What could make or break basketball and spring football

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What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by GameFAQSAggie » August 20th, 2020, 11:04 pm

One thing that could make or break there being a basketball season and/or a spring football season is the leagues that are playing being successful at having their seasons start and be completed. And at least with some if not most or all of those teams having some fans at the games.

We can say that it would make us look bad for cancelling if the other leagues are able to compete, but for one thing, there's at least other leagues not playing including two P5 leagues, so it's not like we would stick out as the horrible losers for not playing. And if anything, if the other leagues are successful completing seasons, it would provide a blueprint for the four of us(leagues) on how a season can happen, with all the precautions. Plus, a vaccine could improve the situation enabling at least some fans at all the games and up to 50 percent or normal capacity in the spring.

As for basketball, it's harder being indoors to safely allow any sort of fan attendance without the situation improving substantially, so football being successful with 25 percent crowds wouldn't necessarily be a fair indication of the same being possible in basketball, BUT basketball teams of 15 players could be protected and forced to take precautions much more easily than football teams of 85 players.

But if we end up with EVERYONE cancelling, it would just be more likely to say those of us early cancelers were right, and it would more easily turn into no basketball then no spring football.



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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » August 20th, 2020, 11:07 pm

I agree. People are saying it will make the conferences look bad if those that do play have none or limited problems. Maybe, but it also would be a good go ahead and a sign that we would actually get football in the spring. That is why I hope somebody ends up playing. If nobody plays, they probably just keep pushing it back.



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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by ChowderAggie » August 21st, 2020, 2:34 pm

I think we will know in about three-four weeks how severe COVID is going to get.

Was driving by a middle school as kids were getting out and nobody was wearing a mask, except one kid sitting on the grass by himself. The crazy is either beginning with kids returning to school, or not.

I hope I’m wrong, but think schools will be moving online within a month. With that said, I doubt I would wear a mask as a middle school student either. Most are fearless at that age.



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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by Sl7vk » August 21st, 2020, 3:12 pm

ChowderAggie wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 2:34 pm
I think we will know in about three-four weeks how severe COVID is going to get.

Was driving by a middle school as kids were getting out and nobody was wearing a mask, except one kid sitting on the grass by himself. The crazy is either beginning with kids returning to school, or not.

I hope I’m wrong, but think schools will be moving online within a month. With that said, I doubt I would wear a mask as a middle school student either. Most are fearless at that age.
What school district isn't requiring masks?

My son starts middle school on Monday, and I can tell you that no mask= no school.
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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by ChowderAggie » August 21st, 2020, 3:53 pm

Sl7vk wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 3:12 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 2:34 pm
I think we will know in about three-four weeks how severe COVID is going to get.

Was driving by a middle school as kids were getting out and nobody was wearing a mask, except one kid sitting on the grass by himself. The crazy is either beginning with kids returning to school, or not.

I hope I’m wrong, but think schools will be moving online within a month. With that said, I doubt I would wear a mask as a middle school student either. Most are fearless at that age.
What school district isn't requiring masks?

My son starts middle school on Monday, and I can tell you that no mask= no school.

Hey sl7vk,

I don't know the name of it, but it's the one in Providence near the Providence Post Office. The students were leaving school and walking towards Main Street, I guess on their way home. There were at least 30 without masks walking in different groups together. I saw one kid in a mask, but he was sitting by himself on the grass in the school yard.

Again, I'm not judging the kids at that age because I probably wouldn't have been wearing a mask the second the school bell rang and class was over.



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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by 2004AG » August 21st, 2020, 4:01 pm

ChowderAggie wrote:
Sl7vk wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 3:12 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 2:34 pm
I think we will know in about three-four weeks how severe COVID is going to get.

Was driving by a middle school as kids were getting out and nobody was wearing a mask, except one kid sitting on the grass by himself. The crazy is either beginning with kids returning to school, or not.

I hope I’m wrong, but think schools will be moving online within a month. With that said, I doubt I would wear a mask as a middle school student either. Most are fearless at that age.
What school district isn't requiring masks?

My son starts middle school on Monday, and I can tell you that no mask= no school.

Hey sl7vk,

I don't know the name of it, but it's the one in Providence near the Providence Post Office. The students were leaving school and walking towards Main Street, I guess on their way home. There were at least 30 without masks walking in different groups together. I saw one kid in a mask, but he was sitting by himself on the grass in the school yard.

Again, I'm not judging the kids at that age because I probably wouldn't have been wearing a mask the second the school bell rang and class was over.
You want them to wear their masks walking home OUTSIDE ?


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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by GameFAQSAggie » August 21st, 2020, 4:19 pm

Kids probably take their masks off as soon as they are outside the building, if not as soon as the exit door is in site. Even adults do that. You will see people, even adults, in Wal-Mart and church parking lots, without masks cause they aren't required in the parking lots, only inside the building.



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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by aggies22 » August 21st, 2020, 4:26 pm

Sl7vk wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 3:12 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 2:34 pm
I think we will know in about three-four weeks how severe COVID is going to get.

Was driving by a middle school as kids were getting out and nobody was wearing a mask, except one kid sitting on the grass by himself. The crazy is either beginning with kids returning to school, or not.

I hope I’m wrong, but think schools will be moving online within a month. With that said, I doubt I would wear a mask as a middle school student either. Most are fearless at that age.
What school district isn't requiring masks?

My son starts middle school on Monday, and I can tell you that no mask= no school.
My middle schooler came home and said they basically sat kids in a room at lunch to force social distancing during lunch.



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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by slcagg » August 21st, 2020, 4:36 pm

aggies22 wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 4:26 pm
Sl7vk wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 3:12 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 2:34 pm
I think we will know in about three-four weeks how severe COVID is going to get.

Was driving by a middle school as kids were getting out and nobody was wearing a mask, except one kid sitting on the grass by himself. The crazy is either beginning with kids returning to school, or not.

I hope I’m wrong, but think schools will be moving online within a month. With that said, I doubt I would wear a mask as a middle school student either. Most are fearless at that age.
What school district isn't requiring masks?

My son starts middle school on Monday, and I can tell you that no mask= no school.
My middle schooler came home and said they basically sat kids in a room at lunch to force social distancing during lunch.
Gonna be a long year. No one look at each other.



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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by GameFAQSAggie » August 21st, 2020, 4:53 pm

aggies22 wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 4:26 pm
Sl7vk wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 3:12 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 2:34 pm
I think we will know in about three-four weeks how severe COVID is going to get.

Was driving by a middle school as kids were getting out and nobody was wearing a mask, except one kid sitting on the grass by himself. The crazy is either beginning with kids returning to school, or not.

I hope I’m wrong, but think schools will be moving online within a month. With that said, I doubt I would wear a mask as a middle school student either. Most are fearless at that age.
What school district isn't requiring masks?

My son starts middle school on Monday, and I can tell you that no mask= no school.
My middle schooler came home and said they basically sat kids in a room at lunch to force social distancing during lunch.
That reminds me of when we got a new principal at Woodruff one year when I was growing up between my third and fourth grade year. He was a fifth grade teacher at the school right before being named the principal. He made rules for lunch time that a number of us all hated. We had to sit together as a class at our assigned table and wait for the lunch lady to come to our table and excuse us.



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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by mike1126 » August 21st, 2020, 5:41 pm

The next 4-6 weeks will determine a lot. If the other conferences get shut down, they will look at moving to spring. Then all conferences can get on the same train for spring ball. If the other conferences don't shut down, i feel there will be a pic push for MW and other conferences to get playing again (maybe sooner than later). Time will tell. I personally feel the other conferences will be shut down, and they will push to restart in January.
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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by ChowderAggie » August 21st, 2020, 6:14 pm

2004AG wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 4:01 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
Sl7vk wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 3:12 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 2:34 pm
I think we will know in about three-four weeks how severe COVID is going to get.

Was driving by a middle school as kids were getting out and nobody was wearing a mask, except one kid sitting on the grass by himself. The crazy is either beginning with kids returning to school, or not.

I hope I’m wrong, but think schools will be moving online within a month. With that said, I doubt I would wear a mask as a middle school student either. Most are fearless at that age.
What school district isn't requiring masks?

My son starts middle school on Monday, and I can tell you that no mask= no school.

Hey sl7vk,

I don't know the name of it, but it's the one in Providence near the Providence Post Office. The students were leaving school and walking towards Main Street, I guess on their way home. There were at least 30 without masks walking in different groups together. I saw one kid in a mask, but he was sitting by himself on the grass in the school yard.

Again, I'm not judging the kids at that age because I probably wouldn't have been wearing a mask the second the school bell rang and class was over.
You want them to wear their masks walking home OUTSIDE ?


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If 10 people are walking in a close group within a few feet of each other, I think it would be reasonable. If socially distanced 6 feet apart, it's likely fine.

Let's seen in a month if schools are still open in Cache Valley.



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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by ChowderAggie » August 21st, 2020, 6:16 pm

aggies22 wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 4:26 pm
Sl7vk wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 3:12 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 2:34 pm
I think we will know in about three-four weeks how severe COVID is going to get.

Was driving by a middle school as kids were getting out and nobody was wearing a mask, except one kid sitting on the grass by himself. The crazy is either beginning with kids returning to school, or not.

I hope I’m wrong, but think schools will be moving online within a month. With that said, I doubt I would wear a mask as a middle school student either. Most are fearless at that age.
What school district isn't requiring masks?

My son starts middle school on Monday, and I can tell you that no mask= no school.
My middle schooler came home and said they basically sat kids in a room at lunch to force social distancing during lunch.
To add to the terrible situation for kids, I understand some of the elementary schools didn't have recess today because of air quality. Wow, 2020 is brutal.



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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by 2004AG » August 21st, 2020, 6:39 pm

ChowderAggie wrote:
2004AG wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 4:01 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
Sl7vk wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 3:12 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 2:34 pm
I think we will know in about three-four weeks how severe COVID is going to get.

Was driving by a middle school as kids were getting out and nobody was wearing a mask, except one kid sitting on the grass by himself. The crazy is either beginning with kids returning to school, or not.

I hope I’m wrong, but think schools will be moving online within a month. With that said, I doubt I would wear a mask as a middle school student either. Most are fearless at that age.
What school district isn't requiring masks?

My son starts middle school on Monday, and I can tell you that no mask= no school.

Hey sl7vk,

I don't know the name of it, but it's the one in Providence near the Providence Post Office. The students were leaving school and walking towards Main Street, I guess on their way home. There were at least 30 without masks walking in different groups together. I saw one kid in a mask, but he was sitting by himself on the grass in the school yard.

Again, I'm not judging the kids at that age because I probably wouldn't have been wearing a mask the second the school bell rang and class was over.
You want them to wear their masks walking home OUTSIDE ?


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If 10 people are walking in a close group within a few feet of each other, I think it would be reasonable. If socially distanced 6 feet apart, it's likely fine.

Let's seen in a month if schools are still open in Cache Valley.
You very could well be right that schools will be shut down. It would just be a stupid decision. Kids are not at risk. But not a lot we have done since March makes much sense.

People like you just amaze me. I can’t imagine locking myself in my house in fear for the next few years.


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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by ChowderAggie » August 21st, 2020, 8:53 pm

2004AG wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 6:39 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
2004AG wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 4:01 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
Sl7vk wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 3:12 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 2:34 pm
I think we will know in about three-four weeks how severe COVID is going to get.

Was driving by a middle school as kids were getting out and nobody was wearing a mask, except one kid sitting on the grass by himself. The crazy is either beginning with kids returning to school, or not.

I hope I’m wrong, but think schools will be moving online within a month. With that said, I doubt I would wear a mask as a middle school student either. Most are fearless at that age.
What school district isn't requiring masks?

My son starts middle school on Monday, and I can tell you that no mask= no school.

Hey sl7vk,

I don't know the name of it, but it's the one in Providence near the Providence Post Office. The students were leaving school and walking towards Main Street, I guess on their way home. There were at least 30 without masks walking in different groups together. I saw one kid in a mask, but he was sitting by himself on the grass in the school yard.

Again, I'm not judging the kids at that age because I probably wouldn't have been wearing a mask the second the school bell rang and class was over.
You want them to wear their masks walking home OUTSIDE ?


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If 10 people are walking in a close group within a few feet of each other, I think it would be reasonable. If socially distanced 6 feet apart, it's likely fine.

Let's seen in a month if schools are still open in Cache Valley.
You very could well be right that schools will be shut down. It would just be a stupid decision. Kids are not at risk. But not a lot we have done since March makes much sense.

People like you just amaze me. I can’t imagine locking myself in my house in fear for the next few years.


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I’m alright with following guidelines from doctors representing the top medical centers in the world. I’m glad Utah State admin are doing the same. It will save lives.

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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by 2004AG » August 21st, 2020, 9:16 pm

ChowderAggie wrote:
2004AG wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 6:39 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
2004AG wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 4:01 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
Sl7vk wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 3:12 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 2:34 pm
I think we will know in about three-four weeks how severe COVID is going to get.

Was driving by a middle school as kids were getting out and nobody was wearing a mask, except one kid sitting on the grass by himself. The crazy is either beginning with kids returning to school, or not.

I hope I’m wrong, but think schools will be moving online within a month. With that said, I doubt I would wear a mask as a middle school student either. Most are fearless at that age.
What school district isn't requiring masks?

My son starts middle school on Monday, and I can tell you that no mask= no school.

Hey sl7vk,

I don't know the name of it, but it's the one in Providence near the Providence Post Office. The students were leaving school and walking towards Main Street, I guess on their way home. There were at least 30 without masks walking in different groups together. I saw one kid in a mask, but he was sitting by himself on the grass in the school yard.

Again, I'm not judging the kids at that age because I probably wouldn't have been wearing a mask the second the school bell rang and class was over.
You want them to wear their masks walking home OUTSIDE ?


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If 10 people are walking in a close group within a few feet of each other, I think it would be reasonable. If socially distanced 6 feet apart, it's likely fine.

Let's seen in a month if schools are still open in Cache Valley.
You very could well be right that schools will be shut down. It would just be a stupid decision. Kids are not at risk. But not a lot we have done since March makes much sense.

People like you just amaze me. I can’t imagine locking myself in my house in fear for the next few years.


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I’m alright with following guidelines from doctors representing the top medical centers in the world. I’m glad Utah State admin are doing the same. It will save lives.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/shou ... k-outside/
Let’s just all stay in our houses indefinitely and save even more lives.


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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » August 21st, 2020, 9:29 pm

ChowderAggie wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 8:53 pm
2004AG wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 6:39 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
2004AG wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 4:01 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
Sl7vk wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 3:12 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 2:34 pm
I think we will know in about three-four weeks how severe COVID is going to get.

Was driving by a middle school as kids were getting out and nobody was wearing a mask, except one kid sitting on the grass by himself. The crazy is either beginning with kids returning to school, or not.

I hope I’m wrong, but think schools will be moving online within a month. With that said, I doubt I would wear a mask as a middle school student either. Most are fearless at that age.
What school district isn't requiring masks?

My son starts middle school on Monday, and I can tell you that no mask= no school.

Hey sl7vk,

I don't know the name of it, but it's the one in Providence near the Providence Post Office. The students were leaving school and walking towards Main Street, I guess on their way home. There were at least 30 without masks walking in different groups together. I saw one kid in a mask, but he was sitting by himself on the grass in the school yard.

Again, I'm not judging the kids at that age because I probably wouldn't have been wearing a mask the second the school bell rang and class was over.
You want them to wear their masks walking home OUTSIDE ?


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If 10 people are walking in a close group within a few feet of each other, I think it would be reasonable. If socially distanced 6 feet apart, it's likely fine.

Let's seen in a month if schools are still open in Cache Valley.
You very could well be right that schools will be shut down. It would just be a stupid decision. Kids are not at risk. But not a lot we have done since March makes much sense.

People like you just amaze me. I can’t imagine locking myself in my house in fear for the next few years.


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I’m alright with following guidelines from doctors representing the top medical centers in the world. I’m glad Utah State admin are doing the same. It will save lives.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/shou ... k-outside/
I certainly support following guidelines and being smart about things, but is there no way to play when every other major sport is playing? College football is one of the most popular sports in the country. This is a bit old so ratings may have changed since then, but in 2013 you had Lebron James and the Heat vs the Spurs in the Finals. That same year you had arguably the most popular baseball team in America the Red Sox beat another very popular baseball team the St Louis Cardinals in the World Series. Guess what had a higher rating than both: the college football national title between Florida State and Auburn.

I'm definitely for following safety protocols and doing what is necessary, but I don't agree that the sport has to shutdown. All other major sports are finding ways to play. College football should too.



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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by ChowderAggie » August 21st, 2020, 9:55 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 9:29 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 8:53 pm
2004AG wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 6:39 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
2004AG wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 4:01 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
Sl7vk wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 3:12 pm
ChowderAggie wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 2:34 pm
I think we will know in about three-four weeks how severe COVID is going to get.

Was driving by a middle school as kids were getting out and nobody was wearing a mask, except one kid sitting on the grass by himself. The crazy is either beginning with kids returning to school, or not.

I hope I’m wrong, but think schools will be moving online within a month. With that said, I doubt I would wear a mask as a middle school student either. Most are fearless at that age.
What school district isn't requiring masks?

My son starts middle school on Monday, and I can tell you that no mask= no school.

Hey sl7vk,

I don't know the name of it, but it's the one in Providence near the Providence Post Office. The students were leaving school and walking towards Main Street, I guess on their way home. There were at least 30 without masks walking in different groups together. I saw one kid in a mask, but he was sitting by himself on the grass in the school yard.

Again, I'm not judging the kids at that age because I probably wouldn't have been wearing a mask the second the school bell rang and class was over.
You want them to wear their masks walking home OUTSIDE ?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If 10 people are walking in a close group within a few feet of each other, I think it would be reasonable. If socially distanced 6 feet apart, it's likely fine.

Let's seen in a month if schools are still open in Cache Valley.
You very could well be right that schools will be shut down. It would just be a stupid decision. Kids are not at risk. But not a lot we have done since March makes much sense.

People like you just amaze me. I can’t imagine locking myself in my house in fear for the next few years.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I’m alright with following guidelines from doctors representing the top medical centers in the world. I’m glad Utah State admin are doing the same. It will save lives.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/shou ... k-outside/
I certainly support following guidelines and being smart about things, but is there no way to play when every other major sport is playing? College football is one of the most popular sports in the country. This is a bit old so ratings may have changed since then, but in 2013 you had Lebron James and the Heat vs the Spurs in the Finals. That same year you had arguably the most popular baseball team in America the Red Sox beat another very popular baseball team the St Louis Cardinals in the World Series. Guess what had a higher rating than both: the college football national title between Florida State and Auburn.

I'm definitely for following safety protocols and doing what is necessary, but I don't agree that the sport has to shutdown. All other major sports are finding ways to play. College football should too.
I wish they could find a way to make college football happen as well.

IHME projections out of the University of Washington are expecting 300,000 deaths by December 1 in the US.

If true, classes will be online by Thanksgiving and any sports college, pro or otherwise, will be difficult to schedule during late fall and winter.

According to the study, if masks were universally worn when social distancing isn’t possible, around 70,000 lives would be saved.

I love Hawai’i and already miss it as I travel there every year. Last visited Oahu last February/March just before everything was beginning to shut down.



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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by NavyBlueAggie » August 24th, 2020, 10:14 am

Recalling the early well published fatality projections and how many times those models were adjusted downward makes me skeptical about the current reactions and likely over reactions we are now seeing. Hand washing has been emphasized along with general personal hygiene awareness, certainly at gyms and most likely in locker rooms. I appreciate those events, especially in the reopened gym I go to.

The 6 foot distancing bit has become a standard, but consider being inside a building with an active burst of the virus circulating, courtesy of the steady HVAC. There are no safe spaces in a structure with both HVAC and the virus in play. Beyond the wearing of the personalized mask and it being somewhat of an incubator or a Petri dish we have yet to define what works to "flatten the curve" beyond this disaster burning itself out. There are so many, many levels of COVID 19 circulating, and perhaps many or even most of us have already had our exposure.

I believe school presidents along with attorneys made the cancellation of college football this fall a reality. Hindsight can be so instructive, and rash judgement can be so expensive. The jury is still out on what we have and are doing.
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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by jimbo » August 24th, 2020, 1:25 pm

There are already outbreak pockets with USU students and very few have returned to campus. This is going to get ugly quickly.
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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by bwcrc » August 24th, 2020, 2:14 pm

There is one thing about how highly contagious COVID transmission is supposed to be that I do not understand. I know a grand total of two people who have tested positive for COVID (I know, not a very large sample size). One is a morbidly obese man around 40 years old and lives in a three bedroom house with his wife and five kids. After he tested positive no one else in his house tested positive, despite the lack of social distancing or wearing masks in their house which might be pushing 1500 square feet. Within their home, they went about living as usual.

The other is a woman in her 20s, also obese, and lives in a similar sized home with her parents and younger brother that is decidedly less sanitary than the other home. The mother is a medical nightmare (obesity, diabetes, kidney disease, heart disease, etc.) and again no one else in the home tested positive. There was also not much social distancing going on nor wearing masks.

Neither of these two people were hospitalized, so I assume they both had milder cases. But with how contagious COVID is supposed to be, I would have expected at least one other person in at least one of these houses to have tested positive.

Yet, I totally expect that once school starts each year and again when my kids return to school in January that everyone in my house will come down with a cold within a couple of weeks because once one kid gets it, it tends to spread through the house fairly quickly.



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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by JSHarvey » August 24th, 2020, 2:25 pm

GA has already said spring football is a no go (regardless of what happens with those playing now or with COVID-19) as it would require the students to play two seasons in one year and their bodies just aren't up for that. I think the only football we are going to see this academic year is whatever happens in the next few weeks to months.


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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by 2004AG » August 24th, 2020, 2:28 pm

jimbo wrote:There are already outbreak pockets with USU students and very few have returned to campus. This is going to get ugly quickly.
By “ugly” do you mean 99% of the college age students who get it are asymptomatic or have the sniffles and can’t smell for a week? That kind of ugly ?


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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by JSHarvey » August 24th, 2020, 6:14 pm

2004AG wrote:
August 24th, 2020, 2:28 pm
jimbo wrote:There are already outbreak pockets with USU students and very few have returned to campus. This is going to get ugly quickly.
By “ugly” do you mean 99% of the college age students who get it are asymptomatic or have the sniffles and can’t smell for a week? That kind of ugly ?


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Or do you mean that older faculty and staff and the students' older family members also get sick and die at the expected rates for their age groups (i.e., 10%+ for the older cohorts)? Just curious.

As a personal note my daughter (who has an "compromised" immune system as the doctors label it) works on USU campus and is extremely nervous and very careful about social distancing, washing and sterilizing hands and surfaces, and wearing a mask. If there is a general outbreak at USU she may have to quit her job.
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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by 2004AG » August 24th, 2020, 6:35 pm

JSHarvey wrote:
2004AG wrote:
August 24th, 2020, 2:28 pm
jimbo wrote:There are already outbreak pockets with USU students and very few have returned to campus. This is going to get ugly quickly.
By “ugly” do you mean 99% of the college age students who get it are asymptomatic or have the sniffles and can’t smell for a week? That kind of ugly ?


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Or do you mean that older faculty and staff and the students' older family members also get sick and die at the expected rates for their age groups (i.e., 10%+ for the older cohorts)? Just curious.

As a personal note my daughter (who has an "compromised" immune system as the doctors label it) works on USU campus and is extremely nervous and very careful about social distancing, washing and sterilizing hands and surfaces, and wearing a mask. If there is a general outbreak at USU she may have to quit her job.
Well seeing as how he referenced “USU students” and I specifically referenced “college age students”, I’ll leave it to you to figure out who I mean.


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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » August 24th, 2020, 7:27 pm

ChowderAggie wrote:
August 21st, 2020, 9:55 pm
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August 21st, 2020, 9:29 pm
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August 21st, 2020, 8:53 pm
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August 21st, 2020, 4:01 pm
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I think we will know in about three-four weeks how severe COVID is going to get.

Was driving by a middle school as kids were getting out and nobody was wearing a mask, except one kid sitting on the grass by himself. The crazy is either beginning with kids returning to school, or not.

I hope I’m wrong, but think schools will be moving online within a month. With that said, I doubt I would wear a mask as a middle school student either. Most are fearless at that age.
What school district isn't requiring masks?

My son starts middle school on Monday, and I can tell you that no mask= no school.

Hey sl7vk,

I don't know the name of it, but it's the one in Providence near the Providence Post Office. The students were leaving school and walking towards Main Street, I guess on their way home. There were at least 30 without masks walking in different groups together. I saw one kid in a mask, but he was sitting by himself on the grass in the school yard.

Again, I'm not judging the kids at that age because I probably wouldn't have been wearing a mask the second the school bell rang and class was over.
You want them to wear their masks walking home OUTSIDE ?


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If 10 people are walking in a close group within a few feet of each other, I think it would be reasonable. If socially distanced 6 feet apart, it's likely fine.

Let's seen in a month if schools are still open in Cache Valley.
You very could well be right that schools will be shut down. It would just be a stupid decision. Kids are not at risk. But not a lot we have done since March makes much sense.

People like you just amaze me. I can’t imagine locking myself in my house in fear for the next few years.


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I’m alright with following guidelines from doctors representing the top medical centers in the world. I’m glad Utah State admin are doing the same. It will save lives.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/shou ... k-outside/
I certainly support following guidelines and being smart about things, but is there no way to play when every other major sport is playing? College football is one of the most popular sports in the country. This is a bit old so ratings may have changed since then, but in 2013 you had Lebron James and the Heat vs the Spurs in the Finals. That same year you had arguably the most popular baseball team in America the Red Sox beat another very popular baseball team the St Louis Cardinals in the World Series. Guess what had a higher rating than both: the college football national title between Florida State and Auburn.

I'm definitely for following safety protocols and doing what is necessary, but I don't agree that the sport has to shutdown. All other major sports are finding ways to play. College football should too.
I wish they could find a way to make college football happen as well.

IHME projections out of the University of Washington are expecting 300,000 deaths by December 1 in the US.

If true, classes will be online by Thanksgiving and any sports college, pro or otherwise, will be difficult to schedule during late fall and winter.

According to the study, if masks were universally worn when social distancing isn’t possible, around 70,000 lives would be saved.

I love Hawai’i and already miss it as I travel there every year. Last visited Oahu last February/March just before everything was beginning to shut down.
February/March is a tough time to go with the trade winds and the rain, but yeah I miss being there although I wouldn't want to be there now.



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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by Jjoey52 » August 24th, 2020, 10:31 pm

Hopefully they don’t kill basketball, but if any of you think there will be spring football you have smoked too much crack.

Spring football was just a ploy to avoid a backlash over the fall season.


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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by usu99 » August 25th, 2020, 8:49 am

Dude 2004Ag quit being a jerk. We get it, you don't think this stuff is a big deal. Let the others that care be free to do what they believe is right without you bashing them.
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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by Madmartigan » August 25th, 2020, 9:26 am

usu99 wrote:
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Dude 2004Ag quit being a jerk. We get it, you don't think this stuff is a big deal. Let the others that care be free to do what they believe is right without you bashing them.
There has to be room for disagreement in life. I don't think @2004AG is being a jerk. He is maybe making some points you don't agree with, but disagreement doesn't equal being a jerk. It's OK that we disagree about how to best respond to this and discussion is merited.



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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by BleedAggieBlue0 » August 25th, 2020, 9:49 am

Madmartigan wrote:
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Dude 2004Ag quit being a jerk. We get it, you don't think this stuff is a big deal. Let the others that care be free to do what they believe is right without you bashing them.
There has to be room for disagreement in life. I don't think [mention]2004AG[/mention] is being a jerk. He is maybe making some points you don't agree with, but disagreement doesn't equal being a jerk. It's OK that we disagree about how to best respond to this and discussion is merited.
Are you ignoring the part where he said “people like you amaze me”? After the other poster hadn’t said anything rude or targeted at all? In fact, no one in the thread had said anything even remotely rude or targeted at that point.

Not a big deal, but you’re definitely down playing it a bit.


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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by 2004AG » August 25th, 2020, 10:05 am

I don't think its rude to point out the survival rate for the Rona is about 99% and for college aged kids the risk is extremely minimal. That might be hard for some people to deal with, but its not rude.

And yes, people who ignore those facts and science and data do amaze me. I don't see how that's rude. I haven't attacked anybody or called anybody names.

Also, I completely support how individuals choose to react (not that anybody needs my blessing) but I will continue to push back against the narrative that the world should shut down until there are zero cases....for society as a whole. If someone wants to hide in their house, have at it, but let the rest of us get on with life how choose to.



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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by superheroboy » August 25th, 2020, 10:37 am

My main concern for these college-age students isn't the recovery rate, it's that we have no idea of the long-term effects. Anyone that has had chickenpox as a kid and then suffered from shingles as an adult knows that an innocuous virus as a child can have different results as an adult.



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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by Aggie19 » August 25th, 2020, 11:31 am

I'll be honest, what I'm most excited about, no matter what side you fall on, is what we have learned through this whole pandemic. We have A LOT of doctors and medical folks as alumni and posters on the board. Looking forward to all the donations to the school from these well-heeled medical experts. Athletic budget should no longer be a concern for us. :sarcasm:


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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by NavyBlueAggie » August 25th, 2020, 1:16 pm

I believe we can disagree without being disagreeable. Certainly there are currently many issues to ponder and review, cuss and discuss.



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Re: What could make or break basketball and spring football

Post by ChowderAggie » August 25th, 2020, 10:25 pm

JSHarvey wrote:
August 24th, 2020, 6:14 pm
2004AG wrote:
August 24th, 2020, 2:28 pm
jimbo wrote:There are already outbreak pockets with USU students and very few have returned to campus. This is going to get ugly quickly.
By “ugly” do you mean 99% of the college age students who get it are asymptomatic or have the sniffles and can’t smell for a week? That kind of ugly ?


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Or do you mean that older faculty and staff and the students' older family members also get sick and die at the expected rates for their age groups (i.e., 10%+ for the older cohorts)? Just curious.

As a personal note my daughter (who has an "compromised" immune system as the doctors label it) works on USU campus and is extremely nervous and very careful about social distancing, washing and sterilizing hands and surfaces, and wearing a mask. If there is a general outbreak at USU she may have to quit her job.
I hope your daughter is able to stay safe while working on campus, and USU is able to effectively contact trace outbreaks.

Thankfully, most USU students I’ve observed or interacted with on campus have been wearing masks, and/or socially distancing. However, I still think all classes will be online before Thanksgiving because of COVID problems in the K-12 schools. I believe this will be the primary mechanism for spreading first to classmates, and then be brought home to family members.

COVID has killed more Americans in 6 months than the flu typically does in 4 years, and we haven’t faced COVID yet during winter months.

Here’s to a quick, safe, and effective vaccine in time to get college sports back on track. :cheers:
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