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Post by AKAggie03 » November 21st, 2020, 9:00 am

I have the same sentiment as many fans currently in that this is going to take years for us to recover from.

Not looking forward to being in the espn bottom 10 list for the next couple years.


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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by Madmartigan » November 21st, 2020, 9:14 am

AKAggie03 wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 9:00 am
I have the same sentiment as many fans currently in that this is going to take years for us to recover from.

Not looking forward to being in the espn bottom 10 list for the next couple years.
We thought the same after Duryea left. I'm more bullish on a quick turnaround.
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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by GUS » November 21st, 2020, 9:25 am

Much easier to turn a basketball program around quickly than a football program.



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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by aggies22 » November 21st, 2020, 9:45 am

AKAggie03 wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 9:00 am
I have the same sentiment as many fans currently in that this is going to take years for us to recover from.

Not looking forward to being in the espn bottom 10 list for the next couple years.
It may not be as be as difficult as it could have been if the one time transfer immediate eligibility rule passes in January as expected. If we get the right hire with the right connections we could fill the roster back pretty quickly with the amount of immediate playing time we have to offer.
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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by brownjeans » November 21st, 2020, 9:47 am

I'm not worried. I think we'll win 7+ games and be back in a bowl game in 2022
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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by GameFAQSAggie » November 21st, 2020, 9:57 am

aggies22 wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 9:45 am
AKAggie03 wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 9:00 am
I have the same sentiment as many fans currently in that this is going to take years for us to recover from.

Not looking forward to being in the espn bottom 10 list for the next couple years.
It may not be as be as difficult as it could have been if the one time transfer immediate eligibility rule passes in January as expected. If we get the right hire with the right connections we could fill the roster back pretty quickly with the amount of immediate playing time we have to offer.
One thing you have to wonder is if the rule change helps us more than it hurts us, if we will gain players being able to leave other programs better than the ones we lose cause they can leave us.



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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by aggies22 » November 21st, 2020, 9:58 am

GameFAQSAggie wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 9:57 am
aggies22 wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 9:45 am
AKAggie03 wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 9:00 am
I have the same sentiment as many fans currently in that this is going to take years for us to recover from.

Not looking forward to being in the espn bottom 10 list for the next couple years.
It may not be as be as difficult as it could have been if the one time transfer immediate eligibility rule passes in January as expected. If we get the right hire with the right connections we could fill the roster back pretty quickly with the amount of immediate playing time we have to offer.
One thing you have to wonder is if the rule change helps us more than it hurts us, if we will gain players being able to leave other programs better than the ones we lose cause they can leave us.
As with any program that is a very real possibility.
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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » November 21st, 2020, 10:00 am

brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 9:47 am
I'm not worried. I think we'll win 7+ games and be back in a bowl game in 2022
I'd love for you guys to be right, but I just don't see the talent on the team that is going to turn it around soon. We are every bit as bad as our record. It will take great coaching and great recruiting to make us winners again. Basketball is a much different animal and we already had sam Merrill in the program.



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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by TheBigSilk » November 21st, 2020, 10:24 am

Basketball is easier to turn around. You need 2-3 solid players that buy into a system. We may need a specialty approach on offense like a wildcat/pistol or spread/RPO to make up for young unproven talent to put points on the board.

Best case is a 7 win season in 2022 after a 4 win rebuild in 2021(2 cupcakes w/NDSU, and NMST).



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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by brownjeans » November 21st, 2020, 12:48 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 10:00 am
brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 9:47 am
I'm not worried. I think we'll win 7+ games and be back in a bowl game in 2022
I'd love for you guys to be right, but I just don't see the talent on the team that is going to turn it around soon. We are every bit as bad as our record. It will take great coaching and great recruiting to make us winners again. Basketball is a much different animal and we already had sam Merrill in the program.
Our talent is better than our play. Football is the ultimate team sport. Talent alone doesn't make a good team. We've been divided in lots of ways. We got to come together.
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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » November 21st, 2020, 12:55 pm

brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 12:48 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 10:00 am
brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 9:47 am
I'm not worried. I think we'll win 7+ games and be back in a bowl game in 2022
I'd love for you guys to be right, but I just don't see the talent on the team that is going to turn it around soon. We are every bit as bad as our record. It will take great coaching and great recruiting to make us winners again. Basketball is a much different animal and we already had sam Merrill in the program.
Our talent is better than our play. Football is the ultimate team sport. Talent alone doesn't make a good team. We've been divided in lots of ways. We got to come together.
There have been other issues for sure, but I'm just not seeing a talented team that can win at a high level. Sure with great coaching we improve next year, but a winning season from this will be a tough ask. We are very far from being a 7 win team.



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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by ratofallaggies » November 21st, 2020, 1:05 pm

Get the right coach and it doesn’t matter
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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by AggieSkiBum » November 21st, 2020, 1:18 pm

I agree that the talent may be better, or at least have better potential than the record indicates. The schedule so far has been tough. There haven't been many flashes of brilliance to focus on, but I think the third quarter at Boise was one. Our guys came out and won that third quarter. They then promptly got blown off the field in the 4th lol, but it was something ...

Moving forward, with the right coach, anything is possible. Never count out a bunch of rowdy misfits with nothing to lose ... that's why I love being an Aggie.
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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by AggieUprising50 » November 21st, 2020, 1:41 pm

I’m optimistic about the rebuild, especially if we get the right coach.

Not only will we benefit off incoming transfers, but I think returning 4-5 starting O-linemen with a full offseason to improve will pay off.

Just got to get the right coach.
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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by brownjeans » November 21st, 2020, 2:33 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 12:55 pm
brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 12:48 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 10:00 am
brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 9:47 am
I'm not worried. I think we'll win 7+ games and be back in a bowl game in 2022
I'd love for you guys to be right, but I just don't see the talent on the team that is going to turn it around soon. We are every bit as bad as our record. It will take great coaching and great recruiting to make us winners again. Basketball is a much different animal and we already had sam Merrill in the program.
Our talent is better than our play. Football is the ultimate team sport. Talent alone doesn't make a good team. We've been divided in lots of ways. We got to come together.
There have been other issues for sure, but I'm just not seeing a talented team that can win at a high level. Sure with great coaching we improve next year, but a winning season from this will be a tough ask. We are very far from being a 7 win team.
We likely won't have a winning team next season, but with a good hire we will in 2022. But hey, don't let me keep you from embracing the darkness. I enjoy an occasional wallow in doom and gloom. Drink it in. Savor all the experiences of life.



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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » November 21st, 2020, 2:38 pm

brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 2:33 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 12:55 pm
brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 12:48 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 10:00 am
brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 9:47 am
I'm not worried. I think we'll win 7+ games and be back in a bowl game in 2022
I'd love for you guys to be right, but I just don't see the talent on the team that is going to turn it around soon. We are every bit as bad as our record. It will take great coaching and great recruiting to make us winners again. Basketball is a much different animal and we already had sam Merrill in the program.
Our talent is better than our play. Football is the ultimate team sport. Talent alone doesn't make a good team. We've been divided in lots of ways. We got to come together.
There have been other issues for sure, but I'm just not seeing a talented team that can win at a high level. Sure with great coaching we improve next year, but a winning season from this will be a tough ask. We are very far from being a 7 win team.
We likely won't have a winning team next season, but with a good hire we will in 2022. But hey, don't let me keep you from embracing the darkness. I enjoy an occasional wallow in doom and gloom. Drink it in. Savor all the experiences of life.
Thank you. I am definitely wallowing in doom and gloom this year as an Aggie football fan. I won't even try and deny it.
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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by newhouse9 » November 21st, 2020, 6:54 pm

I'm hopeful we can get beyond this Covid so we can attend the games. I'm really curious to see if our fan base will support the new staff and our players. It's going to be a rebuild, so we'll see who's up for the challenge.
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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by Aggie84025 » November 21st, 2020, 7:33 pm

newhouse9 wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 6:54 pm
I'm hopeful we can get beyond this Covid so we can attend the games. I'm really curious to see if our fan base will support the new staff and our players. It's going to be a rebuild, so we'll see who's up for the challenge.
I am interested in that as well. I for sure am up to the challenge and will be there supporting.



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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by CrazyAg » November 22nd, 2020, 12:54 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 2:38 pm
brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 2:33 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 12:55 pm
brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 12:48 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 10:00 am
brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 9:47 am
I'm not worried. I think we'll win 7+ games and be back in a bowl game in 2022
I'd love for you guys to be right, but I just don't see the talent on the team that is going to turn it around soon. We are every bit as bad as our record. It will take great coaching and great recruiting to make us winners again. Basketball is a much different animal and we already had sam Merrill in the program.
Our talent is better than our play. Football is the ultimate team sport. Talent alone doesn't make a good team. We've been divided in lots of ways. We got to come together.
There have been other issues for sure, but I'm just not seeing a talented team that can win at a high level. Sure with great coaching we improve next year, but a winning season from this will be a tough ask. We are very far from being a 7 win team.
We likely won't have a winning team next season, but with a good hire we will in 2022. But hey, don't let me keep you from embracing the darkness. I enjoy an occasional wallow in doom and gloom. Drink it in. Savor all the experiences of life.
Thank you. I am definitely wallowing in doom and gloom this year as an Aggie football fan. I won't even try and deny it.
Well if you're a younger fan an not used to doom and gloom, you are lucky. It has been the norm for a long time before this past decade. We will be down for probably 3 years. 1 to try and compete, 1 to actually compete, 1 to win a few of those games we compete in. We are in for a long haul.



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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by ArizonaAggie » November 22nd, 2020, 1:08 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 2:33 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 12:55 pm
brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 12:48 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 10:00 am
brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 9:47 am
I'm not worried. I think we'll win 7+ games and be back in a bowl game in 2022
I'd love for you guys to be right, but I just don't see the talent on the team that is going to turn it around soon. We are every bit as bad as our record. It will take great coaching and great recruiting to make us winners again. Basketball is a much different animal and we already had sam Merrill in the program.
Our talent is better than our play. Football is the ultimate team sport. Talent alone doesn't make a good team. We've been divided in lots of ways. We got to come together.
There have been other issues for sure, but I'm just not seeing a talented team that can win at a high level. Sure with great coaching we improve next year, but a winning season from this will be a tough ask. We are very far from being a 7 win team.
We likely won't have a winning team next season, but with a good hire we will in 2022. But hey, don't let me keep you from embracing the darkness. I enjoy an occasional wallow in doom and gloom. Drink it in. Savor all the experiences of life.
Thank you. I am definitely wallowing in doom and gloom this year as an Aggie football fan. I won't even try and deny it.
The cupboard isn't bare but you could say 50 positive things to certain players on this roster and 1 Negative thing and they'll focus on the one Negative. I realize that is human nature and there isn't a whole lot of positive energy. My point is there is still skill but they need leadership.

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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by aggies22 » November 22nd, 2020, 1:19 pm

newhouse9 wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 6:54 pm
I'm hopeful we can get beyond this Covid so we can attend the games. I'm really curious to see if our fan base will support the new staff and our players. It's going to be a rebuild, so we'll see who's up for the challenge.
I guarantee I'll be there!



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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by Aggie84025 » November 22nd, 2020, 1:32 pm

ArizonaAggie wrote:
November 22nd, 2020, 1:08 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 2:33 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 12:55 pm
brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 12:48 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 10:00 am
brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 9:47 am
I'm not worried. I think we'll win 7+ games and be back in a bowl game in 2022
I'd love for you guys to be right, but I just don't see the talent on the team that is going to turn it around soon. We are every bit as bad as our record. It will take great coaching and great recruiting to make us winners again. Basketball is a much different animal and we already had sam Merrill in the program.
Our talent is better than our play. Football is the ultimate team sport. Talent alone doesn't make a good team. We've been divided in lots of ways. We got to come together.
There have been other issues for sure, but I'm just not seeing a talented team that can win at a high level. Sure with great coaching we improve next year, but a winning season from this will be a tough ask. We are very far from being a 7 win team.
We likely won't have a winning team next season, but with a good hire we will in 2022. But hey, don't let me keep you from embracing the darkness. I enjoy an occasional wallow in doom and gloom. Drink it in. Savor all the experiences of life.
Thank you. I am definitely wallowing in doom and gloom this year as an Aggie football fan. I won't even try and deny it.
The cupboard isn't bare but you could say 50 positive things to certain players on this roster and 1 Negative thing and they'll focus on the one Negative. I realize that is human nature and there isn't a whole lot of positive energy. My point is there is still skill but they need leadership.

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We need a good leader and motivator. We have some good pieces in place.



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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by bluegrouse » November 22nd, 2020, 1:52 pm

I think we are going to see a significant reduction in fans attending games in every sport at every level. It was already trending that direction and this forced break will reveal to many more fans that they can live just fine without them.

Hope I’m wrong.



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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » November 22nd, 2020, 2:33 pm

CrazyAg wrote:
November 22nd, 2020, 12:54 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 2:38 pm
brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 2:33 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 12:55 pm
brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 12:48 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 10:00 am
brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 9:47 am
I'm not worried. I think we'll win 7+ games and be back in a bowl game in 2022
I'd love for you guys to be right, but I just don't see the talent on the team that is going to turn it around soon. We are every bit as bad as our record. It will take great coaching and great recruiting to make us winners again. Basketball is a much different animal and we already had sam Merrill in the program.
Our talent is better than our play. Football is the ultimate team sport. Talent alone doesn't make a good team. We've been divided in lots of ways. We got to come together.
There have been other issues for sure, but I'm just not seeing a talented team that can win at a high level. Sure with great coaching we improve next year, but a winning season from this will be a tough ask. We are very far from being a 7 win team.
We likely won't have a winning team next season, but with a good hire we will in 2022. But hey, don't let me keep you from embracing the darkness. I enjoy an occasional wallow in doom and gloom. Drink it in. Savor all the experiences of life.
Thank you. I am definitely wallowing in doom and gloom this year as an Aggie football fan. I won't even try and deny it.
Well if you're a younger fan an not used to doom and gloom, you are lucky. It has been the norm for a long time before this past decade. We will be down for probably 3 years. 1 to try and compete, 1 to actually compete, 1 to win a few of those games we compete in. We are in for a long haul.
I'm not that young. I was at almost every football game from 2001-2010. I saw a lot of bad Aggie football. What I have seen through 4 games this year is not promising. It doesn't lead me to believe we will have a quick turnaround. Obviously I'd love to be wrong.



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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by NavyBlueAggie » November 22nd, 2020, 3:10 pm

brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 12:48 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 10:00 am
brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 9:47 am
I'm not worried. I think we'll win 7+ games and be back in a bowl game in 2022
I'd love for you guys to be right, but I just don't see the talent on the team that is going to turn it around soon. We are every bit as bad as our record. It will take great coaching and great recruiting to make us winners again. Basketball is a much different animal and we already had sam Merrill in the program.
Our talent is better than our play. Football is the ultimate team sport. Talent alone doesn't make a good team. We've been divided in lots of ways. We got to come together.
Yes, our talent is much better than our play. Football is the ultimate team sport and talent by itself isn't always the solution. Team play, proper off season training, individual player to program commitment with coaching technique, game planning and real time adjustments are essential to success.
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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by StanfordAggie » November 22nd, 2020, 4:27 pm

TheBigSilk wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 10:24 am
Best case is a 7 win season in 2022 after a 4 win rebuild in 2021(2 cupcakes w/NDSU, and NMST).
To be clear, we are playing North Dakota in 2021, not North Dakota State, right? Because if we are playing NDSU, that is not a cupcake by any means. That would probably be our toughest game of the year (and I say that knowing that we have Washington State and Boise on the schedule). NDSU has absolutely dominated FCS over the past decade or so (and have beaten some ranked FBS opponents during that time). They would be a consistent top-25 team if they played FBS, IMHO.



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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by Intermeddler » November 22nd, 2020, 4:57 pm

bluegrouse wrote:
November 22nd, 2020, 1:52 pm
I think we are going to see a significant reduction in fans attending games in every sport at every level. It was already trending that direction and this forced break will reveal to many more fans that they can live just fine without them.

Hope I’m wrong.
I see it just the opposite. People will be so desperate for events like that again you’ll see an enthusiasm for the games for awhile.
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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by bluegrouse » November 22nd, 2020, 7:16 pm

Intermeddler wrote:
November 22nd, 2020, 4:57 pm
bluegrouse wrote:
November 22nd, 2020, 1:52 pm
I think we are going to see a significant reduction in fans attending games in every sport at every level. It was already trending that direction and this forced break will reveal to many more fans that they can live just fine without them.

Hope I’m wrong.
I see it just the opposite. People will be so desperate for events like that again you’ll see an enthusiasm for the games for awhile.
I really do hope you're right.



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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by Full » November 23rd, 2020, 8:56 am

brownjeans wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 9:47 am
I'm not worried. I think we'll win 7+ games and be back in a bowl game in 2022
I agree. The 2022 schedule sets up nicely for bowl eligibility (subject to change).

@ Alabama
vs. Air Force
@ Boise State
@ BYU
@ Colorado State
@ Hawaii
vs. New Mexico
vs. San Jose State
vs. UCONN
vs. UNLV
vs. Weber State
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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by RigAggie » November 23rd, 2020, 9:50 am

I trust Hartwell to find a great coaching hire. Let's compare basketball. We had packed arena's under Stew's careful watch, but it started to trend downward with losing seasons. Then we hired Duryea, and the attendance was pitiful. It only took Smith 1 year to bring the spectrum magic back. I believe the right coach will turn the football program around in 1-2 years if we get the right guy. I know football is different, but the right attitude and confidence will translate to a winning program.
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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by ViAggie » November 23rd, 2020, 9:57 am

Maybe we should hire CS to coach the FB team too? Just double his salary, and BAM! Problem solved!


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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by aggies22 » November 23rd, 2020, 10:04 am

ViAggie wrote:
November 23rd, 2020, 9:57 am
Maybe we should hire CS to coach the FB team too? Just double his salary, and BAM! Problem solved!
But can he pull double duty on Thursday??



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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by slcagg » November 23rd, 2020, 10:06 am

aggies22 wrote:
November 23rd, 2020, 10:04 am
ViAggie wrote:
November 23rd, 2020, 9:57 am
Maybe we should hire CS to coach the FB team too? Just double his salary, and BAM! Problem solved!
But can he pull double duty on Thursday??
I’m pulling a double effort in turkey. Craig can do the same for football.
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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by tipitup » November 23rd, 2020, 10:10 am

slcagg wrote:
November 23rd, 2020, 10:06 am
aggies22 wrote:
November 23rd, 2020, 10:04 am
ViAggie wrote:
November 23rd, 2020, 9:57 am
Maybe we should hire CS to coach the FB team too? Just double his salary, and BAM! Problem solved!
But can he pull double duty on Thursday??
I’m pulling a double effort in turkey. Craig can do the same for football.
turkey the bird or Turkey the country?? big difference!
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Re: Damage to the state of the program

Post by swordsman1989 » November 23rd, 2020, 4:23 pm

Has there been any real information as to what happened? Two years ago USU was a top 25 team on the way to an 11 win season. Last year at this time the Aggies were finishing another winning regular season, anticipating another bowl bid and being led by the coach who had built a winning program with a first round draft pick at QB. Now the program is winless, effectively rudderless, and players and coaches are looking for the exits. What did Gary do to this program?! Does anyone really know what was happening in the Laub building? Has Gary said anything to anyone since leaving? Has any player come out and talked about what was happening? There is a lot of smoke, and the foundation seems to be collapsing, and nobody really seems to know how or why it happened. Nothing about this epic collapse makes any sense.
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