Morgan Scalley Suspended for Racial Slur

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Re: Morgan Scalley Suspended for Racial Slur

Post by aggies22 » July 1st, 2020, 3:57 pm

With a pay cut and no longer Head Coach-in-waiting.



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Re: Morgan Scalley Suspended for Racial Slur

Post by Imakeitrain » July 1st, 2020, 4:27 pm

aggies22 wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 3:57 pm
With a pay cut and no longer Head Coach-in-waiting.
So I take from this that Utah thinks he was wrong. Took away a title that sounds fake and adjusted his salary close to what a coordinator would make if you aren’t worried about him being poached? (I wonder what changed in the market). He won’t miss a game or practices.

This foot half in stuff always makes me assume the worst of both worlds. He did it, Utah doesn’t have the integrity to do anything about it.



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Re: Morgan Scalley Suspended for Racial Slur

Post by Yossarian » July 1st, 2020, 4:42 pm

Imakeitrain wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 4:27 pm
aggies22 wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 3:57 pm
With a pay cut and no longer Head Coach-in-waiting.
So I take from this that Utah thinks he was wrong. Took away a title that sounds fake and adjusted his salary close to what a coordinator would make if you aren’t worried about him being poached? (I wonder what changed in the market). He won’t miss a game or practices.

This foot half in stuff always makes me assume the worst of both worlds. He did it, Utah doesn’t have the integrity to do anything about it.
I guess we'll see if it becomes detrimental enough to the Utes that it makes sense to take that next step and cut him loose. You can be guaranteed that opposing coaches will use this against Utah in recruiting battles. If it gets to the point that they lose enough of these battles or have to explain away Scalley's comments too often, they may find it easier to release him.



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Re: Morgan Scalley Suspended for Racial Slur

Post by oleblu111 » July 1st, 2020, 5:35 pm

Racism is a ugly thing that was and is still a problem. I'm old enough that I saw Jim Crow laws in the south, that made me sick. Even some religion's practiced racism. The treatment is better, but not near what it should be, Until we judge people by their character, and not their ethnicity, we will have trouble.



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Re: Morgan Scalley Suspended for Racial Slur

Post by Imakeitrain » July 1st, 2020, 5:48 pm

Yossarian wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 4:42 pm
Imakeitrain wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 4:27 pm
aggies22 wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 3:57 pm
With a pay cut and no longer Head Coach-in-waiting.
So I take from this that Utah thinks he was wrong. Took away a title that sounds fake and adjusted his salary close to what a coordinator would make if you aren’t worried about him being poached? (I wonder what changed in the market). He won’t miss a game or practices.

This foot half in stuff always makes me assume the worst of both worlds. He did it, Utah doesn’t have the integrity to do anything about it.
I guess we'll see if it becomes detrimental enough to the Utes that it makes sense to take that next step and cut him loose. You can be guaranteed that opposing coaches will use this against Utah in recruiting battles. If it gets to the point that they lose enough of these battles or have to explain away Scalley's comments too often, they may find it easier to release him.
They can’t back track. That shows too much indecisiveness/ lack of leadership on a hot issue.

They had other options “we are disappointed in Morgan and are determined to help him grow from this. Morgan has committed to donate $500,000 of his next year’s salary to improve the lives of disadvantaged persons....”

“Morgan will step down from DC responsibilities and serve as a co-DC (or other lesser role) in order to lead a new University of Utah initiative to serve people of color by....”

Instead all Utah did is save hundreds of thousands and renegotiate the contract and take advantage of Scalley’s loss of market power.
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Re: Morgan Scalley Suspended for Racial Slur

Post by gomretat » July 1st, 2020, 6:35 pm

I am probably the only one but I think the Utes managed this well and made the right decision. The investigation they conducted was done by an outside firm from KC and from all accounts it was very thorough and well done. There is a lot of reasonableness in what they did and where they landed.



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Re: Morgan Scalley Suspended for Racial Slur

Post by Aggie84025 » July 1st, 2020, 6:59 pm

gomretat wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 6:35 pm
I am probably the only one but I think the Utes managed this well and made the right decision. The investigation they conducted was done by an outside firm from KC and from all accounts it was very thorough and well done. There is a lot of reasonableness in what they did and where they landed.
I agree, what he did was 7 years ago. If it was that big of an issue why wasnt it dealt with then. The player actually signed with Utah. According to the report they interviwed like 30 former players who stood up for him. I certainly dont condone what was said, but its nice to see a good investigation and make a decision that was reasonable. I dont support racism but the political correctness crowd has gotten out of control in my opinion.



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Re: Morgan Scalley Suspended for Racial Slur

Post by USU78 » July 1st, 2020, 8:22 pm



You keep using that word. I do not think that word means what you think it means.

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Re: Morgan Scalley Suspended for Racial Slur

Post by Imakeitrain » July 1st, 2020, 9:49 pm

Aggie84025 wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 6:59 pm
gomretat wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 6:35 pm
I am probably the only one but I think the Utes managed this well and made the right decision. The investigation they conducted was done by an outside firm from KC and from all accounts it was very thorough and well done. There is a lot of reasonableness in what they did and where they landed.
I agree, what he did was 7 years ago. If it was that big of an issue why wasnt it dealt with then. The player actually signed with Utah. According to the report they interviwed like 30 former players who stood up for him. I certainly dont condone what was said, but its nice to see a good investigation and make a decision that was reasonable. I dont support racism but the political correctness crowd has gotten out of control in my opinion.
It’s not about political correctness. Utah is playing to the political correctness crowd without actually doing anything but saving $475,000-ish bucks.

Utah could have done all of what was said. 7
Years ago, other players, isolated incident, he’s super sorry, etc. They didn’t. They played both sides. Work credit for doing nothing but saving money.

The other reason it’s not about political correctness: It’s an N-Bomb. It’s not like he called a flight attendant a stewardess. It’s not like he was 15. 7 years ago Scalley was well into his 30s. He wasn’t some dumb kid.

If Gary Andersen dropped N bombs he would be canned very quickly. Sitake probably doesn’t survive either. I don’t think many if any other PAC or MWC schools would put up with a white coach using that language. Maaaybe Boise. Only Utah do I think this is permitted.
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Re: Morgan Scalley Suspended for Racial Slur

Post by Imakeitrain » Today, 7:00 am

Any thoughts on TCUs Patterson getting in hot water?

Players were routinely using the n-bomb, Patterson told them to stop using the word referring to the word by name (as opposed to n-bomb or n-word).



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Re: Morgan Scalley Suspended for Racial Slur

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » Today, 8:08 am

gomretat wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 6:35 pm
I am probably the only one but I think the Utes managed this well and made the right decision. The investigation they conducted was done by an outside firm from KC and from all accounts it was very thorough and well done. There is a lot of reasonableness in what they did and where they landed.
We won't know for a few years. If he has learned and grown, he should not be held accountable forever for past mistakes on a personal level. People can change and be better. However, we all know this will be used against Utah on the recruiting trail as long as he is on staff. This isn't going away on that front. Utah will be painted as the coaching staff with the DC that uses racial slurs as long as he is on staff.



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Re: Morgan Scalley Suspended for Racial Slur

Post by NVAggie » Today, 10:42 am

I"m all for completely removing every movie, TV show, and song that contains the N word.



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Re: Morgan Scalley Suspended for Racial Slur

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » Today, 11:47 am

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I"m all for completely removing every movie, TV show, and song that contains the N word.
There is a difference between it being used in a work of fiction and someone in a position of leadership referring to a player with the word. I'm not saying he should be fired. People can learn and grow. I am saying it will absolutely be against Utah on the recruiting trail. This also could cost Morgan Scalley a head coaching job down the road whether it be Utah or somewhere else, which is probably for the best for them since Jay Hill would be a better hire.



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Re: Morgan Scalley Suspended for Racial Slur

Post by ratofallaggies » Today, 11:59 am

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
Today, 11:47 am
NVAggie wrote:
Today, 10:42 am
I"m all for completely removing every movie, TV show, and song that contains the N word.
There is a difference between it being used in a work of fiction and someone in a position of leadership referring to a player with the word. I'm not saying he should be fired. People can learn and grow. I am saying it will absolutely be against Utah on the recruiting trail. This also could cost Morgan Scalley a head coaching job down the road whether it be Utah or somewhere else, which is probably for the best for them since Jay Hill would be a better hire.
Patterson wasn't calling anyone the N word.... He was telling one of the players (who had an issue with him) to stop using it. He doesn't have tolerance of ANYONE on the team using that word.



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Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » Today, 12:05 pm

ratofallaggies wrote:
Today, 11:59 am
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
Today, 11:47 am
NVAggie wrote:
Today, 10:42 am
I"m all for completely removing every movie, TV show, and song that contains the N word.
There is a difference between it being used in a work of fiction and someone in a position of leadership referring to a player with the word. I'm not saying he should be fired. People can learn and grow. I am saying it will absolutely be against Utah on the recruiting trail. This also could cost Morgan Scalley a head coaching job down the road whether it be Utah or somewhere else, which is probably for the best for them since Jay Hill would be a better hire.
Patterson wasn't calling anyone the N word.... He was telling one of the players (who had an issue with him) to stop using it. He doesn't have tolerance of ANYONE on the team using that word.
I'm not talking about Gary Patterson.



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Post by ratofallaggies » Today, 12:23 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
Today, 12:05 pm
ratofallaggies wrote:
Today, 11:59 am
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
Today, 11:47 am
NVAggie wrote:
Today, 10:42 am
I"m all for completely removing every movie, TV show, and song that contains the N word.
There is a difference between it being used in a work of fiction and someone in a position of leadership referring to a player with the word. I'm not saying he should be fired. People can learn and grow. I am saying it will absolutely be against Utah on the recruiting trail. This also could cost Morgan Scalley a head coaching job down the road whether it be Utah or somewhere else, which is probably for the best for them since Jay Hill would be a better hire.
Patterson wasn't calling anyone the N word.... He was telling one of the players (who had an issue with him) to stop using it. He doesn't have tolerance of ANYONE on the team using that word.
I'm not talking about Gary Patterson.
My fault, should have read closer



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Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » Today, 12:28 pm

ratofallaggies wrote:
Today, 12:23 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
Today, 12:05 pm
ratofallaggies wrote:
Today, 11:59 am
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
Today, 11:47 am
NVAggie wrote:
Today, 10:42 am
I"m all for completely removing every movie, TV show, and song that contains the N word.
There is a difference between it being used in a work of fiction and someone in a position of leadership referring to a player with the word. I'm not saying he should be fired. People can learn and grow. I am saying it will absolutely be against Utah on the recruiting trail. This also could cost Morgan Scalley a head coaching job down the road whether it be Utah or somewhere else, which is probably for the best for them since Jay Hill would be a better hire.
Patterson wasn't calling anyone the N word.... He was telling one of the players (who had an issue with him) to stop using it. He doesn't have tolerance of ANYONE on the team using that word.
I'm not talking about Gary Patterson.
My fault, should have read closer
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Post by Machismo » Today, 12:30 pm

ratofallaggies wrote:
Today, 11:59 am
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
Today, 11:47 am
NVAggie wrote:
Today, 10:42 am
I"m all for completely removing every movie, TV show, and song that contains the N word.
There is a difference between it being used in a work of fiction and someone in a position of leadership referring to a player with the word. I'm not saying he should be fired. People can learn and grow. I am saying it will absolutely be against Utah on the recruiting trail. This also could cost Morgan Scalley a head coaching job down the road whether it be Utah or somewhere else, which is probably for the best for them since Jay Hill would be a better hire.
Patterson wasn't calling anyone the N word.... He was telling one of the players (who had an issue with him) to stop using it. He doesn't have tolerance of ANYONE on the team using that word.
My kids used to work for The River woods when they were in high school. They helped feed many Teams that came to Logan to play The Aggies. They used to tell me all the Time how prevalent that word was among the Teams. The only Team they singled out not hearing it from was Air Force, Fresno was the worst.


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Re: Morgan Scalley Suspended for Racial Slur

Post by NVAggie » Today, 1:41 pm

If it is such an offensive word, then it shouldn't be used by anyone. I'm all for that.
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Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » Today, 4:01 pm

NVAggie wrote:
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If it is such an offensive word, then it shouldn't be used by anyone. I'm all for that.
Probably not, but there is a difference between a coach in a leadership role that is in the business of recruiting majority black athletes compared to the word being used by Samuel L Jackson in Django Unchained or in rap music.



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Post by NVAggie » Today, 4:24 pm

For the sake of argument, no, I don't see the difference. Is it really bad if you hear it all the time in music and common talk?



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Post by Sl7vk » Today, 5:00 pm

NVAggie wrote:
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For the sake of argument, no, I don't see the difference. Is it really bad if you hear it all the time in music and common talk?
You're not getting it mate. It's bad both times, but there is a difference between high schoolers dropping the f-bomb at the lunch table and the principle firing that same word back at them. It's just not the same.



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Post by hickaggie » Today, 5:16 pm

NVAggie wrote:
Today, 1:41 pm
If it is such an offensive word, then it shouldn't be used by anyone. I'm all for that.
Context, Context, Context. The fact that this new generation has gone so overboard that they want someone fired for spelling out the word in the context of simply telling them not to use it is idiotic beyond belief. Especially, when there is 100% complete double standard for who can say the word in a non-racist context and not be subject to the ridiculous cancel culture. I'm not defending the word but context is everything. Whether you say the word or reference it with another name may be the difference between couth and uncouth and impolite and polite (kind of like saying the f-word or c-word vs. the real word) but if its not used in a racist or derogatory context its nothing more than that.

Maybe this is Sandbox but with the problems we are dealing with right now the fact that this is even a deal, let alone a big deal is evidence of our fiddling while Rome burns and a genuinely naive and unserious society.



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Re: Morgan Scalley Suspended for Racial Slur

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » 11 minutes ago

NVAggie wrote:
Today, 4:24 pm
For the sake of argument, no, I don't see the difference. Is it really bad if you hear it all the time in music and common talk?
I mean this with no disrespect, but you probably should see the difference.



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