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Re: Jordan Love & Gerold Bright busted for smoking weed

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Re: Jordan Love & Gerold Bright busted for smoking weed

Post by GaAggie » December 19th, 2019, 6:48 pm

That's it!?! A warrant to test their urine!?! This is horrible.

https://www.hjnews.com/news/crime_court ... 798c7.html


“There was one report that suggested they were smoking marijuana. No, we never found them smoking marijuana.” Simmons said. “We did not find product or marijuana in the apartment while we were there. We didn’t find any paraphernalia. What our citations were based off of were warrants that had been sought after and approved by a judge to test their urine, and we did that. They tested positive.”



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Re: Jordan Love & Gerold Bright busted for smoking weed

Post by GeorgiaAggie » December 19th, 2019, 6:54 pm

GaAggie wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 6:48 pm
That's it!?! A warrant to test their urine!?! This is horrible.

https://www.hjnews.com/news/crime_court ... 798c7.html


“There was one report that suggested they were smoking marijuana. No, we never found them smoking marijuana.” Simmons said. “We did not find product or marijuana in the apartment while we were there. We didn’t find any paraphernalia. What our citations were based off of were warrants that had been sought after and approved by a judge to test their urine, and we did that. They tested positive.”
This is a bunch of BS. I can see why Gary is so pissed and wants heads to roll. I went to USU in the late 80s and early 90s. I went to parties where people were smoking pot. Even though I never did, if you would of tested my urine, I’m sure it would be positive. This is complete crap.
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Re: Jordan Love & Gerold Bright busted for smoking weed

Post by AgMac » December 19th, 2019, 6:59 pm

GeorgiaAggie wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 6:54 pm
GaAggie wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 6:48 pm
That's it!?! A warrant to test their urine!?! This is horrible.

https://www.hjnews.com/news/crime_court ... 798c7.html


“There was one report that suggested they were smoking marijuana. No, we never found them smoking marijuana.” Simmons said. “We did not find product or marijuana in the apartment while we were there. We didn’t find any paraphernalia. What our citations were based off of were warrants that had been sought after and approved by a judge to test their urine, and we did that. They tested positive.”
This is a bunch of BS. I can see why Gary is so pissed and wants heads to roll. I went to USU in the late 80s and early 90s. I went to parties where people were smoking pot. Even though I never did, if you would of tested my urine, I’m sure it would be positive. This is complete crap.
Bahaha. You legitimately think your urine would have tested positive just for being at a party where people were smoking pot. I'm crying laughing.

Look, be pissed if you think there wasn't probable cause for the warrant, but if the urine tests were positive, these dudes had almost certainly smoked some pot.
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Re: Jordan Love & Gerold Bright busted for smoking weed

Post by Aggie19 » December 19th, 2019, 7:03 pm

GaAggie wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 6:48 pm
That's it!?! A warrant to test their urine!?! This is horrible.

https://www.hjnews.com/news/crime_court ... 798c7.html


“There was one report that suggested they were smoking marijuana. No, we never found them smoking marijuana.” Simmons said. “We did not find product or marijuana in the apartment while we were there. We didn’t find any paraphernalia. What our citations were based off of were warrants that had been sought after and approved by a judge to test their urine, and we did that. They tested positive.”
Can someone explain how if they weren't smoking, they didn't have any product, didn't have any paraphernalia, then what cause do they have to get a warrant? Doesn't there have to be some sort of probable cause?
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Re: Jordan Love & Gerold Bright busted for smoking weed

Post by GeorgiaAggie » December 19th, 2019, 7:05 pm

AgMac wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 6:59 pm
GeorgiaAggie wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 6:54 pm
GaAggie wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 6:48 pm
That's it!?! A warrant to test their urine!?! This is horrible.

https://www.hjnews.com/news/crime_court ... 798c7.html


“There was one report that suggested they were smoking marijuana. No, we never found them smoking marijuana.” Simmons said. “We did not find product or marijuana in the apartment while we were there. We didn’t find any paraphernalia. What our citations were based off of were warrants that had been sought after and approved by a judge to test their urine, and we did that. They tested positive.”
This is a bunch of BS. I can see why Gary is so pissed and wants heads to roll. I went to USU in the late 80s and early 90s. I went to parties where people were smoking pot. Even though I never did, if you would of tested my urine, I’m sure it would be positive. This is complete crap.
Bahaha. You legitimately think your urine would have tested positive just for being at a party where people were smoking pot. I'm crying laughing.

Look, be pissed if you think there wasn't probable cause for the warrant, but if the urine tests were positive, these dudes had almost certainly smoked some pot.
Even if they had smoked it earlier, the fact that they were tested when they were, is complete BS. My college experiences aside.



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Re: Jordan Love & Gerold Bright busted for smoking weed

Post by GameFAQSAggie » December 19th, 2019, 7:14 pm

Here is an article about a number of things that could have caused a positive test. Like secondhand smoke, pain pills, ibuprofen, cold medicine, even poppy seeds from bagels.
https://www.livescience.com/56921-weird ... drugs.html
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Re: Jordan Love & Gerold Bright busted for smoking weed

Post by Imakeitrain » December 19th, 2019, 7:36 pm

We need to get rid of the zero tolerance policy.

My expectation is that this means what zero tolerance often means- ie police are unable to use discretion. They have to pursue it. They are unable to “not further investigate” when they suspect there was marijuana.


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Re: Jordan Love & Gerold Bright busted for smoking weed

Post by AgMac » December 19th, 2019, 7:43 pm

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December 19th, 2019, 7:14 pm
Here is an article about a number of things that could have caused a positive test. Like secondhand smoke, pain pills, ibuprofen, cold medicine, even poppy seeds from bagels.
https://www.livescience.com/56921-weird ... drugs.html
:lol: Yeah, it was probably one of those.

Again. I'm fine if people want to argue that there wasn't enough probable cause for a warrant. But let's save ourselves the embarrassing argument that 7 dudes had poppyseeds and ibuprofen.
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Re: Jordan Love & Gerold Bright busted for smoking weed

Post by MWCFAN12 » December 19th, 2019, 7:45 pm

Imakeitrain wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 7:36 pm
We need to get rid of the zero tolerance policy.

My expectation is that this means what zero tolerance often means- ie police are unable to use discretion. They have to pursue it. They are unable to “not further investigate” when they suspect there was marijuana.
They have discretion. It is just in direct conflict with the number one qualification to be a police officer in the valley..

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Re: Jordan Love & Gerold Bright busted for smoking weed

Post by MWCFAN12 » December 19th, 2019, 7:48 pm

AgMac wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 7:43 pm
GameFAQSAggie wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 7:14 pm
Here is an article about a number of things that could have caused a positive test. Like secondhand smoke, pain pills, ibuprofen, cold medicine, even poppy seeds from bagels.
https://www.livescience.com/56921-weird ... drugs.html
:lol: Yeah, it was probably one of those.

Again. I'm fine if people want to argue that there wasn't enough probable cause for a warrant. But let's save ourselves the embarrassing argument that 7 dudes had poppyseeds and ibuprofen.
To be fair I piss my entire company a couple times (around 15 -18 guys ) a year and I've had several guys come to me and tell me they were going to fail and they didn't. And I've had other guys tell me they would absolutely pass and they didn't. Including a return missionary that had been home for only 3 weeks and I know was cleaned.

I'm not saying any of that happened here but I am saying on an individual basis it can absolutely be wrong



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Re: Jordan Love & Gerold Bright busted for smoking weed

Post by AgMac » December 19th, 2019, 7:54 pm

MWCFAN12 wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 7:48 pm
AgMac wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 7:43 pm
GameFAQSAggie wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 7:14 pm
Here is an article about a number of things that could have caused a positive test. Like secondhand smoke, pain pills, ibuprofen, cold medicine, even poppy seeds from bagels.
https://www.livescience.com/56921-weird ... drugs.html
:lol: Yeah, it was probably one of those.

Again. I'm fine if people want to argue that there wasn't enough probable cause for a warrant. But let's save ourselves the embarrassing argument that 7 dudes had poppyseeds and ibuprofen.
To be fair I piss my entire company a couple times (around 15 -18 guys ) a year and I've had several guys come to me and tell me they were going to fail and they didn't. And I've had other guys tell me they would absolutely pass and they didn't. Including a return missionary that had been home for only 3 weeks and I know was cleaned.

I'm not saying any of that happened here but I am saying on an individual basis it can absolutely be wrong
Yeah, I'm involved with it at my work as well, from the legal side. Like I said, it's just silly to go down this road.



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Post by BLUERUFiO » December 19th, 2019, 7:59 pm

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Post by Sl7vk » December 19th, 2019, 8:14 pm

Logan PD has some splaining to do.
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Re: Jordan Love & Gerold Bright busted for smoking weed

Post by AgMac » December 19th, 2019, 8:19 pm

Sl7vk wrote:
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Logan PD has some splaining to do.
If they got a warrant, it's on the judge. But don't worry, judges always like to say that other judges made a mistake. :sarcasm:



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Re: Jordan Love & Gerold Bright busted for smoking weed

Post by Imakeitrain » December 19th, 2019, 8:24 pm

MWCFAN12 wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 7:45 pm
Imakeitrain wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 7:36 pm
We need to get rid of the zero tolerance policy.

My expectation is that this means what zero tolerance often means- ie police are unable to use discretion. They have to pursue it. They are unable to “not further investigate” when they suspect there was marijuana.
They have discretion. It is just in direct conflict with the number one qualification to be a police officer in the valley..

1. BE A COMPLETE AS$ HOLE
But they have a zero tolerance policy. Its ingrained at a much higher level.

I'm not sure how it manifests in practice in Logan- But often times if there is a zero tolerance policy and the officers did NOT pursue there could be various levels of consequences on the officers.

Sometimes zero tolerance is a good thing. We should have zero tolerance for people who drive while intoxicated. Typically that limit is .08 and in Utah it is .05... You can still get a DWI/DUI in states with a .05 BAC in states that have a .08 limit but the officers are allowed to use discretion. But above that they cannot.

https://www.loganutah.org/government/de ... /drugs.php

I dont know if it's a department policy or a county/city policy- but if that is the policy, and my understanding of the policy is correct- Officers literally have no choice other than move to another department but to enforce the rule.


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Post by bluegrouse » December 19th, 2019, 8:28 pm

So they saw no smoking, found no weed or paraphernalia but they still decided to bother a judge for a search warrant for urine samples??? And the judge granted a search warrant on that basis??? That is messed up shizz right there. Really, really pathetic.
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Post by Sl7vk » December 19th, 2019, 8:30 pm

AgMac wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 8:19 pm
Sl7vk wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 8:14 pm
Logan PD has some splaining to do.
If they got a warrant, it's on the judge. But don't worry, judges always like to say that other judges made a mistake. :sarcasm:
Cops ask for the warrant right?



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Post by bluegrouse » December 19th, 2019, 8:33 pm

Imakeitrain wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 8:24 pm
MWCFAN12 wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 7:45 pm
Imakeitrain wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 7:36 pm
We need to get rid of the zero tolerance policy.

My expectation is that this means what zero tolerance often means- ie police are unable to use discretion. They have to pursue it. They are unable to “not further investigate” when they suspect there was marijuana.
They have discretion. It is just in direct conflict with the number one qualification to be a police officer in the valley..

1. BE A COMPLETE AS$ HOLE
But they have a zero tolerance policy. Its ingrained at a much higher level.

I'm not sure how it manifests in practice in Logan- But often times if there is a zero tolerance policy and the officers did NOT pursue there could be various levels of consequences on the officers.

Sometimes zero tolerance is a good thing. We should have zero tolerance for people who drive while intoxicated. Typically that limit is .08 and in Utah it is .05... You can still get a DWI/DUI in states with a .05 BAC in states that have a .08 limit but the officers are allowed to use discretion. But above that they cannot.

https://www.loganutah.org/government/de ... /drugs.php

I dont know if it's a department policy or a county/city policy- but if that is the policy, and my understanding of the policy is correct- Officers literally have no choice other than move to another department but to enforce the rule.
That policy is obviously focused on narcotics and addiction if you read the page. Smoking a joint in your own apartment is about the equivalent of drinking a beer in your own basement during Prohibition. To go to the lengths to get warrants when no evidence was seen or found is absurd.



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Post by bigskysbro » December 19th, 2019, 8:43 pm

Would it be wrong of me to call Logan PD and let them know I'm coming to Logan in a couple weeks from Washington state and ask if they are gonna get a search warrant for my piss if I'm pulled over? For the record I don't smoke pot (anymore) but what a giant crock of sh!t



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Post by AgMac » December 19th, 2019, 8:43 pm

Sl7vk wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 8:30 pm
AgMac wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 8:19 pm
Sl7vk wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 8:14 pm
Logan PD has some splaining to do.
If they got a warrant, it's on the judge. But don't worry, judges always like to say that other judges made a mistake. :sarcasm:
Cops ask for the warrant right?
Right, but you were implying they did something wrong. They quite literally 'splained their limited basis to a judge and he thought it was enough.



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Post by Sl7vk » December 19th, 2019, 8:46 pm

AgMac wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 8:43 pm
Sl7vk wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 8:30 pm
AgMac wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 8:19 pm
Sl7vk wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 8:14 pm
Logan PD has some splaining to do.
If they got a warrant, it's on the judge. But don't worry, judges always like to say that other judges made a mistake. :sarcasm:
Cops ask for the warrant right?
Right, but you were implying they did something wrong. They quite literally 'splained their limited basis to a judge and he thought it was enough.
Then their splainin should revolve on why they aren’t the losers they appear to be.



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Post by dyedblue » December 19th, 2019, 8:47 pm

Those whole thread is ridiculous. This whole thread Democrats why we have a legal system with checks and balances in the first place. None of us, I mean none of us have the facts. Not the police, not the defense stormiest, not the media, not the coaches, not the judge that signed the warrant, not the fans. Nobody but the players. Everyone at this point is just doing their jobs.


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Post by AgMac » December 19th, 2019, 9:06 pm

Sl7vk wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 8:46 pm
Then their splainin should revolve on why they aren’t the losers they appear to be.
Yeah, pigs. Good luck explaining why cops are enforcing laws. Losers.



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Post by Imakeitrain » December 19th, 2019, 9:16 pm

bluegrouse wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 8:33 pm
Imakeitrain wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 8:24 pm
MWCFAN12 wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 7:45 pm
Imakeitrain wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 7:36 pm
We need to get rid of the zero tolerance policy.

My expectation is that this means what zero tolerance often means- ie police are unable to use discretion. They have to pursue it. They are unable to “not further investigate” when they suspect there was marijuana.
They have discretion. It is just in direct conflict with the number one qualification to be a police officer in the valley..

1. BE A COMPLETE AS$ HOLE
But they have a zero tolerance policy. Its ingrained at a much higher level.

I'm not sure how it manifests in practice in Logan- But often times if there is a zero tolerance policy and the officers did NOT pursue there could be various levels of consequences on the officers.

Sometimes zero tolerance is a good thing. We should have zero tolerance for people who drive while intoxicated. Typically that limit is .08 and in Utah it is .05... You can still get a DWI/DUI in states with a .05 BAC in states that have a .08 limit but the officers are allowed to use discretion. But above that they cannot.

https://www.loganutah.org/government/de ... /drugs.php

I dont know if it's a department policy or a county/city policy- but if that is the policy, and my understanding of the policy is correct- Officers literally have no choice other than move to another department but to enforce the rule.
That policy is obviously focused on narcotics and addiction if you read the page. Smoking a joint in your own apartment is about the equivalent of drinking a beer in your own basement during Prohibition. To go to the lengths to get warrants when no evidence was seen or found is absurd.

I dont come to that same conclusion after re-reading the page. They hyperlink to a page about marijuana and they have a picture of what I believe is a large amount of marijuana. What makes you conclude that they are only talking about narcotics?

I agree that it shouldnt be as big of a deal, I just dont know if police have leeway. Zero Tolerance policies is literally how you have kids getting suspended for school for biting their pop tart into the shape of a gun. Administrators of the law do not necessarily have a choice.
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Post by Sl7vk » December 19th, 2019, 9:17 pm

AgMac wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 9:06 pm
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Then their splainin should revolve on why they aren’t the losers they appear to be.
Yeah, pigs. Good luck explaining why cops are enforcing laws. Losers.
Your enforcing of a law is my invasion of privacy. If you don’t mind living in a police state than fine, I’ll pass.



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Post by dyedblue » December 19th, 2019, 9:17 pm

The anger against the cops should be directed against your legislators that make the laws and associated penalties. It should also be directed at the federal government that still has marijuana as a schedule 1 drug and a federal crime to possess or use - despite wrist many states including Utah are doing.

I have not taken sides on the situation because I don’t know what the facts are. If we are going to have a discussion on whether marijuana should be legalized or not, that is a whole different discussion that is independent of whether it involves or starting QB and RB days before their last football game.


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Post by AgMac » December 19th, 2019, 9:33 pm

Sl7vk wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 9:17 pm
AgMac wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 9:06 pm
Sl7vk wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 8:46 pm
Then their splainin should revolve on why they aren’t the losers they appear to be.
Yeah, pigs. Good luck explaining why cops are enforcing laws. Losers.
Your enforcing of a law is my invasion of privacy. If you don’t mind living in a police state than fine, I’ll pass.
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Post by hickaggie » December 19th, 2019, 9:40 pm

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December 19th, 2019, 6:48 pm
That's it!?! A warrant to test their urine!?! This is horrible.

https://www.hjnews.com/news/crime_court ... 798c7.html


“There was one report that suggested they were smoking marijuana. No, we never found them smoking marijuana.” Simmons said. “We did not find product or marijuana in the apartment while we were there. We didn’t find any paraphernalia. What our citations were based off of were warrants that had been sought after and approved by a judge to test their urine, and we did that. They tested positive.”
What probable cause were the damn warrants based on when they didn't find anything. What (I can't express myself without swearing). I forgot how Logan cops operate. They can't prove a thing because they can't prove where their metabolytes were consumed. Urine tests go back 30-45 days and don't actually show marijuana. Merely THC metabolytes.

Those tests should be suppressed.
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Post by BeNo » December 19th, 2019, 9:48 pm

MWCFAN12 wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 7:48 pm
AgMac wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 7:43 pm
GameFAQSAggie wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 7:14 pm
Here is an article about a number of things that could have caused a positive test. Like secondhand smoke, pain pills, ibuprofen, cold medicine, even poppy seeds from bagels.
https://www.livescience.com/56921-weird ... drugs.html
:lol: Yeah, it was probably one of those.

Again. I'm fine if people want to argue that there wasn't enough probable cause for a warrant. But let's save ourselves the embarrassing argument that 7 dudes had poppyseeds and ibuprofen.
To be fair I piss my entire company a couple times (around 15 -18 guys ) a year and I've had several guys come to me and tell me they were going to fail and they didn't. And I've had other guys tell me they would absolutely pass and they didn't. Including a return missionary that had been home for only 3 weeks and I know was cleaned.

I'm not saying any of that happened here but I am saying on an individual basis it can absolutely be wrong
My experience is similar. Confessions prior to negative urine test results. So now we do hair tests. And now that I think about it we had someone decline employment because they smoke weed and their current firm does not test for drugs.



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Re: Jordan Love & Gerold Bright busted for smoking weed

Post by JonnyCienPesos » December 19th, 2019, 9:58 pm

The judges just rubber stamp the warrants. They often come in late at night electronically and they just sign off on them. That appears to be what happened here.


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Re: Jordan Love & Gerold Bright busted for smoking weed

Post by bluegrouse » December 19th, 2019, 10:14 pm

I’m generally very supportive of law enforcement but this just seems beyond ridiculous. I had a neighbor that smoked weed all the time when I lived in my last house and a neighbor directly below me in my condo now that smokes on his balcony. If I called SLC PD, I highly doubt they even send somebody out. Probably just laugh and say they have more important things to do. Same state, same laws.



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Re: Jordan Love & Gerold Bright busted for smoking weed

Post by MWCFAN12 » December 19th, 2019, 11:10 pm

dyedblue wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 8:47 pm
Those whole thread is ridiculous. This whole thread Democrats why we have a legal system with checks and balances in the first place. None of us, I mean none of us have the facts. Not the police, not the defense stormiest, not the media, not the coaches, not the judge that signed the warrant, not the fans. Nobody but the players. Everyone at this point is just doing their jobs.


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I disagree I stated a few facts here

1. I was not invited and I'm not happy about it.
2. Prerequisite for being a cop in this Valley is you also have to be an a$$ HOLE.
3. I've had employees pass and fail drug test when they shouldn't have done either.

All three of these are in fact factual facts.



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Re: Jordan Love & Gerold Bright busted for smoking weed

Post by Aglicious » December 19th, 2019, 11:17 pm

hickaggie wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 9:40 pm
GaAggie wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 6:48 pm
That's it!?! A warrant to test their urine!?! This is horrible.

https://www.hjnews.com/news/crime_court ... 798c7.html


“There was one report that suggested they were smoking marijuana. No, we never found them smoking marijuana.” Simmons said. “We did not find product or marijuana in the apartment while we were there. We didn’t find any paraphernalia. What our citations were based off of were warrants that had been sought after and approved by a judge to test their urine, and we did that. They tested positive.”
What probable cause were the damn warrants based on when they didn't find anything. What (I can't express myself without swearing). I forgot how Logan cops operate. They can't prove a thing because they can't prove where their metabolytes were consumed. Urine tests go back 30-45 days and don't actually show marijuana. Merely THC metabolytes.

Those tests should be suppressed.
Apparently based on nothing but a "tip" phone call that someone suspected there was some smokin going on. Honestly that is all that is left.



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