Damage to the state of the program

splintorb · Post by **splintorb** » November 23rd, 2020, 4:35 pm

swordsman1989 wrote: ↑
November 23rd, 2020, 4:23 pm
Has there been any real information as to what happened? Two years ago USU was a top 25 team on the way to an 11 win season. Last year at this time the Aggies were finishing another winning regular season, anticipating another bowl bid and being led by the coach who had built a winning program with a first round draft pick at QB. Now the program is winless, effectively rudderless, and players and coaches are looking for the exits. What did Gary do to this program?! Does anyone really know what was happening in the Laub building? Has Gary said anything to anyone since leaving? Has any player come out and talked about what was happening? There is a lot of smoke, and the foundation seems to be collapsing, and nobody really seems to know how or why it happened. Nothing about this epic collapse makes any sense.

There are definitely people who know. But, I don't think this information will come out to the general public...

Aggie702 · Post by **Aggie702** » November 23rd, 2020, 5:38 pm

Captain obvious but our path back to respectability all depends on the coach. Fingers crossed Hartwell comes through again.

El Sapo · Post by **El Sapo** » November 24th, 2020, 12:28 pm

swordsman1989 wrote: ↑
November 23rd, 2020, 4:23 pm
Has there been any real information as to what happened? Two years ago USU was a top 25 team on the way to an 11 win season. Last year at this time the Aggies were finishing another winning regular season, anticipating another bowl bid and being led by the coach who had built a winning program with a first round draft pick at QB. Now the program is winless, effectively rudderless, and players and coaches are looking for the exits. What did Gary do to this program?! Does anyone really know what was happening in the Laub building? Has Gary said anything to anyone since leaving? Has any player come out and talked about what was happening? There is a lot of smoke, and the foundation seems to be collapsing, and nobody really seems to know how or why it happened. Nothing about this epic collapse makes any sense.

I've been asking the same thing since the Boise game. We need insider info. A couple of posters have talked about a split among the coaching staff. Over what? Clearly the communication was broken between position coaches and those position coaches, players and GA on both sides of the ball. Total FUBAR situation. Very evident on the field. Looked like it improved slightly when GA left. Or, was that because the OC and his assistant were sidelined? Incredible that it actually got to this point. GA allowed things to become so broken that we lose our HC, (and probably as a result the entire coaching staff). We lose Henry C., Shelley, Thompkins, and probably many more players..... Our best players don't want to play for these coaches. What does that tell you about who we'll hire to replace GA?

This is a total rebuild, and it's going to take 3-4 years for us to be competitive again.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » November 24th, 2020, 12:30 pm

El Sapo wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 12:28 pm

swordsman1989 wrote: ↑
November 23rd, 2020, 4:23 pm
Has there been any real information as to what happened? Two years ago USU was a top 25 team on the way to an 11 win season. Last year at this time the Aggies were finishing another winning regular season, anticipating another bowl bid and being led by the coach who had built a winning program with a first round draft pick at QB. Now the program is winless, effectively rudderless, and players and coaches are looking for the exits. What did Gary do to this program?! Does anyone really know what was happening in the Laub building? Has Gary said anything to anyone since leaving? Has any player come out and talked about what was happening? There is a lot of smoke, and the foundation seems to be collapsing, and nobody really seems to know how or why it happened. Nothing about this epic collapse makes any sense.
I've been asking the same thing since the Boise game. We need insider info. A couple of posters have talked about a split among the coaching staff. Over what? Clearly the communication was broken between position coaches and those position coaches, players and GA on both sides of the ball. Total FUBAR situation. Very evident on the field. Looked like it improved slightly when GA left. Or, was that because the OC and his assistant were sidelined? Incredible that it actually got to this point. GA allowed things to become so broken that we lose our HC, (and probably as a result the entire coaching staff). We lose Henry C., Shelley, Thompkins, and probably many more players..... Our best players don't want to play for these coaches. What does that tell you about who we'll hire to replace GA?

This is a total rebuild, and it's going to take 3-4 years for us to be competitive again.

Yeah I agree it is a much bigger rebuild than many people on here want to believe it is. There was much more promise on the 2008 USU team that went 3-9 and got Brent Guy fired with Wagner, Turbin, etc. .. And it wasn't until 2011 that we had a winning season. From what we have seen now, it will probably be around 2023 before we have a winning team again and that will be if our coach really knows what he is doing.

El Sapo · Post by **El Sapo** » November 24th, 2020, 1:10 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 12:30 pm

El Sapo wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 12:28 pm

swordsman1989 wrote: ↑
November 23rd, 2020, 4:23 pm
Has there been any real information as to what happened? Two years ago USU was a top 25 team on the way to an 11 win season. Last year at this time the Aggies were finishing another winning regular season, anticipating another bowl bid and being led by the coach who had built a winning program with a first round draft pick at QB. Now the program is winless, effectively rudderless, and players and coaches are looking for the exits. What did Gary do to this program?! Does anyone really know what was happening in the Laub building? Has Gary said anything to anyone since leaving? Has any player come out and talked about what was happening? There is a lot of smoke, and the foundation seems to be collapsing, and nobody really seems to know how or why it happened. Nothing about this epic collapse makes any sense.
I've been asking the same thing since the Boise game. We need insider info. A couple of posters have talked about a split among the coaching staff. Over what? Clearly the communication was broken between position coaches and those position coaches, players and GA on both sides of the ball. Total FUBAR situation. Very evident on the field. Looked like it improved slightly when GA left. Or, was that because the OC and his assistant were sidelined? Incredible that it actually got to this point. GA allowed things to become so broken that we lose our HC, (and probably as a result the entire coaching staff). We lose Henry C., Shelley, Thompkins, and probably many more players..... Our best players don't want to play for these coaches. What does that tell you about who we'll hire to replace GA?

This is a total rebuild, and it's going to take 3-4 years for us to be competitive again.
Yeah I agree it is a much bigger rebuild than many people on here want to believe it is. There was much more promise on the 2008 USU team that went 3-9 and got Brent Guy fired with Wagner, Turbin, etc. .. And it wasn't until 2011 that we had a winning season. From what we have seen now, it will probably be around 2023 before we have a winning team again and that will be if our coach really knows what he is doing.

GA was underproductive as a HC. He had a really loaded roster and got outcoached way too many times during his first stint here. We made a mistake looking at past performance instead of our future when we re-hired him. I still trust Hartwell to find another Craig Smith double AA personality type guy.

Believe it or not, a young John Madden was on his way to Logan at one time. We can find a great coach. We need a clean sweep (flush) of this entire coaching staff, and the HC candidates we interview shouldn't need to have manure on their boots or a Book of Mormon in their luggage.

USU78 · Post by **USU78** » November 24th, 2020, 2:12 pm

El Sapo wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 1:10 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 12:30 pm

El Sapo wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 12:28 pm

swordsman1989 wrote: ↑
November 23rd, 2020, 4:23 pm
Has there been any real information as to what happened? Two years ago USU was a top 25 team on the way to an 11 win season. Last year at this time the Aggies were finishing another winning regular season, anticipating another bowl bid and being led by the coach who had built a winning program with a first round draft pick at QB. Now the program is winless, effectively rudderless, and players and coaches are looking for the exits. What did Gary do to this program?! Does anyone really know what was happening in the Laub building? Has Gary said anything to anyone since leaving? Has any player come out and talked about what was happening? There is a lot of smoke, and the foundation seems to be collapsing, and nobody really seems to know how or why it happened. Nothing about this epic collapse makes any sense.
I've been asking the same thing since the Boise game. We need insider info. A couple of posters have talked about a split among the coaching staff. Over what? Clearly the communication was broken between position coaches and those position coaches, players and GA on both sides of the ball. Total FUBAR situation. Very evident on the field. Looked like it improved slightly when GA left. Or, was that because the OC and his assistant were sidelined? Incredible that it actually got to this point. GA allowed things to become so broken that we lose our HC, (and probably as a result the entire coaching staff). We lose Henry C., Shelley, Thompkins, and probably many more players..... Our best players don't want to play for these coaches. What does that tell you about who we'll hire to replace GA?

This is a total rebuild, and it's going to take 3-4 years for us to be competitive again.
Yeah I agree it is a much bigger rebuild than many people on here want to believe it is. There was much more promise on the 2008 USU team that went 3-9 and got Brent Guy fired with Wagner, Turbin, etc. .. And it wasn't until 2011 that we had a winning season. From what we have seen now, it will probably be around 2023 before we have a winning team again and that will be if our coach really knows what he is doing.
GA was underproductive as a HC. He had a really loaded roster and got outcoached way too many times during his first stint here. We made a mistake looking at past performance instead of our future when we re-hired him. I still trust Hartwell to find another Craig Smith double AA personality type guy.

Believe it or not, a young John Madden was on his way to Logan at one time. We can find a great coach. We need a clean sweep (flush) of this entire coaching staff, and the HC candidates we interview shouldn't need to have manure on their boots or a Book of Mormon in their luggage.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » November 24th, 2020, 3:08 pm

El Sapo wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 1:10 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 12:30 pm

El Sapo wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 12:28 pm

swordsman1989 wrote: ↑
November 23rd, 2020, 4:23 pm
Has there been any real information as to what happened? Two years ago USU was a top 25 team on the way to an 11 win season. Last year at this time the Aggies were finishing another winning regular season, anticipating another bowl bid and being led by the coach who had built a winning program with a first round draft pick at QB. Now the program is winless, effectively rudderless, and players and coaches are looking for the exits. What did Gary do to this program?! Does anyone really know what was happening in the Laub building? Has Gary said anything to anyone since leaving? Has any player come out and talked about what was happening? There is a lot of smoke, and the foundation seems to be collapsing, and nobody really seems to know how or why it happened. Nothing about this epic collapse makes any sense.
I've been asking the same thing since the Boise game. We need insider info. A couple of posters have talked about a split among the coaching staff. Over what? Clearly the communication was broken between position coaches and those position coaches, players and GA on both sides of the ball. Total FUBAR situation. Very evident on the field. Looked like it improved slightly when GA left. Or, was that because the OC and his assistant were sidelined? Incredible that it actually got to this point. GA allowed things to become so broken that we lose our HC, (and probably as a result the entire coaching staff). We lose Henry C., Shelley, Thompkins, and probably many more players..... Our best players don't want to play for these coaches. What does that tell you about who we'll hire to replace GA?

This is a total rebuild, and it's going to take 3-4 years for us to be competitive again.
Yeah I agree it is a much bigger rebuild than many people on here want to believe it is. There was much more promise on the 2008 USU team that went 3-9 and got Brent Guy fired with Wagner, Turbin, etc. .. And it wasn't until 2011 that we had a winning season. From what we have seen now, it will probably be around 2023 before we have a winning team again and that will be if our coach really knows what he is doing.
GA was underproductive as a HC. He had a really loaded roster and got outcoached way too many times during his first stint here. We made a mistake looking at past performance instead of our future when we re-hired him. I still trust Hartwell to find another Craig Smith double AA personality type guy.

Believe it or not, a young John Madden was on his way to Logan at one time. We can find a great coach. We need a clean sweep (flush) of this entire coaching staff, and the HC candidates we interview shouldn't need to have manure on their boots or a Book of Mormon in their luggage.

Gary 2.0 was a disaster, but to say GA 1.0 was unproductive as head coach is ludicrous. GA 1.0 was competitive in almost of all of his games. What he did with the program was quite frankly a miracle. By the time he left that team was literally a top 25 team. Considering the prior 30 years of the program he was fantastic his first go around.

El Sapo · Post by **El Sapo** » November 24th, 2020, 3:30 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 3:08 pm

El Sapo wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 1:10 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 12:30 pm

El Sapo wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 12:28 pm

swordsman1989 wrote: ↑
November 23rd, 2020, 4:23 pm
Has there been any real information as to what happened? Two years ago USU was a top 25 team on the way to an 11 win season. Last year at this time the Aggies were finishing another winning regular season, anticipating another bowl bid and being led by the coach who had built a winning program with a first round draft pick at QB. Now the program is winless, effectively rudderless, and players and coaches are looking for the exits. What did Gary do to this program?! Does anyone really know what was happening in the Laub building? Has Gary said anything to anyone since leaving? Has any player come out and talked about what was happening? There is a lot of smoke, and the foundation seems to be collapsing, and nobody really seems to know how or why it happened. Nothing about this epic collapse makes any sense.
I've been asking the same thing since the Boise game. We need insider info. A couple of posters have talked about a split among the coaching staff. Over what? Clearly the communication was broken between position coaches and those position coaches, players and GA on both sides of the ball. Total FUBAR situation. Very evident on the field. Looked like it improved slightly when GA left. Or, was that because the OC and his assistant were sidelined? Incredible that it actually got to this point. GA allowed things to become so broken that we lose our HC, (and probably as a result the entire coaching staff). We lose Henry C., Shelley, Thompkins, and probably many more players..... Our best players don't want to play for these coaches. What does that tell you about who we'll hire to replace GA?

This is a total rebuild, and it's going to take 3-4 years for us to be competitive again.

Yeah I agree it is a much bigger rebuild than many people on here want to believe it is. There was much more promise on the 2008 USU team that went 3-9 and got Brent Guy fired with Wagner, Turbin, etc. .. And it wasn't until 2011 that we had a winning season. From what we have seen now, it will probably be around 2023 before we have a winning team again and that will be if our coach really knows what he is doing.
GA was underproductive as a HC. He had a really loaded roster and got outcoached way too many times during his first stint here. We made a mistake looking at past performance instead of our future when we re-hired him. I still trust Hartwell to find another Craig Smith double AA personality type guy.

Believe it or not, a young John Madden was on his way to Logan at one time. We can find a great coach. We need a clean sweep (flush) of this entire coaching staff, and the HC candidates we interview shouldn't need to have manure on their boots or a Book of Mormon in their luggage.
Gary 2.0 was a disaster, but to say GA 1.0 was unproductive as head coach is ludicrous. GA 1.0 was competitive in almost of all of his games. What he did with the program was quite frankly a miracle. By the time he left that team was literally a top 25 team. Considering the prior 30 years of the program he was fantastic his first go around.

It's 2 separate things. Underproductive as a coach on the field -vs- building a program.

GA was a bad game day coach. But, he built a great program. He was a great program builder. It's all credit (and blame) to him. He could have had better coaches around him, he could have made better decisions, but when you say he was competitive? It's competitive you use to describe GA 1.0 because he didn't win those games that would have made him a "winner."

GameFAQSAggie · Post by **GameFAQSAggie** » November 24th, 2020, 3:48 pm

GA 1.0 was a great player developer, recruiter, off season and camp trainer, game planner, and a good coach cause of being great at those things BUT a poor in-game adjuster. Examples of poor in-game adjusting:
1. The onside kick at Auburn
2. Putting back Eric Moats to drop the punt against Colorado State
3. 96 yard drive to BYU
4. Even his first year, but against New Mexico State who was worse than us, losing to them cause of being conservative.
5. His first Potato Bowl against Ohio.
6. The two big wins his final year, Utah and LA Tech were IN SPITE of poor in-game adjusting, but cause of development to get the program to where it was at.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » November 24th, 2020, 3:57 pm

El Sapo wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 3:30 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 3:08 pm

El Sapo wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 1:10 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 12:30 pm

El Sapo wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 12:28 pm

swordsman1989 wrote: ↑
November 23rd, 2020, 4:23 pm
Has there been any real information as to what happened? Two years ago USU was a top 25 team on the way to an 11 win season. Last year at this time the Aggies were finishing another winning regular season, anticipating another bowl bid and being led by the coach who had built a winning program with a first round draft pick at QB. Now the program is winless, effectively rudderless, and players and coaches are looking for the exits. What did Gary do to this program?! Does anyone really know what was happening in the Laub building? Has Gary said anything to anyone since leaving? Has any player come out and talked about what was happening? There is a lot of smoke, and the foundation seems to be collapsing, and nobody really seems to know how or why it happened. Nothing about this epic collapse makes any sense.
I've been asking the same thing since the Boise game. We need insider info. A couple of posters have talked about a split among the coaching staff. Over what? Clearly the communication was broken between position coaches and those position coaches, players and GA on both sides of the ball. Total FUBAR situation. Very evident on the field. Looked like it improved slightly when GA left. Or, was that because the OC and his assistant were sidelined? Incredible that it actually got to this point. GA allowed things to become so broken that we lose our HC, (and probably as a result the entire coaching staff). We lose Henry C., Shelley, Thompkins, and probably many more players..... Our best players don't want to play for these coaches. What does that tell you about who we'll hire to replace GA?

This is a total rebuild, and it's going to take 3-4 years for us to be competitive again.

Yeah I agree it is a much bigger rebuild than many people on here want to believe it is. There was much more promise on the 2008 USU team that went 3-9 and got Brent Guy fired with Wagner, Turbin, etc. .. And it wasn't until 2011 that we had a winning season. From what we have seen now, it will probably be around 2023 before we have a winning team again and that will be if our coach really knows what he is doing.
GA was underproductive as a HC. He had a really loaded roster and got outcoached way too many times during his first stint here. We made a mistake looking at past performance instead of our future when we re-hired him. I still trust Hartwell to find another Craig Smith double AA personality type guy.

Believe it or not, a young John Madden was on his way to Logan at one time. We can find a great coach. We need a clean sweep (flush) of this entire coaching staff, and the HC candidates we interview shouldn't need to have manure on their boots or a Book of Mormon in their luggage.
Gary 2.0 was a disaster, but to say GA 1.0 was unproductive as head coach is ludicrous. GA 1.0 was competitive in almost of all of his games. What he did with the program was quite frankly a miracle. By the time he left that team was literally a top 25 team. Considering the prior 30 years of the program he was fantastic his first go around.
It's 2 separate things. Underproductive as a coach on the field -vs- building a program.

GA was a bad game day coach. But, he built a great program. He was a great program builder. It's all credit (and blame) to him. He could have had better coaches around him, he could have made better decisions, but when you say he was competitive? It's competitive you use to describe GA 1.0 because he didn't win those games that would have made him a "winner."

He for sure could have won some of those games that he was just competitive in, but I would consider GA 1.0 a winner. Look at his last year, an 11-2 record is fantastic. Follow that up with the team that he left it was fantastic. We obviously disagree if he was a winner on not which is fine, but I am extremely grateful for what he did the first go around.

cval · Post by **cval** » November 26th, 2020, 10:20 am

El Sapo wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 1:10 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 12:30 pm

El Sapo wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 12:28 pm

swordsman1989 wrote: ↑
November 23rd, 2020, 4:23 pm
Has there been any real information as to what happened? Two years ago USU was a top 25 team on the way to an 11 win season. Last year at this time the Aggies were finishing another winning regular season, anticipating another bowl bid and being led by the coach who had built a winning program with a first round draft pick at QB. Now the program is winless, effectively rudderless, and players and coaches are looking for the exits. What did Gary do to this program?! Does anyone really know what was happening in the Laub building? Has Gary said anything to anyone since leaving? Has any player come out and talked about what was happening? There is a lot of smoke, and the foundation seems to be collapsing, and nobody really seems to know how or why it happened. Nothing about this epic collapse makes any sense.
I've been asking the same thing since the Boise game. We need insider info. A couple of posters have talked about a split among the coaching staff. Over what? Clearly the communication was broken between position coaches and those position coaches, players and GA on both sides of the ball. Total FUBAR situation. Very evident on the field. Looked like it improved slightly when GA left. Or, was that because the OC and his assistant were sidelined? Incredible that it actually got to this point. GA allowed things to become so broken that we lose our HC, (and probably as a result the entire coaching staff). We lose Henry C., Shelley, Thompkins, and probably many more players..... Our best players don't want to play for these coaches. What does that tell you about who we'll hire to replace GA?

This is a total rebuild, and it's going to take 3-4 years for us to be competitive again.
Yeah I agree it is a much bigger rebuild than many people on here want to believe it is. There was much more promise on the 2008 USU team that went 3-9 and got Brent Guy fired with Wagner, Turbin, etc. .. And it wasn't until 2011 that we had a winning season. From what we have seen now, it will probably be around 2023 before we have a winning team again and that will be if our coach really knows what he is doing.
GA was underproductive as a HC. He had a really loaded roster and got outcoached way too many times during his first stint here. We made a mistake looking at past performance instead of our future when we re-hired him. I still trust Hartwell to find another Craig Smith double AA personality type guy.

Believe it or not, a young John Madden was on his way to Logan at one time. We can find a great coach. We need a clean sweep (flush) of this entire coaching staff, and the HC candidates we interview shouldn't need to have manure on their boots or a Book of Mormon in their luggage.

Nor should the things you mention be disqualifying. Experience with the Utah culture is not the only important criteria, but it does play a role and should not be ignored or shrugged off.

El Sapo · Post by **El Sapo** » November 26th, 2020, 10:58 am

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 3:57 pm

El Sapo wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 3:30 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 3:08 pm

El Sapo wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 1:10 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 12:30 pm

El Sapo wrote: ↑
November 24th, 2020, 12:28 pm

swordsman1989 wrote: ↑
November 23rd, 2020, 4:23 pm
Has there been any real information as to what happened? Two years ago USU was a top 25 team on the way to an 11 win season. Last year at this time the Aggies were finishing another winning regular season, anticipating another bowl bid and being led by the coach who had built a winning program with a first round draft pick at QB. Now the program is winless, effectively rudderless, and players and coaches are looking for the exits. What did Gary do to this program?! Does anyone really know what was happening in the Laub building? Has Gary said anything to anyone since leaving? Has any player come out and talked about what was happening? There is a lot of smoke, and the foundation seems to be collapsing, and nobody really seems to know how or why it happened. Nothing about this epic collapse makes any sense.
I've been asking the same thing since the Boise game. We need insider info. A couple of posters have talked about a split among the coaching staff. Over what? Clearly the communication was broken between position coaches and those position coaches, players and GA on both sides of the ball. Total FUBAR situation. Very evident on the field. Looked like it improved slightly when GA left. Or, was that because the OC and his assistant were sidelined? Incredible that it actually got to this point. GA allowed things to become so broken that we lose our HC, (and probably as a result the entire coaching staff). We lose Henry C., Shelley, Thompkins, and probably many more players..... Our best players don't want to play for these coaches. What does that tell you about who we'll hire to replace GA?

This is a total rebuild, and it's going to take 3-4 years for us to be competitive again.

Yeah I agree it is a much bigger rebuild than many people on here want to believe it is. There was much more promise on the 2008 USU team that went 3-9 and got Brent Guy fired with Wagner, Turbin, etc. .. And it wasn't until 2011 that we had a winning season. From what we have seen now, it will probably be around 2023 before we have a winning team again and that will be if our coach really knows what he is doing.
GA was underproductive as a HC. He had a really loaded roster and got outcoached way too many times during his first stint here. We made a mistake looking at past performance instead of our future when we re-hired him. I still trust Hartwell to find another Craig Smith double AA personality type guy.

Believe it or not, a young John Madden was on his way to Logan at one time. We can find a great coach. We need a clean sweep (flush) of this entire coaching staff, and the HC candidates we interview shouldn't need to have manure on their boots or a Book of Mormon in their luggage.
Gary 2.0 was a disaster, but to say GA 1.0 was unproductive as head coach is ludicrous. GA 1.0 was competitive in almost of all of his games. What he did with the program was quite frankly a miracle. By the time he left that team was literally a top 25 team. Considering the prior 30 years of the program he was fantastic his first go around.
It's 2 separate things. Underproductive as a coach on the field -vs- building a program.

GA was a bad game day coach. But, he built a great program. He was a great program builder. It's all credit (and blame) to him. He could have had better coaches around him, he could have made better decisions, but when you say he was competitive? It's competitive you use to describe GA 1.0 because he didn't win those games that would have made him a "winner."
He for sure could have won some of those games that he was just competitive in, but I would consider GA 1.0 a winner. Look at his last year, an 11-2 record is fantastic. Follow that up with the team that he left it was fantastic. We obviously disagree if he was a winner on not which is fine, but I am extremely grateful for what he did the first go around.

Great point. I didn't remember GA getting to 11-2. That is big time. That was the year we would have gone to the Orange Bowl if we could have made a 30? yard field goal v Wisconsin.

I hate to even go there. It's still painful. Special teams debacles....... Auburn, Colorado State, Wisconsin.

GrandPoubah · Post by **GrandPoubah** » November 26th, 2020, 11:03 am

Yea - I suspect if we watch today’s game, we will find a player or two missing even though they haven’t hit the transfer portal. It’s just a matter of time.

The coaches split...it was convenient that they had to quarantine just after Gary’s announcement. It’s all rotten. Clean the house and get some competitors in here who want to play. Too many of these highly rated freshman aren’t playing yet. Give them a shot to get better.

El Sapo · Post by **El Sapo** » November 26th, 2020, 11:49 am

GrandPoubah wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2020, 11:03 am
Yea - I suspect if we watch today’s game, we will find a player or two missing even though they haven’t hit the transfer portal. It’s just a matter of time.

The coaches split...it was convenient that they had to quarantine just after Gary’s announcement. It’s all rotten. Clean the house and get some competitors in here who want to play. Too many of these highly rated freshman aren’t playing yet. Give them a shot to get better.

Exactly. That should have happened v Fresno.

After GA left, Hartwell should have acted to insure that the interim coaches could "do no harm" to the program. At least try to keep some of our assets around for the next staff.

taniataylor · Post by **taniataylor** » November 26th, 2020, 1:27 pm

El Sapo wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2020, 11:49 am

GrandPoubah wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2020, 11:03 am
Yea - I suspect if we watch today’s game, we will find a player or two missing even though they haven’t hit the transfer portal. It’s just a matter of time.

The coaches split...it was convenient that they had to quarantine just after Gary’s announcement. It’s all rotten. Clean the house and get some competitors in here who want to play. Too many of these highly rated freshman aren’t playing yet. Give them a shot to get better.
Exactly. That should have happened v Wyoming.

After GA left, Hartwell should have acted to insure that the interim coaches could "do no harm" to the program. At least try to keep some of our assets around for the next staff.

Or Coaches out due to “extended covid” issues....that may really not be back....

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