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WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by AgMac » August 30th, 2019, 10:01 pm

For the life of me, I cannot fathom what the hell we were thinking with that play call. We had nothing to gain by running up the middle for the 3rd straight t in me and essentially conceding that down and the possession. For what? Taking the clock down 30 more seconds?

THERE WAS STILL OVER TWO MINUTES LEFT AND WF HAD TIMEOUTS LEFT!

That was the stupidest coaching I've witnessed in years. How do we not have one creative play in our bag that we can pull out to get 4 yards? We get 4 yards there, and our odds of win increase ten fold.

I am apoplectic right now. That was some serious (I can't express myself without swearing) play calling and decision making.
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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by Roy McAvoy » August 30th, 2019, 10:04 pm

Fake handoff to Warren there and then roll the TE out and right now we’re celebrating like crazy.
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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by BLUERUFiO » August 30th, 2019, 10:04 pm

Yeah, pretty much my thoughts as well. Run it up the gut 3 times all while knowing they had 3 timeouts to cover the runs? Wow.
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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by Stockypoo2212 » August 30th, 2019, 10:06 pm

Especially when our recievers have done so well at getting open the whole night!
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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by Machismo » August 30th, 2019, 10:07 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 10:04 pm
Fake handoff to Warren there and then roll the TE out and right now we’re celebrating like crazy.
This is exactly what I was looking for, they would have bit hard on the fake but I aint a professional d1 O coordinator
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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by AggieSox » August 30th, 2019, 10:10 pm

Come on GARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????

Act like you have been there before, DONT RUN IT up the Middle 3 times in a ROW on the Road man...…….

We here to WIN or just com close???



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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by AggieSox » August 30th, 2019, 10:10 pm

Well now we have another Tape to put on the Shelf at USU...….How to lose a game on the Road at P5 with the lead and 2:30 minutes left. We have perfected it.



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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by Stockypoo2212 » August 30th, 2019, 10:11 pm

Machismo wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 10:07 pm
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August 30th, 2019, 10:04 pm
Fake handoff to Warren there and then roll the TE out and right now we’re celebrating like crazy.
This is exactly what I was looking for, they would have bit hard on the fake but I aint a professional d1 O coordinator
Neither is sanford... obviously



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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by USU@ggies » August 30th, 2019, 10:13 pm

We have one of the best QBs in the nation and need 4 yards to essentially win the game and they decided to take it out of Loves hands and play conservative with the run right up the middle for the 3rd straight play. Players make plays right!?!? Let Love make a freaking play to win the game!!!



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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by stewusu98 » August 30th, 2019, 10:13 pm

Act like you have been there in the first half. Play to win in the fourth. We did the opposite.



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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by Aggiewest » August 30th, 2019, 10:20 pm

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August 30th, 2019, 10:13 pm
We have one of the best QBs in the nation and need 4 yards to essentially win the game and they decided to take it out of Loves hands and play conservative with the run right up the middle for the 3rd straight play. Players make plays right!?!? Let Love make a freaking play to win the game!!!
You do realize he threw an interception to end the game. Everyone would of (I can't express myself without swearing) if threw an interception on the 3rd and 4 and blamed coaching for not running it.



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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by Jjoey53 » August 30th, 2019, 10:20 pm

Machismo wrote:
Roy McAvoy wrote:
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Fake handoff to Warren there and then roll the TE out and right now we’re celebrating like crazy.
This is exactly what I was looking for, they would have bit hard on the fake but I aint a professional d1 O coordinator
Which is what WF did on 4th & goal.

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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by Elkaggie » August 30th, 2019, 10:24 pm

I was hoping for a read option with Love and give him the option to run or dump it off. You have to freaking go for the jugular in that situation. Crazy for all the years of being so close we still haven’t figured that out. I think our Offense will struggle this year, their D was not that good.



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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by Jjoey53 » August 30th, 2019, 10:24 pm

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We have one of the best QBs in the nation and need 4 yards to essentially win the game and they decided to take it out of Loves hands and play conservative with the run right up the middle for the 3rd straight play. Players make plays right!?!? Let Love make a freaking play to win the game!!!
You do realize he threw an interception to end the game. Everyone would of (I can't express myself without swearing) if threw an interception on the 3rd and 4 and blamed coaching for not running it.

True, but at that time it was desperation mode, and had no choice, it should never have come to that.


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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by MetsJetsAggies » August 30th, 2019, 10:24 pm

Aggiewest wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 10:20 pm
USU@ggies wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 10:13 pm
We have one of the best QBs in the nation and need 4 yards to essentially win the game and they decided to take it out of Loves hands and play conservative with the run right up the middle for the 3rd straight play. Players make plays right!?!? Let Love make a freaking play to win the game!!!
You do realize he threw an interception to end the game. Everyone would of (I can't express myself without swearing) if threw an interception on the 3rd and 4 and blamed coaching for not running it.
Bit of a difference between forcing a throw down 3 with 23 seconds left and throwing a safe ball on a roll out to get 4 yards



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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by USU@ggies » August 30th, 2019, 10:31 pm

Aggiewest wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 10:20 pm
USU@ggies wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 10:13 pm
We have one of the best QBs in the nation and need 4 yards to essentially win the game and they decided to take it out of Loves hands and play conservative with the run right up the middle for the 3rd straight play. Players make plays right!?!? Let Love make a freaking play to win the game!!!
You do realize he threw an interception to end the game. Everyone would of (I can't express myself without swearing) if threw an interception on the 3rd and 4 and blamed coaching for not running it.
I’d take Love to get 4 yards to win the game everytime. Play to win, we always play not to lose in these close games and lose literally everytime so no I would praise the coaches for at least attempting to win the game right there!
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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by AgMac » August 30th, 2019, 10:36 pm

USU@ggies wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 10:31 pm
Aggiewest wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 10:20 pm
USU@ggies wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 10:13 pm
We have one of the best QBs in the nation and need 4 yards to essentially win the game and they decided to take it out of Loves hands and play conservative with the run right up the middle for the 3rd straight play. Players make plays right!?!? Let Love make a freaking play to win the game!!!
You do realize he threw an interception to end the game. Everyone would of (I can't express myself without swearing) if threw an interception on the 3rd and 4 and blamed coaching for not running it.
I’d take Love to get 4 yards to win the game everytime. Play to win, we always play not to lose in these close games and lose literally everytime so no I would praise the coaches for at least attempting to win the game right there!
Agree 100%. But, honestly. You don't even need to throw it. Just something a tiny bit creative. Fake the dive and jet sweep around the outside. Please! Anything! The second we ran it up the middle I knew we lost the game. And I'm not making that up. Said it to my buddy.



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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by USU@ggies » August 30th, 2019, 10:39 pm

AgMac wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 10:36 pm
USU@ggies wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 10:31 pm
Aggiewest wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 10:20 pm
USU@ggies wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 10:13 pm
We have one of the best QBs in the nation and need 4 yards to essentially win the game and they decided to take it out of Loves hands and play conservative with the run right up the middle for the 3rd straight play. Players make plays right!?!? Let Love make a freaking play to win the game!!!
You do realize he threw an interception to end the game. Everyone would of (I can't express myself without swearing) if threw an interception on the 3rd and 4 and blamed coaching for not running it.
I’d take Love to get 4 yards to win the game everytime. Play to win, we always play not to lose in these close games and lose literally everytime so no I would praise the coaches for at least attempting to win the game right there!
Agree 100%. But, honestly. You don't even need to throw it. Just something a tiny bit creative. Fake the dive and jet sweep around the outside. Please! Anything! The second we ran it up the middle I knew we lost the game. And I'm not making that up. Said it to my buddy.
Agreed.....Me, my dad, and brother said the same. Just didn’t realize there would be a so many more heartbreaking plays before the game actually ended.



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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by Aggie84025 » August 30th, 2019, 10:54 pm

Jjoey53 wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 10:24 pm
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USU@ggies wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 10:13 pm
We have one of the best QBs in the nation and need 4 yards to essentially win the game and they decided to take it out of Loves hands and play conservative with the run right up the middle for the 3rd straight play. Players make plays right!?!? Let Love make a freaking play to win the game!!!
You do realize he threw an interception to end the game. Everyone would of (I can't express myself without swearing) if threw an interception on the 3rd and 4 and blamed coaching for not running it.

True, but at that time it was desperation mode, and had no choice, it should never have come to that.

[What you mean he had no choice? the ball was on the 30 yard line and you can kick the field goal. He also could have thrown the under throw to warren which was an easy throw for 5 yards. That was a bad decision by Love which he did that 3 times tonight. He cannot throw those interceptions. I don't agree with the run play on 3rd, but that is not the play that cost the game. If you cannot stop them from going 90 yards with 2 minutes to go than we have problems.]



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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by AgMac » August 30th, 2019, 10:56 pm

Aggie84025 wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 10:54 pm
Jjoey53 wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 10:24 pm
Aggiewest wrote:
USU@ggies wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 10:13 pm
We have one of the best QBs in the nation and need 4 yards to essentially win the game and they decided to take it out of Loves hands and play conservative with the run right up the middle for the 3rd straight play. Players make plays right!?!? Let Love make a freaking play to win the game!!!
You do realize he threw an interception to end the game. Everyone would of (I can't express myself without swearing) if threw an interception on the 3rd and 4 and blamed coaching for not running it.

True, but at that time it was desperation mode, and had no choice, it should never have come to that.

[What you mean he had no choice? the ball was on the 30 yard line and you can kick the field goal. He also could have thrown the under throw to warren which was an easy throw for 5 yards. That was a bad decision by Love which he did that 3 times tonight. He cannot throw those interceptions. I don't agree with the run play on 3rd, but that is not the play that cost the game. If you cannot stop them from going 90 yards with 2 minutes to go than we have problems.]
But we couldn't stop them. We proved that all night. And they had a hard time stopping us. That's why you have to keep being aggressive.
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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by bull » August 30th, 2019, 10:58 pm

We can see it, the announcers can usually see it, my wife can see it, so why can’t these damn coaches see it? USU ahead by 1 score with 3 minutes left is NOT enough cushion to trust the defense to “bow up”
Run the f______ offense that got you the lead. DON’T SAFETY UP. GO FOR THE KILL!!!
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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by USUaggie » August 30th, 2019, 11:06 pm

5 straight runs up the middle to Warren sure was creative! They had no idea what was coming.

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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by Jjoey53 » August 30th, 2019, 11:21 pm

I have not been this pissed at a stupid game in at least 20 years.


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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by bpd » August 30th, 2019, 11:27 pm

Let Love throw the ball. If you want to play conservative, run a fly sweep to Nathan or somebody.
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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by 2004AG » August 31st, 2019, 12:00 am

AgMac wrote:For the life of me, I cannot fathom what the hell we were thinking with that play call. We had nothing to gain by running up the middle for the 3rd straight t in me and essentially conceding that down and the possession. For what? Taking the clock down 30 more seconds?

THERE WAS STILL OVER TWO MINUTES LEFT AND WF HAD TIMEOUTS LEFT!

That was the stupidest coaching I've witnessed in years. How do we not have one creative play in our bag that we can pull out to get 4 yards? We get 4 yards there, and our odds of win increase ten fold.

I am apoplectic right now. That was some serious s*** play calling and decision making.
It’s worse that that. The run up the middle didn’t even take off 30 seconds. With Wake still having a timeout, all that play did was guarantee Wake was forced to use it up. But time wasn’t an issue at that point anyways. Getting the first down was much more important.


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Post by GeoAg » August 31st, 2019, 8:58 am

Had no problem with the call either way, run or pass. The run forced the use of a timeout.


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Post by Full » August 31st, 2019, 9:13 am

AgMac wrote:
Aggie84025 wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 10:54 pm
Jjoey53 wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 10:24 pm
Aggiewest wrote:
USU@ggies wrote:
August 30th, 2019, 10:13 pm
We have one of the best QBs in the nation and need 4 yards to essentially win the game and they decided to take it out of Loves hands and play conservative with the run right up the middle for the 3rd straight play. Players make plays right!?!? Let Love make a freaking play to win the game!!!
You do realize he threw an interception to end the game. Everyone would of (I can't express myself without swearing) if threw an interception on the 3rd and 4 and blamed coaching for not running it.

True, but at that time it was desperation mode, and had no choice, it should never have come to that.

[What you mean he had no choice? the ball was on the 30 yard line and you can kick the field goal. He also could have thrown the under throw to warren which was an easy throw for 5 yards. That was a bad decision by Love which he did that 3 times tonight. He cannot throw those interceptions. I don't agree with the run play on 3rd, but that is not the play that cost the game. If you cannot stop them from going 90 yards with 2 minutes to go than we have problems.]
But we couldn't stop them. We proved that all night. And they had a hard time stopping us. That's why you have to keep being aggressive.
This. You were trying to pound the run game up by less than a touchdown against a team with over 500 yards of offense already in the game. Why not trust your passing offense, which was moving the ball with ease, to get 4 yards. The alternative they chose by running into an 8 man box was to try and make a defense that gave up 579 yards. They couldn’t stop the other teams offense while down three DB’s in the game in an obvious passing situation. Let the offense be aggressive.



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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by AgMac » August 31st, 2019, 9:22 am

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Had no problem with the call either way, run or pass. The run forced the use of a timeout.
There was WAY too much time for that to really matter. They run a fast offense. 2+ minutes is an eternity for them to drive the field without timeouts.

Giving it back with 2 minutes or 5 minutes wouldn't have mattered. Their odds of scoring would have been the same. We could have sealed the game by being just a bit creative and getting the first down.



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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by AgMac » August 31st, 2019, 9:26 am

2004AG wrote:
August 31st, 2019, 12:00 am
AgMac wrote:For the life of me, I cannot fathom what the hell we were thinking with that play call. We had nothing to gain by running up the middle for the 3rd straight t in me and essentially conceding that down and the possession. For what? Taking the clock down 30 more seconds?

THERE WAS STILL OVER TWO MINUTES LEFT AND WF HAD TIMEOUTS LEFT!

That was the stupidest coaching I've witnessed in years. How do we not have one creative play in our bag that we can pull out to get 4 yards? We get 4 yards there, and our odds of win increase ten fold.

I am apoplectic right now. That was some serious s*** play calling and decision making.
It’s worse that that. The run up the middle didn’t even take off 30 seconds. With Wake still having a timeout, all that play did was guarantee Wake was forced to use it up. But time wasn’t an issue at that point anyways. Getting the first down was much more important.


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This is the key. Time wasn't really an issue with the way they scored all game. It would like employing a strategy that forced a team to use its timeouts in the 3rd quarter and then saying "ha, good luck winning without those. Oh, and here's the ball."



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Re: WTF - 3rd and 4 with 2:30 left

Post by Rabidchild » August 31st, 2019, 6:46 pm

The irony is that we ran that horribly low percentage play (in terms of our chances of obtaining a first down) in order to make WF burn their timeout, but then it was us desperately calling timeouts to keep time on the clock in the final minute.


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