in place. That has to factor in the decision.
Yes, you have to have deep connections in Utah to succeed as a coach at USU. Take Smith for example, he had no ties to utah and he's been terrible.

;)
How do you compare recruiting 15 players to 85? You can’t. If you want to build the program it starts with the local guys. Prior to GA we had about 15 local guys compared to when he left and it was over 40. You need to know how to recruit the poly’s and also recruit the mission guys. You can hit the transfer portal and win for a year or 2 but to build sustainable success you need to follow the blueprint. IMO.


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Do Polynesian parents want different things for their kids than others?

Recruitment really isn’t that different no matter where you are.

Yes, there are cultural differences, but we are talking SLC not Belgrade.

Those differences can be learned and those connections can be made. What you can’t BS is quality and personability.

Hamstringing us to someone with Utah connections is a giant mistake imo.
Idk. Maybe you should ask Tipa why he was more comfortable at USU than TCU.


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I don’t know Tipa. But I’m guessing it wasn’t Wells’ Polynesian heritage. In fact I was told by the people speaking on behalf of Polynesians that Wells made it so that no Polynesian would ever want to play at USU again.

Maybe the next coach isn’t from Utah, but it’s not like we’d stop recruiting Polynesians. I’m sure there will be Polynesians on staff. I want the best coach possible. I’m sure you do too. So why limit ourselves to the best coach from Utah?
I do want the best coach possible. I just hope we don’t overlook a coach because he’s in Utah. I trust JH to make that decision. That’s why he makes the big bucks. I was all in on bringing GA back so that shows what I know. Image


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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by GUS » December 5th, 2020, 6:29 pm

Tipa had a run in with the law and needed to leave tcu.



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Post by AGGIEinIOWA » December 5th, 2020, 7:55 pm

I don’t think anyone said they needed to be from Utah, it just helps to know the ins and outs of the culture you will be working in. You see good coaches fail all the time just because it wasn’t the right fit. I’m sure if Leipold surrounded himself with the right people on staff he could learn and navigate things fine. My point wasn’t that he couldn’t figure it out but that I prefer Hill because I know he already has it figured out. That being said, I would still be happy with Leipold.



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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by 2004AG » December 5th, 2020, 8:55 pm

AGGIEinIOWA wrote:I don’t think anyone said they needed to be from Utah, it just helps to know the ins and outs of the culture you will be working in. You see good coaches fail all the time just because it wasn’t the right fit. I’m sure if Leipold surrounded himself with the right people on staff he could learn and navigate things fine. My point wasn’t that he couldn’t figure it out but that I prefer Hill because I know he already has it figured out. That being said, I would still be happy with Leipold.
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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by cval » December 5th, 2020, 9:19 pm

Some on the board think he has to know the Utah culture, and others think he can't.



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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by GameFAQSAggie » December 5th, 2020, 9:24 pm

For one thing, you would hope that if it's Leipold, that he does NOT try to pressure kids into forgoing missions, and does not tell kids they will ONLY get a scholarship on the condition of forgoing their mission. While Matt Wells is not a member of dominant Utah religion, he was good about supporting choices to serve a mission.

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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by Sl7vk » December 5th, 2020, 9:59 pm

If the best candidate is from Tremonton, great.
If he’s from Sandusky, no problem.

The best candidate will know how to extract the maximum of local resources and then fill the void with non-local ones.



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Re: Graham Harrell

Post by ususports » December 5th, 2020, 10:59 pm

Sl7vk wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 9:59 pm
If he’s from Sandusky, no problem.
Or she. Let’s keep this politically correct and equal opportunity to not offend anyone.



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