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3aggies22 wrote:But, but there's two Starbucks!TheAKAggie wrote: ↑December 1st, 2019, 8:31 pmI doubt a Culver’s and a second Costa Vida will be enough to sway them.Sl7vk wrote:One mans trash is another’s treasure.
Logan has changed a lot since he was here anyway.
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Are you counting the one inside Smiths?aggies22 wrote: ↑December 1st, 2019, 8:49 pmBut, but there's two Starbucks!TheAKAggie wrote: ↑December 1st, 2019, 8:31 pmI doubt a Culver’s and a second Costa Vida will be enough to sway them.Sl7vk wrote:One mans trash is another’s treasure.
Logan has changed a lot since he was here anyway.
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I am not. So there's three!!YouEssYou wrote: ↑December 1st, 2019, 9:24 pmAre you counting the one inside Smiths?aggies22 wrote: ↑December 1st, 2019, 8:49 pmBut, but there's two Starbucks!TheAKAggie wrote: ↑December 1st, 2019, 8:31 pmI doubt a Culver’s and a second Costa Vida will be enough to sway them.Sl7vk wrote:One mans trash is another’s treasure.
Logan has changed a lot since he was here anyway.
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-Yup, this is true. We now have an up-to-date press box
-3 Starbucks as pointed out earlier
-Krispy Kreme
-Lucky Slice Pizza
-Even Stevens
-Del Taco
-Wingers reopened in the mall
-A second Costa Vida will open up soon along with a second Marriott
-Hampton In on 200 N so his family has a place to stay when the come to visit
-Center Street Development just finished
-There are less farmer’s fields...which in my opinion is unfortunate...but maybe Mrs. Orlando would dig that.
-The Cooper Mill came back and went, so we don’t have that going for us
-Movies 5 is gone out north, so if his family wants close access to movies they should maybe find a place in central Logan or in Providence
-Sweeto Burrito
-We lost Shopko and Macey’s on 400 N....suppose coach Orlando is an entrepreneur at heart, he has two prime locations to open something big
-Cherry Peak is now a thing. It wasn’t open with his first stint.
-He may not be able to do graffiti on the water towers this time. They have really cracked down on that, but a new trail system has really developed so he may find that enticing.
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Re: Texas fires Orlando
No we don't. He might be better than our current DC, but he is definitely not better than Orlando. Last year's defensive success was because of Patterson. When I saw how conservative Maile would call defensive plays (and our cornerbacks would be 100-150 yards off the line of scrimmage--sometimes in the stands watching the game with the fans instead of guarding the receivers), I remember thinking to myself, this makes sense, he played for Brent Guy. As has been pointed out many times, our best defenses have been when we were extremely aggressive, and that is not Maile's style. I think he is a great guy and glad he is still on our staff, but I would be less than excited if we were to make him our DC again.
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A 3-4 defense lends itself to aggression by its very nature. The 4-3 alignment didn't serve us at all well this season and that the 4-3 continued to be our basic set during the year continued to confirm the inability of Ena to use the talent on hand he inherited from the 2018 season.
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The biggest issue this yr was our LB's inability to hit their gaps quickly. Woody was great until his injury, once he went down our D really struggled. Go watch the NM game again our LB's were very tenative on reading their keys and hitting the right gaps. When they were in position to make a decision the backs would bounce to the outside and our backers didn't have the speed to bounce it and make the tackle. There were a lot of missed tackles by this group on Sat.
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Re: Texas fires Orlando
I’m a Texas season ticket holder... a couple of thoughts on Orlando:
- He didn’t coach the same aggressive defense at UT as he did at USU
- His defense was ranked >100 this year. This with Almost all 5 and 4 star players... granted it was a young defense and a lot of injuries. Still >100
- Texas is the number 2 money program last year, will be 1 this year and has the state with really high end recruiting talent and established recruiting pipelines which have led to top 5 recruiting ranks over the last 3 years. They also pay key assistants 2X what USU will pay HCs. Additionally single game tickets can cost as much as season tickets at smaller schools. Expectations should be high
- Todd is an east coast guy, I have some friends I’m common. They didn’t hate Logan but we’re ready to get further east. I think we’ll see him take a season off and get back to a DC role in a tier 2 P5 conference team.
- He didn’t coach the same aggressive defense at UT as he did at USU
- His defense was ranked >100 this year. This with Almost all 5 and 4 star players... granted it was a young defense and a lot of injuries. Still >100
- Texas is the number 2 money program last year, will be 1 this year and has the state with really high end recruiting talent and established recruiting pipelines which have led to top 5 recruiting ranks over the last 3 years. They also pay key assistants 2X what USU will pay HCs. Additionally single game tickets can cost as much as season tickets at smaller schools. Expectations should be high
- Todd is an east coast guy, I have some friends I’m common. They didn’t hate Logan but we’re ready to get further east. I think we’ll see him take a season off and get back to a DC role in a tier 2 P5 conference team.
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Once global warming really starts kicking in Orlando's wife is really going to be kicking herself.
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I want guys that are "all in for USU" .. Orlando was never that or ever going to be that. Frank is.ususports wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2019, 12:40 amNo we don't. He might be better than our current DC, but he is definitely not better than Orlando. Last year's defensive success was because of Patterson. When I saw how conservative Maile would call defensive plays (and our cornerbacks would be 100-150 yards off the line of scrimmage--sometimes in the stands watching the game with the fans instead of guarding the receivers), I remember thinking to myself, this makes sense, he played for Brent Guy. As has been pointed out many times, our best defenses have been when we were extremely aggressive, and that is not Maile's style. I think he is a great guy and glad he is still on our staff, but I would be less than excited if we were to make him our DC again.
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Frank, bless him, may be all in for Utah State but I've not seen the performance out of him yet that would make him into a stellar D C.
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After the way he handled the team at the end of last year, I'd support of Frank as our next HC whenever that's a need.NavyBlueAggie wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2019, 5:54 pmFrank, bless him, may be all in for Utah State but I've not seen the performance out of him yet that would make him into a stellar D C.
I didn't feel that way before the bowl game, but he changed my mind.
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Frank is all in for Utah State and single handedly held this team together last year after the bowl game. That dude has earned anything that comes his way.NavyBlueAggie wrote:Frank, bless him, may be all in for Utah State but I've not seen the performance out of him yet that would make him into a stellar D C.
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All things being equal, loyalty should definitely be a factor, but in this case, the two people being compared are not equal (Orlando was a better DC). If being “all in for USU” is the highest priority, let’s call Duryea and tell him he can have his job back. Again, I am not ragging on Maile. Glad he is here, I appreciate what he did when the rest of the staff took off for TT last year, but it is silly to say he is a better DC than Orlando and saying “he is all in for USU” as a reason for justification.MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2019, 2:05 pmI want guys that are "all in for USU" .. Orlando was never that or ever going to be that. Frank is.ususports wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2019, 12:40 amNo we don't. He might be better than our current DC, but he is definitely not better than Orlando. Last year's defensive success was because of Patterson. When I saw how conservative Maile would call defensive plays (and our cornerbacks would be 100-150 yards off the line of scrimmage--sometimes in the stands watching the game with the fans instead of guarding the receivers), I remember thinking to myself, this makes sense, he played for Brent Guy. As has been pointed out many times, our best defenses have been when we were extremely aggressive, and that is not Maile's style. I think he is a great guy and glad he is still on our staff, but I would be less than excited if we were to make him our DC again.
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While I absolutely do not want to diminish what Frank was able to accomplish last bowl season, we need to acknowledge that Stacy Collins was a big part of that as well.dyedblue wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2019, 6:22 pmFrank is all in for Utah State and single handedly held this team together last year after the bowl game. That dude has earned anything that comes his way.NavyBlueAggie wrote:Frank, bless him, may be all in for Utah State but I've not seen the performance out of him yet that would make him into a stellar D C.
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Think you have to throw some credit at Nyborg and Collins on that front as well. Triple handed!dyedblue wrote:Frank is all in for Utah State and single handedly held this team together last year after the bowl game. That dude has earned anything that comes his way.NavyBlueAggie wrote:Frank, bless him, may be all in for Utah State but I've not seen the performance out of him yet that would make him into a stellar D C.
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Duly noted AK and ‘22
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Todd was fired by UCONN, FIU, and Texas.. He was good at USU for 1-1/2 years with players he didn't get here same with Houston same with Texas. Todd is good with other coaches players .ususports wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2019, 2:28 amAll things being equal, loyalty should definitely be a factor, but in this case, the two people being compared are not equal (Orlando was a better DC). If being “all in for USU” is the highest priority, let’s call Duryea and tell him he can have his job back. Again, I am not ragging on Maile. Glad he is here, I appreciate what he did when the rest of the staff took off for TT last year, but it is silly to say he is a better DC than Orlando and saying “he is all in for USU” as a reason for justification.MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2019, 2:05 pmI want guys that are "all in for USU" .. Orlando was never that or ever going to be that. Frank is.ususports wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2019, 12:40 amNo we don't. He might be better than our current DC, but he is definitely not better than Orlando. Last year's defensive success was because of Patterson. When I saw how conservative Maile would call defensive plays (and our cornerbacks would be 100-150 yards off the line of scrimmage--sometimes in the stands watching the game with the fans instead of guarding the receivers), I remember thinking to myself, this makes sense, he played for Brent Guy. As has been pointed out many times, our best defenses have been when we were extremely aggressive, and that is not Maile's style. I think he is a great guy and glad he is still on our staff, but I would be less than excited if we were to make him our DC again.
Todd as a DC
2019 Texas 28.91 PPG
2018 Texas 26.07 PPG
2017 Texas 19.92 PPG
2016 Houston 23.46 PPG
2015 Houston 22.14 PPG
2014 USU 19.7 PPG
2013 USU 17.1 PPG
2012 FIU 31.7 PPG
2011 FIU 19.5 PPG
Red highlights the low PPG at at school
I doubt it is coincidence that is best years are always his 1st year. Todd isn't that good. He had a good 2 years here and very average everywhere eles.
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Re: Texas fires Orlando
I don't think he was fired by UConn or FIU. You have a link or something on that?MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 1:22 pmTodd was fired by UCONN, FIU, and Texas.. He was good at USU for 1-1/2 years with players he didn't get here same with Houston same with Texas. Todd is good with other coaches players .ususports wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2019, 2:28 amAll things being equal, loyalty should definitely be a factor, but in this case, the two people being compared are not equal (Orlando was a better DC). If being “all in for USU” is the highest priority, let’s call Duryea and tell him he can have his job back. Again, I am not ragging on Maile. Glad he is here, I appreciate what he did when the rest of the staff took off for TT last year, but it is silly to say he is a better DC than Orlando and saying “he is all in for USU” as a reason for justification.MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2019, 2:05 pmI want guys that are "all in for USU" .. Orlando was never that or ever going to be that. Frank is.ususports wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2019, 12:40 amNo we don't. He might be better than our current DC, but he is definitely not better than Orlando. Last year's defensive success was because of Patterson. When I saw how conservative Maile would call defensive plays (and our cornerbacks would be 100-150 yards off the line of scrimmage--sometimes in the stands watching the game with the fans instead of guarding the receivers), I remember thinking to myself, this makes sense, he played for Brent Guy. As has been pointed out many times, our best defenses have been when we were extremely aggressive, and that is not Maile's style. I think he is a great guy and glad he is still on our staff, but I would be less than excited if we were to make him our DC again.
Todd as a DC
2019 Texas 28.91 PPG
2018 Texas 26.07 PPG
2017 Texas 19.92 PPG
2016 Houston 23.46 PPG
2015 Houston 22.14 PPG
2014 USU 19.7 PPG
2013 USU 17.1 PPG
2012 FIU 31.7 PPG
2011 FIU 19.5 PPG
Red highlights the low PPG at at school
I doubt it is coincidence that is best years are always his 1st year. Todd isn't that good. He had a good 2 years here and very average everywhere eles.
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Re: Texas fires Orlando
When Maile was Co-Defensive Coordinator (and the Co indicates he wasn't good enough to be named the main guy all stats aside) our numbers were:Intermeddler wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 2:25 pmI don't think he was fired by UConn or FIU. You have a link or something on that?MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 1:22 pmTodd was fired by UCONN, FIU, and Texas.. He was good at USU for 1-1/2 years with players he didn't get here same with Houston same with Texas. Todd is good with other coaches players .ususports wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2019, 2:28 amAll things being equal, loyalty should definitely be a factor, but in this case, the two people being compared are not equal (Orlando was a better DC). If being “all in for USU” is the highest priority, let’s call Duryea and tell him he can have his job back. Again, I am not ragging on Maile. Glad he is here, I appreciate what he did when the rest of the staff took off for TT last year, but it is silly to say he is a better DC than Orlando and saying “he is all in for USU” as a reason for justification.MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2019, 2:05 pmI want guys that are "all in for USU" .. Orlando was never that or ever going to be that. Frank is.ususports wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2019, 12:40 amNo we don't. He might be better than our current DC, but he is definitely not better than Orlando. Last year's defensive success was because of Patterson. When I saw how conservative Maile would call defensive plays (and our cornerbacks would be 100-150 yards off the line of scrimmage--sometimes in the stands watching the game with the fans instead of guarding the receivers), I remember thinking to myself, this makes sense, he played for Brent Guy. As has been pointed out many times, our best defenses have been when we were extremely aggressive, and that is not Maile's style. I think he is a great guy and glad he is still on our staff, but I would be less than excited if we were to make him our DC again.
Todd as a DC
2019 Texas 28.91 PPG
2018 Texas 26.07 PPG
2017 Texas 19.92 PPG
2016 Houston 23.46 PPG
2015 Houston 22.14 PPG
2014 USU 19.7 PPG
2013 USU 17.1 PPG
2012 FIU 31.7 PPG
2011 FIU 19.5 PPG
Red highlights the low PPG at at school
I doubt it is coincidence that is best years are always his 1st year. Todd isn't that good. He had a good 2 years here and very average everywhere eles.
2016 - 29.3 PPG Allowed
2017 - 26.9 PPG Allowed
2018 - 22.23 PPG Allowed (and if anyone thinks that Patterson was not the main reason for the drastic improvement is only kidding themselves).
You are making a much bigger deal of this than I ever intended with my comments, but whether you think Orlando is good or not, he was still a better coordinator at USU than Maile using your own numbers.
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Re: Texas fires Orlando
No link, but here's the info.Intermeddler wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 2:25 pmI don't think he was fired by UConn or FIU. You have a link or something on that?
At the end of the 2010 season, Randy Edsall left UConn to be the head coach at Maryland. He hired Todd Bradford to be his defensive coordinator, leaving Todd Orlando unemployed. Mario Cristobal then hired Todd Orlando in January 2011 to be the DC at FIU...so no he wasn't fired by UConn.
Mario Cristobal was then fired by FIU in December 2012 and thus his staff was also relieved of their duties. Todd Orlando was then hired by Matt Wells as our DC in February 2013. So, I guess technically he wasn't fired by FIU either, just his boss was.
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Helpful. Thanks. So the victim of coaching changes (good and bad) but not terminated in the same manner as he was by Texas.Floppy Hat wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 3:40 pmNo link, but here's the info.Intermeddler wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 2:25 pmI don't think he was fired by UConn or FIU. You have a link or something on that?
At the end of the 2010 season, Randy Edsall left UConn to be the head coach at Maryland. He hired Todd Bradford to be his defensive coordinator, leaving Todd Orlando unemployed. Mario Cristobal then hired Todd Orlando in January 2011 to be the DC at FIU...so no he wasn't fired by UConn.
Mario Cristobal was then fired by FIU in December 2012 and thus his staff was also relieved of their duties. Todd Orlando was then hired by Matt Wells as our DC in February 2013. So, I guess technically he wasn't fired by FIU either, just his boss was.
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Intermeddler wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 4:06 pmHelpful. Thanks. So the victim of coaching changes (good and bad) but not terminated in the same manner as he was by Texas.Floppy Hat wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 3:40 pmNo link, but here's the info.Intermeddler wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 2:25 pmI don't think he was fired by UConn or FIU. You have a link or something on that?
At the end of the 2010 season, Randy Edsall left UConn to be the head coach at Maryland. He hired Todd Bradford to be his defensive coordinator, leaving Todd Orlando unemployed. Mario Cristobal then hired Todd Orlando in January 2011 to be the DC at FIU...so no he wasn't fired by UConn.
Mario Cristobal was then fired by FIU in December 2012 and thus his staff was also relieved of their duties. Todd Orlando was then hired by Matt Wells as our DC in February 2013. So, I guess technically he wasn't fired by FIU either, just his boss was.
Very few assistants are ever truly fired. ( doubt he was at Texas ) nearly all assistants sign 1 year contract and when they are "fired" it means they just didn't renew their contract. Contracts run out at the end of the regular season usually.
There are a few OC/DC that have a rolling contract. Todd may have had one at Texas but that's it. (arandas is a 3 year rolling )
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Yes, but there is a difference between your HC taking a different job or being fired and the new guy not retaining you and your current HC telling you that you are not cutting it and not renewing or terminating your employment. It appears this is the first time the latter has happened to Orlando.MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 7:15 pmIntermeddler wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 4:06 pmHelpful. Thanks. So the victim of coaching changes (good and bad) but not terminated in the same manner as he was by Texas.Floppy Hat wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 3:40 pmNo link, but here's the info.Intermeddler wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 2:25 pmI don't think he was fired by UConn or FIU. You have a link or something on that?
At the end of the 2010 season, Randy Edsall left UConn to be the head coach at Maryland. He hired Todd Bradford to be his defensive coordinator, leaving Todd Orlando unemployed. Mario Cristobal then hired Todd Orlando in January 2011 to be the DC at FIU...so no he wasn't fired by UConn.
Mario Cristobal was then fired by FIU in December 2012 and thus his staff was also relieved of their duties. Todd Orlando was then hired by Matt Wells as our DC in February 2013. So, I guess technically he wasn't fired by FIU either, just his boss was.
Very few assistants are ever truly fired. ( doubt he was at Texas ) nearly all assistants sign 1 year contract and when they are "fired" it means they just didn't renew their contract. Contracts run out at the end of the regular season usually.
There are a few OC/DC that have a rolling contract. Todd may have had one at Texas but that's it. (arandas is a 3 year rolling )
And Orlando was guaranteed through March of 2020, so yes, he was truly fired.
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Tell Orlando to contact Duryea. He might be able to get the rest of that contract money.Intermeddler wrote: ↑December 5th, 2019, 11:07 amYes, but there is a difference between your HC taking a different job or being fired and the new guy not retaining you and your current HC telling you that you are not cutting it and not renewing or terminating your employment. It appears this is the first time the latter has happened to Orlando.MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 7:15 pmIntermeddler wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 4:06 pmHelpful. Thanks. So the victim of coaching changes (good and bad) but not terminated in the same manner as he was by Texas.Floppy Hat wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 3:40 pmNo link, but here's the info.Intermeddler wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 2:25 pmI don't think he was fired by UConn or FIU. You have a link or something on that?
At the end of the 2010 season, Randy Edsall left UConn to be the head coach at Maryland. He hired Todd Bradford to be his defensive coordinator, leaving Todd Orlando unemployed. Mario Cristobal then hired Todd Orlando in January 2011 to be the DC at FIU...so no he wasn't fired by UConn.
Mario Cristobal was then fired by FIU in December 2012 and thus his staff was also relieved of their duties. Todd Orlando was then hired by Matt Wells as our DC in February 2013. So, I guess technically he wasn't fired by FIU either, just his boss was.
Very few assistants are ever truly fired. ( doubt he was at Texas ) nearly all assistants sign 1 year contract and when they are "fired" it means they just didn't renew their contract. Contracts run out at the end of the regular season usually.
There are a few OC/DC that have a rolling contract. Todd may have had one at Texas but that's it. (arandas is a 3 year rolling )
And Orlando was guaranteed through March of 2020, so yes, he was truly fired.
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It has been reported that Orlando made very good money while at Texas. I thought he did wonders while in Logan and don't expect him to go begging for work if he chooses to continue coaching..
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So you are saying the defense got better every year with Frank at DC and got worse every year with Todd was DC ?? And that is a bad thing ?ususports wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 2:55 pmWhen Maile was Co-Defensive Coordinator (and the Co indicates he wasn't good enough to be named the main guy all stats aside) our numbers were:Intermeddler wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 2:25 pmI don't think he was fired by UConn or FIU. You have a link or something on that?MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 1:22 pmTodd was fired by UCONN, FIU, and Texas.. He was good at USU for 1-1/2 years with players he didn't get here same with Houston same with Texas. Todd is good with other coaches players .ususports wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2019, 2:28 amAll things being equal, loyalty should definitely be a factor, but in this case, the two people being compared are not equal (Orlando was a better DC). If being “all in for USU” is the highest priority, let’s call Duryea and tell him he can have his job back. Again, I am not ragging on Maile. Glad he is here, I appreciate what he did when the rest of the staff took off for TT last year, but it is silly to say he is a better DC than Orlando and saying “he is all in for USU” as a reason for justification.MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2019, 2:05 pmI want guys that are "all in for USU" .. Orlando was never that or ever going to be that. Frank is.ususports wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2019, 12:40 amNo we don't. He might be better than our current DC, but he is definitely not better than Orlando. Last year's defensive success was because of Patterson. When I saw how conservative Maile would call defensive plays (and our cornerbacks would be 100-150 yards off the line of scrimmage--sometimes in the stands watching the game with the fans instead of guarding the receivers), I remember thinking to myself, this makes sense, he played for Brent Guy. As has been pointed out many times, our best defenses have been when we were extremely aggressive, and that is not Maile's style. I think he is a great guy and glad he is still on our staff, but I would be less than excited if we were to make him our DC again.
Todd as a DC
2019 Texas 28.91 PPG
2018 Texas 26.07 PPG
2017 Texas 19.92 PPG
2016 Houston 23.46 PPG
2015 Houston 22.14 PPG
2014 USU 19.7 PPG
2013 USU 17.1 PPG
2012 FIU 31.7 PPG
2011 FIU 19.5 PPG
Red highlights the low PPG at at school
I doubt it is coincidence that is best years are always his 1st year. Todd isn't that good. He had a good 2 years here and very average everywhere eles.
2016 - 29.3 PPG Allowed
2017 - 26.9 PPG Allowed
2018 - 22.23 PPG Allowed (and if anyone thinks that Patterson was not the main reason for the drastic improvement is only kidding themselves).
You are making a much bigger deal of this than I ever intended with my comments, but whether you think Orlando is good or not, he was still a better coordinator at USU than Maile using your own numbers.
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Re: Texas fires Orlando
And you are saying that Orlando’s worst year at USU is still significantly better than Maile’s best year even though his best year was heavily aided by Patterson who was clearly calling the defense last year (i.e. shouldn’t even count for Maile). Let’s agree to disagree.MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑December 5th, 2019, 5:10 pmSo you are saying the defense got better every year with Frank at DC and got worse every year with Todd was DC ?? And that is a bad thing ?ususports wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 2:55 pmWhen Maile was Co-Defensive Coordinator (and the Co indicates he wasn't good enough to be named the main guy all stats aside) our numbers were:Intermeddler wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 2:25 pmI don't think he was fired by UConn or FIU. You have a link or something on that?MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 1:22 pmTodd was fired by UCONN, FIU, and Texas.. He was good at USU for 1-1/2 years with players he didn't get here same with Houston same with Texas. Todd is good with other coaches players .ususports wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2019, 2:28 amAll things being equal, loyalty should definitely be a factor, but in this case, the two people being compared are not equal (Orlando was a better DC). If being “all in for USU” is the highest priority, let’s call Duryea and tell him he can have his job back. Again, I am not ragging on Maile. Glad he is here, I appreciate what he did when the rest of the staff took off for TT last year, but it is silly to say he is a better DC than Orlando and saying “he is all in for USU” as a reason for justification.MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2019, 2:05 pmI want guys that are "all in for USU" .. Orlando was never that or ever going to be that. Frank is.ususports wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2019, 12:40 amNo we don't. He might be better than our current DC, but he is definitely not better than Orlando. Last year's defensive success was because of Patterson. When I saw how conservative Maile would call defensive plays (and our cornerbacks would be 100-150 yards off the line of scrimmage--sometimes in the stands watching the game with the fans instead of guarding the receivers), I remember thinking to myself, this makes sense, he played for Brent Guy. As has been pointed out many times, our best defenses have been when we were extremely aggressive, and that is not Maile's style. I think he is a great guy and glad he is still on our staff, but I would be less than excited if we were to make him our DC again.
Todd as a DC
2019 Texas 28.91 PPG
2018 Texas 26.07 PPG
2017 Texas 19.92 PPG
2016 Houston 23.46 PPG
2015 Houston 22.14 PPG
2014 USU 19.7 PPG
2013 USU 17.1 PPG
2012 FIU 31.7 PPG
2011 FIU 19.5 PPG
Red highlights the low PPG at at school
I doubt it is coincidence that is best years are always his 1st year. Todd isn't that good. He had a good 2 years here and very average everywhere eles.
2016 - 29.3 PPG Allowed
2017 - 26.9 PPG Allowed
2018 - 22.23 PPG Allowed (and if anyone thinks that Patterson was not the main reason for the drastic improvement is only kidding themselves).
You are making a much bigger deal of this than I ever intended with my comments, but whether you think Orlando is good or not, he was still a better coordinator at USU than Maile using your own numbers.
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Re: Texas fires Orlando
Its hard to blame Orlando for the type of D he ran at Texas. That is usually a head coaches preference along with allowed agression levels. As I recall Orlando adjusted to a 3-4 which he hadn't run a ton of in the past when he came to USU.
Orlando had a team led by Zach Vigil and full of NFL talent. Nonetheless, the Defense when he left it was still full of talent and went to hell the next year. He ran the best defense the Aggies have ever had with Andersen's recruits. How much of that was adopting Aranda's stuff I don't know but he did a hell of a job with it.
If he would come back and be tasked by Gary with running an aggressive 3-4 or 3 3 5 it would be the best thing that happened to this team. A massive upgrade. I know that's not in the works and won't happen but to diss on Orlando is ridiculous. Just look at what an NFL loaded defense did the year after he left.
Something is wrong with Texas football culture. Their team and particular their defenses have vastly underperformed for years regardless of coaching despite having the most resources and top 10 talent every year. I don't know why but I wouldn't judge Orlando off of that.
Orlando had a team led by Zach Vigil and full of NFL talent. Nonetheless, the Defense when he left it was still full of talent and went to hell the next year. He ran the best defense the Aggies have ever had with Andersen's recruits. How much of that was adopting Aranda's stuff I don't know but he did a hell of a job with it.
If he would come back and be tasked by Gary with running an aggressive 3-4 or 3 3 5 it would be the best thing that happened to this team. A massive upgrade. I know that's not in the works and won't happen but to diss on Orlando is ridiculous. Just look at what an NFL loaded defense did the year after he left.
Something is wrong with Texas football culture. Their team and particular their defenses have vastly underperformed for years regardless of coaching despite having the most resources and top 10 talent every year. I don't know why but I wouldn't judge Orlando off of that.
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Re: Texas fires Orlando
Why has a thread about Orlando become an attack on Maile? We're a bag of dicks.
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Re: Texas fires Orlando
First of all, I am a boob guy, so I have no interest in dicks. To answer your question, it is primarily because Frank’s wife likes to argue on this site. You’ll notice in multiple comments, I have expressed I am happy to have Maile on our staff, but Orlando was a better DC.brownjeans wrote: ↑December 6th, 2019, 8:51 amWhy has a thread about Orlando become an attack on Maile? We're a bag of dicks.
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Re: Texas fires Orlando
what about the new Jersey Mikes??aggies22 wrote: ↑December 1st, 2019, 8:49 pmBut, but there's two Starbucks!TheAKAggie wrote: ↑December 1st, 2019, 8:31 pmI doubt a Culver’s and a second Costa Vida will be enough to sway them.Sl7vk wrote:One mans trash is another’s treasure.
Logan has changed a lot since he was here anyway.
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I'm sold. Searching for a job in Cache Valley starting now.TrueBlueFan wrote: ↑December 1st, 2019, 11:39 pm-Yup, this is true. We now have an up-to-date press box
-3 Starbucks as pointed out earlier
-Krispy Kreme
-Lucky Slice Pizza
-Even Stevens
-Del Taco
-Wingers reopened in the mall
-A second Costa Vida will open up soon along with a second Marriott
-Hampton In on 200 N so his family has a place to stay when the come to visit
-Center Street Development just finished
-There are less farmer’s fields...which in my opinion is unfortunate...but maybe Mrs. Orlando would dig that.
-The Cooper Mill came back and went, so we don’t have that going for us
-Movies 5 is gone out north, so if his family wants close access to movies they should maybe find a place in central Logan or in Providence
-Sweeto Burrito
-We lost Shopko and Macey’s on 400 N....suppose coach Orlando is an entrepreneur at heart, he has two prime locations to open something big
-Cherry Peak is now a thing. It wasn’t open with his first stint.
-He may not be able to do graffiti on the water towers this time. They have really cracked down on that, but a new trail system has really developed so he may find that enticing.
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Re: Texas fires Orlando
I've gotta pass, one of my best friends owns Capriottis.JFWAggie wrote: ↑December 6th, 2019, 9:36 amwhat about the new Jersey Mikes??aggies22 wrote: ↑December 1st, 2019, 8:49 pmBut, but there's two Starbucks!TheAKAggie wrote: ↑December 1st, 2019, 8:31 pmI doubt a Culver’s and a second Costa Vida will be enough to sway them.Sl7vk wrote:One mans trash is another’s treasure.
Logan has changed a lot since he was here anyway.
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Re: Texas fires Orlando
With all that you guys left out the only thing that a fellow from the east just might like in Logan. Old Chicago Pizza and TAP ROOM is now open.AGNUMPI wrote: ↑December 6th, 2019, 9:38 amI'm sold. Searching for a job in Cache Valley starting now.TrueBlueFan wrote: ↑December 1st, 2019, 11:39 pm-Yup, this is true. We now have an up-to-date press box
-3 Starbucks as pointed out earlier
-Krispy Kreme
-Lucky Slice Pizza
-Even Stevens
-Del Taco
-Wingers reopened in the mall
-A second Costa Vida will open up soon along with a second Marriott
-Hampton In on 200 N so his family has a place to stay when the come to visit
-Center Street Development just finished
-There are less farmer’s fields...which in my opinion is unfortunate...but maybe Mrs. Orlando would dig that.
-The Cooper Mill came back and went, so we don’t have that going for us
-Movies 5 is gone out north, so if his family wants close access to movies they should maybe find a place in central Logan or in Providence
-Sweeto Burrito
-We lost Shopko and Macey’s on 400 N....suppose coach Orlando is an entrepreneur at heart, he has two prime locations to open something big
-Cherry Peak is now a thing. It wasn’t open with his first stint.
-He may not be able to do graffiti on the water towers this time. They have really cracked down on that, but a new trail system has really developed so he may find that enticing.
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