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Re: Coaching Candidates

Post by jeffdan25 » November 9th, 2020, 8:10 pm

Aggie84025 wrote:
November 9th, 2020, 7:50 pm
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November 9th, 2020, 9:04 am
2004AG wrote:
November 9th, 2020, 8:45 am
taniataylor wrote:Why cant Coach Maile be chosen? I dont understand.
Because he stands there like a bump on a log on the sidelines.

I know a Utah high school coach very well that Frank recruits at and he says he has no personality, zero charisma. Frank is about worst case scenario.


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Is this a sarcastic comment? Frank has been one of the best recruiters we have had at USU along with Stacey Collins. I know several former and current players, their favorite coach is Frank. Also to the comments that he shouldn't be the head coach because he hasn't been hugely successful as a coordinator is ridiculous! That has zero baring on weather or not someone will be a successful head coach.
I love Frank, but to say that being successful as coordinator is not a prerequisite of getting a head coach is a little out of line. Not saying Frank would not be successful, but if Hartwell hired a coordinator from another program that was not successful in his current role this board would sh$$ their pants. I trust Hartwell will make the right decision in my opinion Frank is not that man. That being said if Frank went 3-2 in the rest of the games my opinion would change.
I’m not saying frank is either of these guys, but the two best coaches in all of college football were not good coordinators. Nick Saban was a coordinator for the Browns but not a good one and Dabo Swinney was a WR coach never a coordinator. My point is just because he is not an amazing coordinator does not mean he wouldn’t be a good head coach.
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Post by JonnyCienPesos » November 9th, 2020, 8:22 pm

GameFAQSAggie wrote:
Imakeitrain wrote:
November 9th, 2020, 7:45 pm
Curt Cignetti - Head Coach @ JMU.

Coached with Saban at Alabama also spent time @ NC State and Pitt too. Has had success everywhere he has been.

Recruited: Russell Wilson, Dont'a Hightower
Coached: Phillip Rivers, Julio Jones

https://jmusports.com/sports/football/r ... netti/2935

JMU is a power house team in the FCS. They used to play the Grizz for the FCS NC, and now they play NDSU.

else:

Jay Hill...

Unless we're willing to pay up to the tune of 1.3-1.7 for talent- we aren't going to get the up and coming coordinators. Cignetti would be the best FCS coach we could get.
If we hired Cignetti, he would have a goal to give Nick Saban his first blemish against his former assistants, which would then be talked about leading up to EVERY meeting against Georgia and Ole Miss. More likely, he would add another one to his win column in that category.
Yep. Anyone else would have a goal to lose that game. He’s our man.


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Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » November 9th, 2020, 8:35 pm

JonnyCienPesos wrote:
November 9th, 2020, 8:22 pm
GameFAQSAggie wrote:
Imakeitrain wrote:
November 9th, 2020, 7:45 pm
Curt Cignetti - Head Coach @ JMU.

Coached with Saban at Alabama also spent time @ NC State and Pitt too. Has had success everywhere he has been.

Recruited: Russell Wilson, Dont'a Hightower
Coached: Phillip Rivers, Julio Jones

https://jmusports.com/sports/football/r ... netti/2935

JMU is a power house team in the FCS. They used to play the Grizz for the FCS NC, and now they play NDSU.

else:

Jay Hill...

Unless we're willing to pay up to the tune of 1.3-1.7 for talent- we aren't going to get the up and coming coordinators. Cignetti would be the best FCS coach we could get.
If we hired Cignetti, he would have a goal to give Nick Saban his first blemish against his former assistants, which would then be talked about leading up to EVERY meeting against Georgia and Ole Miss. More likely, he would add another one to his win column in that category.
Yep. Anyone else would have a goal to lose that game. He’s out man.


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Re: Coaching Candidates

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » November 9th, 2020, 8:38 pm

Imakeitrain wrote:
November 9th, 2020, 8:08 pm
Everyone really likes Maile. I've never heard a bad thing about him. However, it needs to be a business decision.

If it weren't for Tipa, Jordan Love and Woodward- we'd have had some very bad teams. (That's not to say that there weren't and aren't good players apart from those 3- there are several)

If Maile is the best person for the job, then he should get the job. But I really think the best person for the job is someone who is currently a successful head coach- and that is likely to be an FCS coach. Entz, Hill, Cignetti. (No to Hauk for obvious reasons)
Maile isn't the best person for the job. Let's not make the same mistake twice. Many of us knew Gary wasn't going to work out (Hartwell probably included) yet we made that mistake. Can't set back the program with another underwhelming hire.
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Post by KissMyAg » November 10th, 2020, 12:29 am

Given Hartwell’s comments about “going national for the search”, “there was so many national candidates before” and “this HC just need to know the conference” I’m thinking he is not going to hire Jay Hill. As a Utah message board poster said, “if USU doesn’t go with Hill they are idiots”



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Post by Intermeddler » November 10th, 2020, 1:06 am

Hmmm long time assistant, everyone likes him, loves the school, assistant during a decline in the program, players love him....

Are we talking about frank or duryea?

Hiring an assistant from a failed staff is almost always a bad idea. Aside from dabo I can’t think of a time it worked out. The program needs some outside energy and someone ambitious.
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Post by MWCFAN12 » November 10th, 2020, 1:13 am

No one has sold me on Jay Hill. In fact the best point was Aggies22 saying ground and pound won't work here. Which he is right. We will never be able to be that team.

My list in no order

1. Spread offense ( I think this is the right offense for our lot in life )
2. Recruiting ties to Texas and Florida ( team speed )
3. Run a clean program
4. Treat the kids good. ( yes they are kids )
5. Build a team with mostly 4 / 5 year kids. Limit transfers and Juco to dire need.
6 Clear / clean plan for recruitment
7. A top notch / strength and conditioning coach. ( I feel we slipped here )


Secondary nice but not a must
8. Understand Utah and the LDS thing
9. Run a 3/4 and get back to having great lbs and dbs.
10. Ties in the west for recruitment.
11. Be great with with donors ( AD's job but a HC that is good at this helps )


I am sure I missed a few but that is the direction I would want to go.



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Post by MWCFAN12 » November 10th, 2020, 1:14 am

Intermeddler wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 1:06 am
Hmmm long time assistant, everyone likes him, loves the school, assistant during a decline in the program, players love him....

Are we talking about frank or duryea?

Hiring an assistant from a failed staff is almost always a bad idea. Aside from dabo I can’t think of a time it worked out. The program needs some outside energy and someone ambitious.
SJSU hired a WR coach from Oregon State 4 years ago.
LSU hired a guy fired by old miss and USC
Miami hired a guy who was fired at Texas for giving up 500 yards rushing to BYU
SDSU hired a guy fired at Michigan
Ole Miss hired at fired by the Raiders, USC


And if we could get Sark here I would take him in a heart beat. ( fired by USC )



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Post by Intermeddler » November 10th, 2020, 1:53 am

MWCFAN12 wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 1:14 am
Intermeddler wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 1:06 am
Hmmm long time assistant, everyone likes him, loves the school, assistant during a decline in the program, players love him....

Are we talking about frank or duryea?

Hiring an assistant from a failed staff is almost always a bad idea. Aside from dabo I can’t think of a time it worked out. The program needs some outside energy and someone ambitious.
SJSU hired a WR coach from Oregon State 4 years ago.
LSU hired a guy fired by old miss and USC
Miami hired a guy who was fired at Texas for giving up 500 yards rushing to BYU
SDSU hired a guy fired at Michigan
Ole Miss hired at fired by the Raiders, USC


And if we could get Sark here I would take him in a heart beat. ( fired by USC )
You’re missing my point. It’s not that a fired coach should never be hired it’s that elevating an assistant off of the staff of the coach you just fired is almost always a terrible idea. How many of those guys were coaching at the school that hired them after their head coach was fired?

Elevating a current assistant from a failed staff is a bad idea. You’ve named coaches that failed elsewhere and got hired somewhere else. I don’t expect a pristine record but someone new is needed.
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Post by slcagg » November 10th, 2020, 6:01 am

MWCFAN12 wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 1:13 am
No one has sold me on Jay Hill. In fact the best point was Aggies22 saying ground and pound won't work here. Which he is right. We will never be able to be that team.

My list in no order

1. Spread offense ( I think this is the right offense for our lot in life )
2. Recruiting ties to Texas and Florida ( team speed )
3. Run a clean program
4. Treat the kids good. ( yes they are kids )
5. Build a team with mostly 4 / 5 year kids. Limit transfers and Juco to dire need.
6 Clear / clean plan for recruitment
7. A top notch / strength and conditioning coach. ( I feel we slipped here )


Secondary nice but not a must
8. Understand Utah and the LDS thing
9. Run a 3/4 and get back to having great lbs and dbs.
10. Ties in the west for recruitment.
11. Be great with with donors ( AD's job but a HC that is good at this helps )


I am sure I missed a few but that is the direction I would want to go.
Wyoming is ground and pound since bohl came there and they have done fine. If they can do it I don’t know why we can’t. I’m not pro that offense or another, just think the right coach could make it work.



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Re: Coaching Candidates

Post by aggies22 » November 10th, 2020, 7:14 am

slcagg wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 6:01 am
MWCFAN12 wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 1:13 am
No one has sold me on Jay Hill. In fact the best point was Aggies22 saying ground and pound won't work here. Which he is right. We will never be able to be that team.

My list in no order

1. Spread offense ( I think this is the right offense for our lot in life )
2. Recruiting ties to Texas and Florida ( team speed )
3. Run a clean program
4. Treat the kids good. ( yes they are kids )
5. Build a team with mostly 4 / 5 year kids. Limit transfers and Juco to dire need.
6 Clear / clean plan for recruitment
7. A top notch / strength and conditioning coach. ( I feel we slipped here )


Secondary nice but not a must
8. Understand Utah and the LDS thing
9. Run a 3/4 and get back to having great lbs and dbs.
10. Ties in the west for recruitment.
11. Be great with with donors ( AD's job but a HC that is good at this helps )


I am sure I missed a few but that is the direction I would want to go.
Wyoming is ground and pound since bohl came there and they have done fine. If they can do it I don’t know why we can’t. I’m not pro that offense or another, just think the right coach could make it work.
My counter point to that would be that they managed to assemble a top flight defense to make that work. Very few shootouts are won there. Right now we are no where near having a top flight defense and it might take too long for a new coach to put one together.



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Post by aggies22 » November 10th, 2020, 7:20 am

I'm all for whoever Hartwell selects. I trust the man 100%.

Let me ask this. Hypothetically speaking, if Coach Maile were to win 4 of the last 5, would that change anyone's mind?
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Post by flying_scotsman2.0 » November 10th, 2020, 7:22 am

aggies22 wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 7:20 am
I'm all for whoever Hartwell selects. I trust the man 100%.

Let me ask this. Hypothetically speaking, if Coach Maile were to win 4 of the last 5, would that change anyone's mind?
If he wins 4 out of the last 5, that means we go to a bowl game, right?

I'd be okay with giving him a 3-year contract or something...
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Post by slcagg » November 10th, 2020, 7:24 am

aggies22 wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 7:14 am
slcagg wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 6:01 am
MWCFAN12 wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 1:13 am
No one has sold me on Jay Hill. In fact the best point was Aggies22 saying ground and pound won't work here. Which he is right. We will never be able to be that team.

My list in no order

1. Spread offense ( I think this is the right offense for our lot in life )
2. Recruiting ties to Texas and Florida ( team speed )
3. Run a clean program
4. Treat the kids good. ( yes they are kids )
5. Build a team with mostly 4 / 5 year kids. Limit transfers and Juco to dire need.
6 Clear / clean plan for recruitment
7. A top notch / strength and conditioning coach. ( I feel we slipped here )


Secondary nice but not a must
8. Understand Utah and the LDS thing
9. Run a 3/4 and get back to having great lbs and dbs.
10. Ties in the west for recruitment.
11. Be great with with donors ( AD's job but a HC that is good at this helps )


I am sure I missed a few but that is the direction I would want to go.
Wyoming is ground and pound since bohl came there and they have done fine. If they can do it I don’t know why we can’t. I’m not pro that offense or another, just think the right coach could make it work.
My counter point to that would be that they managed to assemble a top flight defense to make that work. Very few shootouts are won there. Right now we are no where near having a top flight defense and it might take too long for a new coach to put one together.
That’s a great point. I would love to have a rock solid defense again.
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Post by AngusAg » November 10th, 2020, 7:26 am

aggies22 wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 7:20 am
I'm all for whoever Hartwell selects. I trust the man 100%.

Let me ask this. Hypothetically speaking, if Coach Maile were to win 4 of the last 5, would that change anyone's mind?
I was thinking the exact same thing. If he takes this train wreck and goes 3-2 or better over the next 5 games, one would have to give that strong consideration.
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Post by taniataylor » November 10th, 2020, 7:35 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 7:22 am
aggies22 wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 7:20 am
I'm all for whoever Hartwell selects. I trust the man 100%.

Let me ask this. Hypothetically speaking, if Coach Maile were to win 4 of the last 5, would that change anyone's mind?
[media]If he wins 4 out of the last 5, that means we go to a bowl game, right?[/media]

I'd be okay with giving him a 3-year contract or something...
I believe the boy sd we have to win out to go to a bowl game


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Post by 2004AG » November 10th, 2020, 7:49 am

aggies22 wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 7:20 am
I'm all for whoever Hartwell selects. I trust the man 100%.

Let me ask this. Hypothetically speaking, if Coach Maile were to win 4 of the last 5, would that change anyone's mind?
NO.

I do not want Tim Duryea coaching the football team.



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Post by Sl7vk » November 10th, 2020, 8:10 am

I think it's funny how people draw conclusions/comparisons from past experiences that are totally different than the current circumstances.
This plays out all the time in business. Different people/market/environment, yet you see people go back and tell you it won't work because we tried that 6 years ago. Uggh.....
I don't think it will be Maille, and I don't think he's the guy, but comparing him to Duryea is lazy.

I think Hartwell will hire someone none of us have heard of. I think this board will be universally disappointed.
I think whoever that is will be massively successful.
I fully trust Hartwell to make a great hire.



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Post by 2004AG » November 10th, 2020, 8:20 am

Sl7vk wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 8:10 am
I think it's funny how people draw conclusions/comparisons from past experiences that are totally different than the current circumstances.
This plays out all the time in business. Different people/market/environment, yet you see people go back and tell you it won't work because we tried that 6 years ago. Uggh.....
I don't think it will be Maille, and I don't think he's the guy, but comparing him to Duryea is lazy.

I think Hartwell will hire someone none of us have heard of. I think this board will be universally disappointed.
I think whoever that is will be massively successful.
I fully trust Hartwell to make a great hire.
Lazy?

Frank is a long time assistant on a bad team with zero personality? (Like Duryea)

I mean, obviously they are two completely different people, but don't act like there aren't some similarities.



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Post by Sl7vk » November 10th, 2020, 8:34 am

2004AG wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 8:20 am
Sl7vk wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 8:10 am
I think it's funny how people draw conclusions/comparisons from past experiences that are totally different than the current circumstances.
This plays out all the time in business. Different people/market/environment, yet you see people go back and tell you it won't work because we tried that 6 years ago. Uggh.....
I don't think it will be Maille, and I don't think he's the guy, but comparing him to Duryea is lazy.

I think Hartwell will hire someone none of us have heard of. I think this board will be universally disappointed.
I think whoever that is will be massively successful.
I fully trust Hartwell to make a great hire.
Lazy?

Frank is a long time assistant on a bad team with zero personality? (Like Duryea)

I mean, obviously they are two completely different people, but don't act like there aren't some similarities.
Umm yeah. Two different people, two different sports, two different times, two different coaching transitions, programs in two different places. Yeah, the similarities are there, but the differences far outnumber them. And even if there are similarities, like outcomes are far from guaranteed.



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Post by 2004AG » November 10th, 2020, 8:39 am

Sl7vk wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 8:34 am
2004AG wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 8:20 am
Sl7vk wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 8:10 am
I think it's funny how people draw conclusions/comparisons from past experiences that are totally different than the current circumstances.
This plays out all the time in business. Different people/market/environment, yet you see people go back and tell you it won't work because we tried that 6 years ago. Uggh.....
I don't think it will be Maille, and I don't think he's the guy, but comparing him to Duryea is lazy.

I think Hartwell will hire someone none of us have heard of. I think this board will be universally disappointed.
I think whoever that is will be massively successful.
I fully trust Hartwell to make a great hire.
Lazy?

Frank is a long time assistant on a bad team with zero personality? (Like Duryea)

I mean, obviously they are two completely different people, but don't act like there aren't some similarities.
Umm yeah. Two different people, two different sports, two different times, two different coaching transitions, programs in two different places. Yeah, the similarities are there, but the differences far outnumber them. And even if there are similarities, like outcomes are far from guaranteed.

Well if the criteria is 100% identical people and 100% exact same circumstances, then maybe we could get the board Mod's to just make a board rule that no comparisons are allowed.



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Post by Imakeitrain » November 10th, 2020, 8:40 am

Believe it or not Utah isn't the only place there is football. Utah isn't the center of the football universe and there is no reason we should limit it to in-state, especially in-program. Although Maile should have a chance to make his role permanent- and Jay Hill should have a chance to move up- there are other coaches, there are other programs that could add significant value.
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Post by Aggie84025 » November 10th, 2020, 8:43 am

Based on the press conference, someone asked if Hartwell was leaning towards a defensive coach or an offensive coach. Hartwell mentioned something to the affect that if it were a defensive guy that he would have to show a clear plan of what plans he had for the offense. Based on those comments it looks like he might be leaning towards an offensive guy as head coach. Excited to see who the person is and excited for the staff they will assemble. I feel a lot better about the trajectory of the program today than a couple of weeks ago.

I also hope that Frank does well and the team plays hard and we can somehow manage to a win a game or 2. One thing I am concerned with is with the extra year of eligibility we have very few recruits with this incoming class. I feel like we need to add some talent to this team, hopefully the new coach can get good recruits to come in. With the one time transfer rule maybe we can convince a good QB from another program to come here with the promise of a more realistic shot at playing (one can hope right).



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Post by Aggie84025 » November 10th, 2020, 8:46 am

Imakeitrain wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 8:40 am
Believe it or not Utah isn't the only place there is football. Utah isn't the center of the football universe and there is no reason we should limit it to in-state, especially in-program. Although Maile should have a chance to make his role permanent- and Jay Hill should have a chance to move up- there are other coaches, there are other programs that could add significant value.
Exactly we should not limit ourselves to say they need to have Utah ties to make it work. There are a lot of motivated up and coming coaches that just want the opportunity to prove they themselves and will work tirelessly to make it happen. If Jay Hill ends up being that guy then great, but let's take a look at all the potential impact coaches there are. We may have a shot at some better candidates than most normal coaching searches with the anticipation there may be fewer jobs available this offseason.



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Post by 3rdGenAggie » November 10th, 2020, 9:02 am

MWCFAN12 wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 1:13 am
No one has sold me on Jay Hill. In fact the best point was Aggies22 saying ground and pound won't work here. Which he is right. We will never be able to be that team.

My list in no order

1. Spread offense ( I think this is the right offense for our lot in life )
2. Recruiting ties to Texas and Florida ( team speed )
3. Run a clean program
4. Treat the kids good. ( yes they are kids )
5. Build a team with mostly 4 / 5 year kids. Limit transfers and Juco to dire need.
6 Clear / clean plan for recruitment
7. A top notch / strength and conditioning coach. ( I feel we slipped here )


Secondary nice but not a must
8. Understand Utah and the LDS thing
9. Run a 3/4 and get back to having great lbs and dbs.
10. Ties in the west for recruitment.
11. Be great with with donors ( AD's job but a HC that is good at this helps )


I am sure I missed a few but that is the direction I would want to go.
I agree, but here's the tough thing...you basically just described Gary 1.0.


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Re: Coaching Candidates

Post by jeffdan25 » November 10th, 2020, 9:07 am

To be clear on a couple of my earlier posts, I am not saying that Frank should automatically be the head coach. I think the guy deserves a shot witch he has for the next 5 weeks. I would be 100% cool with a hire from outside of the region and program. The right guy is more important than some ones personal relationship. I was always very skeptical of the Gary retread, but I stayed open minded to the idea he could recreate hos previous success. As long as Hartwell does due diligence this time I believe we will end up with the right guy in the end.



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Re: Coaching Candidates

Post by brian5562 » November 10th, 2020, 9:19 am

Some younger coaches to keep in mind. Charlie Weis Jr., Tommy Rees, Harrison Green, and Corey Dennis.



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Re: Coaching Candidates

Post by hickaggie » November 10th, 2020, 9:21 am

3rdGenAggie wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 9:02 am
MWCFAN12 wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 1:13 am
No one has sold me on Jay Hill. In fact the best point was Aggies22 saying ground and pound won't work here. Which he is right. We will never be able to be that team.

My list in no order

1. Spread offense ( I think this is the right offense for our lot in life )
2. Recruiting ties to Texas and Florida ( team speed )
3. Run a clean program
4. Treat the kids good. ( yes they are kids )
5. Build a team with mostly 4 / 5 year kids. Limit transfers and Juco to dire need.
6 Clear / clean plan for recruitment
7. A top notch / strength and conditioning coach. ( I feel we slipped here )


Secondary nice but not a must
8. Understand Utah and the LDS thing
9. Run a 3/4 and get back to having great lbs and dbs.
10. Ties in the west for recruitment.
11. Be great with with donors ( AD's job but a HC that is good at this helps )


I am sure I missed a few but that is the direction I would want to go.
I agree, but here's the tough thing...you basically just described Gary 1.0.
I disagree that we should look for a certain defensive/offensive criteria. Ground and pound works fine if you have the beef up front and you actually can control the clock while as you develop a defense to complement it. While there are huge holes in our defense currently they have shown a lot of promise and we probably would be relatively satisfied with much of their performance if the offense could stay on the field at all.

Wyoming's coach completely transformed the Cowboys recruiting philosophy from wide open to ground and pound.. He also installed the MW's best 4 man front defense as well over 3-4 years. It took time but he's had pretty steady sucess giving the challenge in Laramie.

I was 1000% wrong about the second Gary hire so I won't say any more about Hartwell's decision. He's earned the respect to take his time and make the right decision but I don't think it comes down to a particular offense or defense. When Gary came the first time in 2009 I never felt like USU could put get good enough D-lineman to compete and believed they would be best off hiring the best high flying offensive coordinator they could to make things exciting at least. I was wrong then too.

I think you hire a coach who has shown versatility to be able to adapt to his personell to start as he recruits for his future philosophy and one who has either shown the ability to be creative and adapt as a coordinator or has shown as a head coach the ability to identify up and coming coordinator talent. But I am going to trust Hartwell on this one.



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Re: Coaching Candidates

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » November 10th, 2020, 9:22 am

2004AG wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 7:49 am
aggies22 wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 7:20 am
I'm all for whoever Hartwell selects. I trust the man 100%.

Let me ask this. Hypothetically speaking, if Coach Maile were to win 4 of the last 5, would that change anyone's mind?
NO.

I do not want Tim Duryea coaching the football team.
Don't worry. As much as I would like it to happen there is about as much chance of us winning 4 of the last 5 games as me hooking up with gal gadot tonight. Maile isnt going to be the coach next year.



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Re: Coaching Candidates

Post by Madmartigan » November 10th, 2020, 9:24 am

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 9:22 am
2004AG wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 7:49 am
aggies22 wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 7:20 am
I'm all for whoever Hartwell selects. I trust the man 100%.

Let me ask this. Hypothetically speaking, if Coach Maile were to win 4 of the last 5, would that change anyone's mind?
NO.

I do not want Tim Duryea coaching the football team.
Don't worry. As much as I would like it to happen there is about as much chance of us winning 4 of the last 5 games as me hooking up with gal gadot tonight. Maile isnt going to be the coach next year.
After you finish with Gal, tell her I'm available.
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Re: Coaching Candidates

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » November 10th, 2020, 9:25 am

Intermeddler wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 1:06 am
Hmmm long time assistant, everyone likes him, loves the school, assistant during a decline in the program, players love him....

Are we talking about frank or duryea?

Hiring an assistant from a failed staff is almost always a bad idea. Aside from dabo I can’t think of a time it worked out. The program needs some outside energy and someone ambitious.
And even dabo wasnt on as much of a failed staff as this one. Clemson never had a losing season with dabo as an assistant.
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Re: Coaching Candidates

Post by taniataylor » November 10th, 2020, 10:23 am

A good HC will have good coordinators and assistants AND let them do their job. I believe Maile would be a great HC because of his recruiting ability, stability at USU, relationship to the players ( and ability to build with new ones).
Technically the O & D coordinators should be the experience ones that he looks for.
If the coordinators do their job, then the HC job is to make sure everything else falls into place.


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Re: Coaching Candidates

Post by TrueAG » November 10th, 2020, 10:30 am

taniataylor wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 10:23 am
A good HC will have good coordinators and assistants AND let them do their job. I believe Maile would be a great HC because of his recruiting ability, stability at USU, relationship to the players ( and ability to build with new ones).
Technically the O & D coordinators should be the experience ones that he looks for.
If the coordinators do their job, then the HC job is to make sure everything else falls into place.

I agree with you for the most part if we could pay to have good coordinators. Since we can't the Head Coach needs to be the star and more involved in everything. Even if we get good assistants it's usually only for a year or 2. That is my concern with Frank and Hill. Do they have the network to keep bringing in good assistants?



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Re: Coaching Candidates

Post by Aggieiester » November 10th, 2020, 10:35 am

taniataylor wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 10:23 am
A good HC will have good coordinators and assistants AND let them do their job. I believe Maile would be a great HC because of his recruiting ability, stability at USU, relationship to the players ( and ability to build with new ones).
Technically the O & D coordinators should be the experience ones that he looks for.
If the coordinators do their job, then the HC job is to make sure everything else falls into place.
I think that stability in the coordinators is as big of an issue as the head coach. How many offensive coordinators has Jordan had in his four years? Three? Probably the same number of position coaches too.



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Re: Coaching Candidates

Post by Aggie84025 » November 10th, 2020, 10:38 am

3rdGenAggie wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 9:02 am
MWCFAN12 wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 1:13 am
No one has sold me on Jay Hill. In fact the best point was Aggies22 saying ground and pound won't work here. Which he is right. We will never be able to be that team.

My list in no order

1. Spread offense ( I think this is the right offense for our lot in life )
2. Recruiting ties to Texas and Florida ( team speed )
3. Run a clean program
4. Treat the kids good. ( yes they are kids )
5. Build a team with mostly 4 / 5 year kids. Limit transfers and Juco to dire need.
6 Clear / clean plan for recruitment
7. A top notch / strength and conditioning coach. ( I feel we slipped here )


Secondary nice but not a must
8. Understand Utah and the LDS thing
9. Run a 3/4 and get back to having great lbs and dbs.
10. Ties in the west for recruitment.
11. Be great with with donors ( AD's job but a HC that is good at this helps )


I am sure I missed a few but that is the direction I would want to go.
I agree, but here's the tough thing...you basically just described Gary 1.0.
If we can get Gary 1.0 sign that person up. What he did the first time was nothing short of miraculous.
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