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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by Aggie84025 » September 25th, 2020, 10:42 am

BLUERUFiO wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 10:28 am
I can make you feel worse. I've got a cousin who is cousin's with a major DL player. I won't name him, but, the player told my cousin that he hasn't been conditioning much all summer because the season was cancelled due to COVID. I wonder how many other players neglected their conditioning?
To be honest I think a lot of the schools in conference will be in the same boat. It will show which teams/players were staying in shape even with the season originally cancelled.

When do full contact practices start? I know they have been doing skeleton drills. This season will be so strange I am just glad that we will have football. I also have on my blue goggles and am have pretty high expectations. Be interesting to see how it plays out.



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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by aggies22 » September 25th, 2020, 10:43 am

Aggie84025 wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 10:42 am
BLUERUFiO wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 10:28 am
I can make you feel worse. I've got a cousin who is cousin's with a major DL player. I won't name him, but, the player told my cousin that he hasn't been conditioning much all summer because the season was cancelled due to COVID. I wonder how many other players neglected their conditioning?
To be honest I think a lot of the schools in conference will be in the same boat. It will show which teams/players were staying in shape even with the season originally cancelled.

When do full contact practices start? I know they have been doing skeleton drills. This season will be so strange I am just glad that we will have football. I also have on my blue goggles and am have pretty high expectations. Be interesting to see how it plays out.
Fall camp starts today but they've been working in helmets and pads for a few weeks already.
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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by BustaMcNutt » September 25th, 2020, 10:58 am

Is the practice open?



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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by Roy McAvoy » September 25th, 2020, 11:11 am

aggies22 wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 10:43 am
Aggie84025 wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 10:42 am
BLUERUFiO wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 10:28 am
I can make you feel worse. I've got a cousin who is cousin's with a major DL player. I won't name him, but, the player told my cousin that he hasn't been conditioning much all summer because the season was cancelled due to COVID. I wonder how many other players neglected their conditioning?
To be honest I think a lot of the schools in conference will be in the same boat. It will show which teams/players were staying in shape even with the season originally cancelled.

When do full contact practices start? I know they have been doing skeleton drills. This season will be so strange I am just glad that we will have football. I also have on my blue goggles and am have pretty high expectations. Be interesting to see how it plays out.
Fall camp starts today but they've been working in helmets and pads for a few weeks already.
What would happen per say if I went into the stadium and sat far from the field by myself with nobody around and was wearing a mask to watch a practice?



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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by aggies22 » September 25th, 2020, 11:34 am

Roy McAvoy wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 11:11 am
aggies22 wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 10:43 am
Aggie84025 wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 10:42 am
BLUERUFiO wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 10:28 am
I can make you feel worse. I've got a cousin who is cousin's with a major DL player. I won't name him, but, the player told my cousin that he hasn't been conditioning much all summer because the season was cancelled due to COVID. I wonder how many other players neglected their conditioning?
To be honest I think a lot of the schools in conference will be in the same boat. It will show which teams/players were staying in shape even with the season originally cancelled.

When do full contact practices start? I know they have been doing skeleton drills. This season will be so strange I am just glad that we will have football. I also have on my blue goggles and am have pretty high expectations. Be interesting to see how it plays out.
Fall camp starts today but they've been working in helmets and pads for a few weeks already.
What would happen per say if I went into the stadium and sat far from the field by myself with nobody around and was wearing a mask to watch a practice?
Probably get booted out by Zach Nyborg. I don't know what the plan is with open practices?



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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by taniataylor » September 25th, 2020, 11:35 am

Scrimmage next Friday!!
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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by Madmartigan » September 25th, 2020, 11:42 am

aggies22 wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 11:34 am
Roy McAvoy wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 11:11 am
aggies22 wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 10:43 am
Aggie84025 wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 10:42 am
BLUERUFiO wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 10:28 am
I can make you feel worse. I've got a cousin who is cousin's with a major DL player. I won't name him, but, the player told my cousin that he hasn't been conditioning much all summer because the season was cancelled due to COVID. I wonder how many other players neglected their conditioning?
To be honest I think a lot of the schools in conference will be in the same boat. It will show which teams/players were staying in shape even with the season originally cancelled.

When do full contact practices start? I know they have been doing skeleton drills. This season will be so strange I am just glad that we will have football. I also have on my blue goggles and am have pretty high expectations. Be interesting to see how it plays out.
Fall camp starts today but they've been working in helmets and pads for a few weeks already.
What would happen per say if I went into the stadium and sat far from the field by myself with nobody around and was wearing a mask to watch a practice?
Probably get booted out by Zach Nyborg. I don't know what the plan is with open practices?
What is the material of choice to bribe said Zach Nyborg fella? Does he like reeses? What about tasty beverages? Blue laser pointers?



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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by USU78 » September 25th, 2020, 12:05 pm

taniataylor wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 11:35 am
Scrimmage next Friday!!
You sticking in town long enough to go? See the kids play in person?


You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by taniataylor » September 25th, 2020, 12:18 pm

USU78 wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 12:05 pm
taniataylor wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 11:35 am
Scrimmage next Friday!!
You sticking in town long enough to go? See the kids play in person?
No, Im actually approaching Provo as we speak, unfortunately....
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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by usufan1 » September 25th, 2020, 12:26 pm

taniataylor wrote:
USU78 wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 12:05 pm
taniataylor wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 11:35 am
Scrimmage next Friday!!
You sticking in town long enough to go? See the kids play in person?
No, Im actually approaching Provo as we speak, unfortunately....
Get out of there fast!

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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by taniataylor » September 25th, 2020, 2:55 pm

usufan1 wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 12:26 pm
taniataylor wrote:
USU78 wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 12:05 pm
taniataylor wrote:
September 25th, 2020, 11:35 am
Scrimmage next Friday!!
You sticking in town long enough to go? See the kids play in person?
No, Im actually approaching Provo as we speak, unfortunately....
Get out of there fast!

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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by AggiesForever » September 26th, 2020, 10:26 pm

I would bet that Munoz starts ahead of Magalei.



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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by Elkaggie » September 26th, 2020, 11:07 pm

AggiesForever wrote:
September 26th, 2020, 10:26 pm
I would bet that Munoz starts ahead of Magalei.
I hope not. Not sure Munoz has the speed we need. I love the kid but I hope we have someone better.
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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by slcagg » September 27th, 2020, 7:22 am

Elkaggie wrote:
September 26th, 2020, 11:07 pm
AggiesForever wrote:
September 26th, 2020, 10:26 pm
I would bet that Munoz starts ahead of Magalei.
I hope not. Not sure Munoz has the speed we need. I love the kid but I hope we have someone better.
If magalei is back to full strength I don’t think Munoz is near the player he is (specifically on speed).
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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by slcagg » September 27th, 2020, 7:23 am

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September 23rd, 2020, 4:09 pm
As more info comes out about who is still here and who is not, I'll be revisiting my depth chart projections. Soon!
Looks like you can add scarver to the playing this fall team.

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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by aggies22 » September 27th, 2020, 8:28 am

AggiesForever wrote:
September 26th, 2020, 10:26 pm
I would bet that Munoz starts ahead of Magalei.
I wouldn't.



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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by OrangeCountyAggie » September 28th, 2020, 12:27 am

slcagg wrote:
September 27th, 2020, 7:23 am
aggies22 wrote:
September 23rd, 2020, 4:09 pm
As more info comes out about who is still here and who is not, I'll be revisiting my depth chart projections. Soon!
Looks like you can add scarver to the playing this fall team.

Honest question - Why doesn't the coaching staff utilize Scarver more on punt returns? If he's such a weapon on kickoffs why not have him be the primary punt returner (instead of Thompkins/Nathan last year) also?

I remember the dark days in Aggie football (around 2004) when I would literally fast-forward through recorded Aggie games and pause only when the special teams unit came onto the field. Kevin Robinson was magic!



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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by taniataylor » September 28th, 2020, 3:18 am

OrangeCountyAggie wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 12:27 am
slcagg wrote:
September 27th, 2020, 7:23 am
aggies22 wrote:
September 23rd, 2020, 4:09 pm
As more info comes out about who is still here and who is not, I'll be revisiting my depth chart projections. Soon!
Looks like you can add scarver to the playing this fall team.

Honest question - Why doesn't the coaching staff utilize Scarver more on punt returns? If he's such a weapon on kickoffs why not have him be the primary punt returner (instead of Thompkins/Nathan last year) also?

I remember the dark days in Aggie football (around 2004) when I would literally fast-forward through recorded Aggie games and pause only when the special teams unit came onto the field. Kevin Robinson was magic!
That comment right there tells me you dont know much or anything about football... but for the ignorance that is you I will explain. Kick return requires speed and you are allowed more time to plan the field. Punt return requires speed and the ability to make run decisions quickly as the field is shorter for a punt returner. There are reasons that I dont have to tell you as to why Scarver is 2/3rd on the depth chart in the position he has held for 3 years.
Give it up already - you will never prove your anti Nathan campaign.


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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by USU78 » September 28th, 2020, 7:10 am

Punt and kickoff returning are different skills. A great punt returner might not ever be more than a serviceable kickoff man. And vicey versey.


You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by slcagg » September 28th, 2020, 8:05 am

You guys remember the dropped punt return vs Colorado st back in 2011. Man that one still hurts.



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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by Madmartigan » September 28th, 2020, 8:32 am

slcagg wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 8:05 am
You guys remember the dropped punt return vs Colorado st back in 2011. Man that one still hurts.
Which one of the three muffed punts in that game am I supposed to be remembering?
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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by sam tingey » September 28th, 2020, 8:33 am

slcagg wrote:
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You guys remember the dropped punt return vs Colorado st back in 2011. Man that one still hurts.
I love it when i'm having a good day and someone comes up and kicks me in the nuts! Thanks for bringing up such a wonderful memory! :oops:
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Post by Madmartigan » September 28th, 2020, 9:24 am

sam tingey wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 8:33 am
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You guys remember the dropped punt return vs Colorado st back in 2011. Man that one still hurts.
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Post by slcagg » September 28th, 2020, 9:29 am

Hey now take it easy guys! I am just pointing out how important it is to have someone who makes good decisions and has soft/sound hands as a punt returner.

Plus you are aggie fans, I expect you to be toughened already from all our difficult times! I hope you both can bounce back quickly :)
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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by OrangeCountyAggie » September 28th, 2020, 2:25 pm

taniataylor wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 3:18 am
OrangeCountyAggie wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 12:27 am
slcagg wrote:
September 27th, 2020, 7:23 am
aggies22 wrote:
September 23rd, 2020, 4:09 pm
As more info comes out about who is still here and who is not, I'll be revisiting my depth chart projections. Soon!
Looks like you can add scarver to the playing this fall team.

Honest question - Why doesn't the coaching staff utilize Scarver more on punt returns? If he's such a weapon on kickoffs why not have him be the primary punt returner (instead of Thompkins/Nathan last year) also?

I remember the dark days in Aggie football (around 2004) when I would literally fast-forward through recorded Aggie games and pause only when the special teams unit came onto the field. Kevin Robinson was magic!
That comment right there tells me you dont know much or anything about football... but for the ignorance that is you I will explain. Kick return requires speed and you are allowed more time to plan the field. Punt return requires speed and the ability to make run decisions quickly as the field is shorter for a punt returner. There are reasons that I dont have to tell you as to why Scarver is 2/3rd on the depth chart in the position he has held for 3 years.
Give it up already - you will never prove your anti Nathan campaign.
I wasn't trying to run-down Nathan, just wondering why we're not utilizing our All-American kick returner more (you alluded to "reasons," feel free to elaborate.) But since you brought it up, here were Nathan's put return stats from last year (per utahstateaggies.com):

Attempts: 11
Yards: 93
TD: 0
Long: 21
Average: 8.5

Not stellar. I also remember him muffing a punt inside the 10-yard line in the bowl game that set Kent State up for an easy score. Your telling me that Scarver, with his speed and vision, couldn't do better than that? Give me a break!



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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by BustaMcNutt » September 28th, 2020, 2:33 pm

Give it up. Sheesh. We can all just agree to disagree. Trying to move to another somewhat related topic... I noticed Baron Gajkowski showed up on Utah's roster and Morian Walker is at Nevada. I wonder if either of them get any run at their new schools. I really liked Gajkowski.



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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by GeoAg » September 28th, 2020, 2:41 pm

Nathan is one of the most consistent returners as far as taking care of the ball that we've ever had. That one muff you refer to is the only one I can think of in 3 seasons. I don't have the same level of trust in Scarver to take care of the ball.
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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by Aglicious » September 28th, 2020, 2:46 pm

I think the two return types are very different and require guys with differing skill sets. A punt returner catches a ball, usually from a high angle, from a standing still position and immediately has very limited space around him to the closest defender. While a kick returner is receiving a ball from a much lower angle, ideally already moving forward at the time of reception, and has a full field of view in front of him and much more room to the closest defender.

If you look at the type of players that are punt returners (even in NFL), they are what I call "quick twitch" guys. They are not exactly large in stature, can make a guy miss in a phone booth, and can hit a seam and reach top end speed in a hurry.

Conversely, kick returners are guys that excel at reading the flow of the field as a whole, can set up blocks from a distance with subtle movements and change of direction, and have top end speed but are not necessarily quick or elusive in tight spaces.

I would argue that punt returners need to have better hands and far more eye control to make the right decision upon fielding a punt. There's more decision making and situational game understanding required to be a punt returner. I'm not sure Scarver fits the bill of being quick twitch nor has he proven to have the hands necessary to be a successful punt returner. Fast? yes, but he doesn't accelerate to top end speed in a short distance like Thompkins or even Nathan.

I think Scarver has an incredible talent for what he does as a kick returner but I don't think that automatically translates into being equally good at punt returning.
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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by Elkaggie » September 28th, 2020, 3:30 pm

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September 28th, 2020, 2:33 pm
Give it up. Sheesh. We can all just agree to disagree. Trying to move to another somewhat related topic... I noticed Baron Gajkowski showed up on Utah's roster and Morian Walker is at Nevada. I wonder if either of them get any run at their new schools. I really liked Gajkowski.
Wait, what?! I thought Baron was medically retired?!



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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by slcagg » September 28th, 2020, 3:33 pm

Elkaggie wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 3:30 pm
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September 28th, 2020, 2:33 pm
Give it up. Sheesh. We can all just agree to disagree. Trying to move to another somewhat related topic... I noticed Baron Gajkowski showed up on Utah's roster and Morian Walker is at Nevada. I wonder if either of them get any run at their new schools. I really liked Gajkowski.
Wait, what?! I thought Baron was medically retired?!
Yeah disappointed if this is the case.



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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by Roy McAvoy » September 28th, 2020, 3:55 pm

slcagg wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 3:33 pm
Elkaggie wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 3:30 pm
BustaMcNutt wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 2:33 pm
Give it up. Sheesh. We can all just agree to disagree. Trying to move to another somewhat related topic... I noticed Baron Gajkowski showed up on Utah's roster and Morian Walker is at Nevada. I wonder if either of them get any run at their new schools. I really liked Gajkowski.
Wait, what?! I thought Baron was medically retired?!
Yeah disappointed if this is the case.
Here's what I've heard about it. Don't quote me on this, but USU's staff medically disqualified him. That means he's free to go play elsewhere if they'll medically qualify him.

Marcus Moore is actually doing the same thing at USU. UCLA medically disqualified him, but we're letting him play.
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Post by newhouse9 » September 28th, 2020, 4:14 pm

8.5 on punt returns is solid, in my opinion.
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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by aggies22 » September 28th, 2020, 5:42 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 3:55 pm
slcagg wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 3:33 pm
Elkaggie wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 3:30 pm
BustaMcNutt wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 2:33 pm
Give it up. Sheesh. We can all just agree to disagree. Trying to move to another somewhat related topic... I noticed Baron Gajkowski showed up on Utah's roster and Morian Walker is at Nevada. I wonder if either of them get any run at their new schools. I really liked Gajkowski.
Wait, what?! I thought Baron was medically retired?!
Yeah disappointed if this is the case.
Here's what I've heard about it. Don't quote me on this, but USU's staff medically disqualified him. That means he's free to go play elsewhere if they'll medically qualify him.

Marcus Moore is actually doing the same thing at USU. UCLA medically disqualified him, but we're letting him play.
I'll quote you on this. It's true. It's been nearly two years since Baron played last. The same goes for Morian as well for that matter. It's okay for someone to move on and give it a try somewhere else.



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Re: Revisit the depth chart

Post by GeorgiaAggie » September 28th, 2020, 9:36 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 2:25 pm
taniataylor wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 3:18 am
OrangeCountyAggie wrote:
September 28th, 2020, 12:27 am
slcagg wrote:
September 27th, 2020, 7:23 am
aggies22 wrote:
September 23rd, 2020, 4:09 pm
As more info comes out about who is still here and who is not, I'll be revisiting my depth chart projections. Soon!
Looks like you can add scarver to the playing this fall team.

Honest question - Why doesn't the coaching staff utilize Scarver more on punt returns? If he's such a weapon on kickoffs why not have him be the primary punt returner (instead of Thompkins/Nathan last year) also?

I remember the dark days in Aggie football (around 2004) when I would literally fast-forward through recorded Aggie games and pause only when the special teams unit came onto the field. Kevin Robinson was magic!
That comment right there tells me you dont know much or anything about football... but for the ignorance that is you I will explain. Kick return requires speed and you are allowed more time to plan the field. Punt return requires speed and the ability to make run decisions quickly as the field is shorter for a punt returner. There are reasons that I dont have to tell you as to why Scarver is 2/3rd on the depth chart in the position he has held for 3 years.
Give it up already - you will never prove your anti Nathan campaign.
I wasn't trying to run-down Nathan, just wondering why we're not utilizing our All-American kick returner more (you alluded to "reasons," feel free to elaborate.) But since you brought it up, here were Nathan's put return stats from last year (per utahstateaggies.com):

Attempts: 11
Yards: 93
TD: 0
Long: 21
Average: 8.5

Not stellar. I also remember him muffing a punt inside the 10-yard line in the bowl game that set Kent State up for an easy score. Your telling me that Scarver, with his speed and vision, couldn't do better than that? Give me a break!
People put to much importance on punt return averages. A fair catch, in most cases, is as good as a 15-20 yard return. Sure hands and guts are what makes a good punt returner. Nathan has proven he has both, others have not.
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