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I'm 100% in this camp. This is about cases of CV19 now, not deaths. Yes, people will get the virus, but they'll be fine. It's the 70 yr old obese or metabolically unhealthy person that is at risk. Those people aren't on the field. If that's you in the stands, then I'd suggest don't go or get on the healthy side of life. This CV19 is exposing peoples fear of their own poor health. It's a shame....yes, I'm on my soap box out. It's the 80 yr old obese person driving this bus. Get me off of it!!YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 6:04 pmIdiots, all of them. They can’t admit these players aren’t fully amateurs, so they can’t put them in a bubble. And they also think the world’s fittest 20 year olds are going to die from this virus.
In which scenario is a CFB player more likely to catch the virus, practicing and being involved with the team 30 plus hours per week, eating and studying at the team facility, subject to regular testing and the accountability that if you are reckless and get sick you could spread it to your team and compromise your season orIdaAg93 wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 6:23 pmI'm 100% in this camp. This is about cases of CV19 now, not deaths. Yes, people will get the virus, but they'll be fine. It's the 70 yr old obese or metabolically unhealthy person that is at risk. Those people aren't on the field. If that's you in the stands, then I'd suggest don't go or get on the healthy side of life. This CV19 is exposing peoples fear of their own poor health. It's a shame....yes, I'm on my soap box out. It's the 80 yr old obese person driving this bus. Get me off of it!!YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 6:04 pmIdiots, all of them. They can’t admit these players aren’t fully amateurs, so they can’t put them in a bubble. And they also think the world’s fittest 20 year olds are going to die from this virus.
i am in the same boat, but unfortunately i am not the decision maker on this. I believe it can be done, but there no conference is going to have the courage to do it.IdaAg93 wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 6:23 pmI'm 100% in this camp. This is about cases of CV19 now, not deaths. Yes, people will get the virus, but they'll be fine. It's the 70 yr old obese or metabolically unhealthy person that is at risk. Those people aren't on the field. If that's you in the stands, then I'd suggest don't go or get on the healthy side of life. This CV19 is exposing peoples fear of their own poor health. It's a shame....yes, I'm on my soap box out. It's the 80 yr old obese person driving this bus. Get me off of it!!YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 6:04 pmIdiots, all of them. They can’t admit these players aren’t fully amateurs, so they can’t put them in a bubble. And they also think the world’s fittest 20 year olds are going to die from this virus.
Europe has had much more stringent distancing procedures in place so many never had the influx like the USA.IdaAg93 wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 7:35 pmA simple examination of Europe and you'll see that life goes on after the spike. CV19 will run its course. It's either slow or fast. Masks didn't stop or slow the decline in cases in Europe. This is just fear. It's real, but it is not uncommon to sit people out due to the common flu. Just plain over-reaction. React, but shut down? The overwhelming other consequences are unmeasurable and seem to be forgotten.
Yeah college football massively failed. Their wait and see hope for the best approach was a failure. They had months to put forth a plan and didn't. By the end of April they should have had a system in place and strict rules that while maybe could have been inconvenient for players and fans would have let the show go on. That is why ive said for weeks we were on the road to cancellation. All I was seeing was cancelling different things and postponing others. There was no plan. It was embarassing. I hope basketball is much smarter.Aggiealum13 wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 6:38 pmThe powers of college football took too much of a wait-and-see strategy. A reactionary strategy rather than proactive strategy was the wrong move. I have greater hope for college basketball and here's why. They already cancelled the tournament once, I doubt they cancel it again. It is there main money maker to function as an association, but for the NCAA to make this work, they have to be proactive and not reactive on their strategy. I can understand why they cancelled it last time because the covid-19 hit right when Selection Sunday was about to begin. They didn't have enough time to plan that. This time they do, and I believe they will make this work, even if it means pushing the tournament out a little or do a bubble system of 4 venues (one per bracket). Either way if the NCAA is smart then they can come up with a plan to make this work.
As much as I wish they had the guts to do this, if the P5 cancel, they'll put pressure on the NCAA to force everyone to cancel. That's my guess. Any conference willing to play (if there are any) will be told they can't. Everyone's too scared of looking bad if there's an outbreak.
Not sure who the "powers of college football" are that are different than whoever may be planning for NCAA football.Aggiealum13 wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 6:38 pmThe powers of college football took too much of a wait-and-see strategy. A reactionary strategy rather than proactive strategy was the wrong move. I have greater hope for college basketball and here's why. They already cancelled the tournament once, I doubt they cancel it again. It is there main money maker to function as an association, but for the NCAA to make this work, they have to be proactive and not reactive on their strategy. I can understand why they cancelled it last time because the covid-19 hit right when Selection Sunday was about to begin. They didn't have enough time to plan that. This time they do, and I believe they will make this work, even if it means pushing the tournament out a little or do a bubble system of 4 venues (one per bracket). Either way if the NCAA is smart then they can come up with a plan to make this work.
You were right, but it didn't need to happen like this. They could have put a plan in place to have at least a partial season. It would have been difficult to isolate college kids, but possible if they were prepared. College football failed their players and their fans this year.
No doubt college football leadership failed and could have done a better job with this. In my opinion the players demanding all of these certain things over the last few weeks is what is ultimately pushed this over the edge. No way with the fear of all these players making demands the teams were going to play. I hope everyone is happy. It is unfortunate, but life will move on. I guess i need to take up a new hobby this fall because my favorite past time is all but gone this year.Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 8:23 amYou were right, but it didn't need to happen like this. They could have put a plan in place to have at least a partial season. It would have been difficult to isolate college kids, but possible if they were prepared. College football failed their players and their fans this year.
I agree, which is why the handling of this mess and how everything is portrayed by the media is driving me nuts.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 8:44 amWhat we’ve been witnessing is the first social media driven pandemic. Politicians, businesses, and in this case universities are all responding to the fear and uncertainty that has boiled over from social media and media outlets.
No one wants to be held liable despite the data clearly showing who needs to be careful at this point and who can go back to life as usual.
The death rate is currently at 3% when you include 75 yo and up. It’s much, much less when you don’t. You know what else has a 3 in 100 chance of death? Driving a car.
1. There is not a 3% chance that you die in a car crash. In 2018, the death rate per 100k in the US was ~11.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 8:44 amWhat we’ve been witnessing is the first social media driven pandemic. Politicians, businesses, and in this case universities are all responding to the fear and uncertainty that has boiled over from social media and media outlets.
No one wants to be held liable despite the data clearly showing who needs to be careful at this point and who can go back to life as usual.
The death rate is currently at 3% when you include 75 yo and up. It’s much, much less when you don’t. You know what else has a 3 in 100 chance of death? Driving a car.
Happy day for you.ViAggie wrote:I have no comment
#2 still doesn’t mean what we are doing isn’t an overreaction. We can take precautions against the virus without ending the world over it. It doesn’t have to be all or nothing.thegreendalegelf wrote:1. There is not a 3% chance that you die in a car crash. In 2018, the death rate per 100k in the US was ~11.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 8:44 amWhat we’ve been witnessing is the first social media driven pandemic. Politicians, businesses, and in this case universities are all responding to the fear and uncertainty that has boiled over from social media and media outlets.
No one wants to be held liable despite the data clearly showing who needs to be careful at this point and who can go back to life as usual.
The death rate is currently at 3% when you include 75 yo and up. It’s much, much less when you don’t. You know what else has a 3 in 100 chance of death? Driving a car.
2. We do everything we can to reduce the amount of deaths on the roads. We don't just look at the death rate and say "well thats just fine." Cars are made safer. Traffic laws are made/adjusted/enforced. That is also what is happening with COVID.
3. Most importantly, the different outcomes to a player getting COVID isn't just asymptomatic or death. Multiple college football players are already showing that COVID has given them heart issues to varying degrees. There are also players with preexisting conditions. We can't just say "they won't die" because the outcomes outside of death are numerous and can be a massive impact on the players health after they leave school.
It is even close to that. It is a 0.012% chance of death in a car.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 8:44 amThe death rate is currently at 3% when you include 75 yo and up. It’s much, much less when you don’t. You know what else has a 3 in 100 chance of death? Driving a car.
#2 - Okay, but just saying those things doesn't solve any problems, what are the "precautions" you speak of? No one has come out with any. I don't see a plan... and that's the big problem! What's the plan man???2004AG wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 9:04 am#2 still doesn’t mean what we are doing isn’t an overreaction. We can take precautions against the virus without ending the world over it. It doesn’t have to be all or nothing.thegreendalegelf wrote:1. There is not a 3% chance that you die in a car crash. In 2018, the death rate per 100k in the US was ~11.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 8:44 amWhat we’ve been witnessing is the first social media driven pandemic. Politicians, businesses, and in this case universities are all responding to the fear and uncertainty that has boiled over from social media and media outlets.
No one wants to be held liable despite the data clearly showing who needs to be careful at this point and who can go back to life as usual.
The death rate is currently at 3% when you include 75 yo and up. It’s much, much less when you don’t. You know what else has a 3 in 100 chance of death? Driving a car.
2. We do everything we can to reduce the amount of deaths on the roads. We don't just look at the death rate and say "well thats just fine." Cars are made safer. Traffic laws are made/adjusted/enforced. That is also what is happening with COVID.
3. Most importantly, the different outcomes to a player getting COVID isn't just asymptomatic or death. Multiple college football players are already showing that COVID has given them heart issues to varying degrees. There are also players with preexisting conditions. We can't just say "they won't die" because the outcomes outside of death are numerous and can be a massive impact on the players health after they leave school.
#3 is the risk of getting it greater for football players than the general population? Because lots of players will get it just living their daily lives.
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There are about 227 million licensed drivers in the US. We have less than 40,000 traffic related deaths a year. We've already had over 150,000 COVID-19 deaths. So on its face the deaths rates for the two are vastly different.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 8:44 amWhat we’ve been witnessing is the first social media driven pandemic. Politicians, businesses, and in this case universities are all responding to the fear and uncertainty that has boiled over from social media and media outlets.
No one wants to be held liable despite the data clearly showing who needs to be careful at this point and who can go back to life as usual.
The death rate is currently at 3% when you include 75 yo and up. It’s much, much less when you don’t. You know what else has a 3 in 100 chance of death? Driving a car.
#2 what do you mean nobody has come out with any precautions? Look at every single sports league out there. Follow similar precautions.ViAggie wrote:#2 - Okay, but just saying those things doesn't solve any problems, what are the "precautions" you speak of? No one has come out with any. I don't see a plan... and that's the big problem! What's the plan man???2004AG wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 9:04 am#2 still doesn’t mean what we are doing isn’t an overreaction. We can take precautions against the virus without ending the world over it. It doesn’t have to be all or nothing.thegreendalegelf wrote:1. There is not a 3% chance that you die in a car crash. In 2018, the death rate per 100k in the US was ~11.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 8:44 amWhat we’ve been witnessing is the first social media driven pandemic. Politicians, businesses, and in this case universities are all responding to the fear and uncertainty that has boiled over from social media and media outlets.
No one wants to be held liable despite the data clearly showing who needs to be careful at this point and who can go back to life as usual.
The death rate is currently at 3% when you include 75 yo and up. It’s much, much less when you don’t. You know what else has a 3 in 100 chance of death? Driving a car.
2. We do everything we can to reduce the amount of deaths on the roads. We don't just look at the death rate and say "well thats just fine." Cars are made safer. Traffic laws are made/adjusted/enforced. That is also what is happening with COVID.
3. Most importantly, the different outcomes to a player getting COVID isn't just asymptomatic or death. Multiple college football players are already showing that COVID has given them heart issues to varying degrees. There are also players with preexisting conditions. We can't just say "they won't die" because the outcomes outside of death are numerous and can be a massive impact on the players health after they leave school.
#3 is the risk of getting it greater for football players than the general population? Because lots of players will get it just living their daily lives.
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#3 - have you ever played organized tackle football? If you have, you would know the answer about the risks. Ever been in a bottom of a pile? Ever had someone else's blood all over your own uniform? All it takes is for one player to infect an entire team, the other team they are playing, the coaching staff, their parents, grand parents, the college professors, their family members, etc. You get the point? Is it an "over reaction" to help stop the spread of a disease that could potentially kill you (and this is not hyperbole, sorry)?
BingoMr. Sneelock wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 10:54 amI think it is more about the crowds and the inability to control the spread than about player safety. It sucks. There are no easy answers. I don't think anyone wants to shut down college sports, and I believe that everyone is doing the best they can with the information they have.
documented cases are 5,000,000+ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/). last i saw was that the 'best guess of the folks who are trying to track it' was somewhere between 6 and 24 times greater than that (https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/21/cdc ... -19-cases/)...so 75,000,000ish. that would mean a death rate of 0.002 or 0.2%. That's still an order of magnitude greater than the 0.0134% you reported for automobile deaths, but not 225x greater as suggested above...JSHarvey wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 9:54 amThere are about 227 million licensed drivers in the US. We have less than 40,000 traffic related deaths a year. We've already had over 150,000 COVID-19 deaths. So on its face the deaths rates for the two are vastly different.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 8:44 amWhat we’ve been witnessing is the first social media driven pandemic. Politicians, businesses, and in this case universities are all responding to the fear and uncertainty that has boiled over from social media and media outlets.
No one wants to be held liable despite the data clearly showing who needs to be careful at this point and who can go back to life as usual.
The death rate is currently at 3% when you include 75 yo and up. It’s much, much less when you don’t. You know what else has a 3 in 100 chance of death? Driving a car.
For driving the rate is somewhere around .000134 per driver per year.
For COVID-19 it is a bit harder to calculate as the number of infected folks is unknown but the best guess of the folks who are trying to track it is about 5 million. That gives a death rate of .03.
So driving is "roughly" 300 times "safer" than catching COVID-19.
Two words: Sweden.NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 7:57 pmEurope has had much more stringent distancing procedures in place so many never had the influx like the USA.IdaAg93 wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 7:35 pmA simple examination of Europe and you'll see that life goes on after the spike. CV19 will run its course. It's either slow or fast. Masks didn't stop or slow the decline in cases in Europe. This is just fear. It's real, but it is not uncommon to sit people out due to the common flu. Just plain over-reaction. React, but shut down? The overwhelming other consequences are unmeasurable and seem to be forgotten.
I am not trying to turn this into one of the literally dozens of threads about this that head to the Sandbox, I really wonder if these large crowds are worth the risk considering all of the potential ramifications to more essential businesses.
If it was 2 words wouldn't it be SWEE-DEN?USU78 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 11:59 amTwo words: Sweden.NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 7:57 pmEurope has had much more stringent distancing procedures in place so many never had the influx like the USA.IdaAg93 wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 7:35 pmA simple examination of Europe and you'll see that life goes on after the spike. CV19 will run its course. It's either slow or fast. Masks didn't stop or slow the decline in cases in Europe. This is just fear. It's real, but it is not uncommon to sit people out due to the common flu. Just plain over-reaction. React, but shut down? The overwhelming other consequences are unmeasurable and seem to be forgotten.
I am not trying to turn this into one of the literally dozens of threads about this that head to the Sandbox, I really wonder if these large crowds are worth the risk considering all of the potential ramifications to more essential businesses.
