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Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
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Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
Just for fun since it's a bye week
Assuming we do well (like 9+ games good) and Matt gets picked up by a P5 school, who's his replacement?
Yost?
Do we go after someone like Dave Aranda
Do we try and get Gary back considering he did well here (but nowhere else)?
Who else do we like?
Assuming we do well (like 9+ games good) and Matt gets picked up by a P5 school, who's his replacement?
Yost?
Do we go after someone like Dave Aranda
Do we try and get Gary back considering he did well here (but nowhere else)?
Who else do we like?
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Re: Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
Going off the premise that we had a great year and Wells is hired away..In my opinion it’s a short list of 3 names and all 3 names are very strong candidates.
David Yost
Jay Hill
Gary Andersen
David Yost
Jay Hill
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Re: Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
Dave Aranda is the highest paid assistant in college football. I'm pretty sure he makes more than Wells now. Would love to have him back in Logan but I think it would take a dump truck full of cash.ViAggie wrote: ↑September 28th, 2018, 11:26 amJust for fun since it's a bye week
Assuming we do well (like 9+ games good) and Matt gets picked up by a P5 school, who's his replacement?
Yost?
Do we go after someone like Dave Aranda
Do we try and get Gary back considering he did well here (but nowhere else)?
Who else do we like?
If Jay Hill takes the Wildcats to the FCS semifinals again this year, then he should definitely be on Hartwell's shortlist.
I guarantee Neil Brown, HC at TROY, is the #1 guy on Hartwell's list though. John hired him there and the dude has been killin' it. Hartwell often tweets about the success he's having.
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Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
Personally I hope Matt would stick around and keep this going and become the all-time winningest coach in USU history. Sure Gary made a lot of money when he jumped ship for Wiscy but he’d probably tell you in hind sight that his job was more fun (less stress) at USU. Matt can still make $1mil a season at USU and live in Cache Valley and coach his alma-mater for a long time if he can just stay in the top half of the MWC on a consistent basis.
Just for the fun of playing your game however, I don’t think we could lure either Aranda or Todd Orlando back. They already make over double Matt’s salary in their current assistant/coordinator positions. Maybe they’d consider a big pay cut just to get a HC gig.
Guys on our staff:
Yost - I’m really impressed by Yost’s offense in year #2. I don’t know if he has the make up of a head coach or not. Maybe someone who has observed him closer would know.
Patterson - I like the fire Coach Patterson has brought this year and he may be a good head coach from the limited stuff I’ve seen from him but I’d rather watch him for a full season before deciding.
Frank Maile - I love Frank and think he bleeds Aggie Blue. He may be getting groomed for a future HC job at USU.
Chuckie - obviously too soon now but give him another 10 years and maybe he steps in. Apparently he is a rising star in the coaching ranks according to Wells.
Outside the Program: I think understanding the landscape of football in Utah is important.
Gary Anderson - He already has the tattoo. Not sure if he still has the drive that made him successful here or not though.
Ken Niumatalolo - I think he is getting the itch to try his hand outside the academy.
Ed Lamb - thought he did a remarkable job at SUU. Has HC experience and knows how to win in Utah.
Jay Hill - if Weber lives up to expectations this year.
Morgan Scalley - Utah D Coordinator past 3 years. Young up and comer. Lacks diversity of football experience though.
Ilaisa Tuiaki - Another defensive coach and the current D coordinator at BYU. He played at SUU and did some coaching at USU (under Gary) and Utah along the way. He is well rounded and coached some very successful units.
Just for the fun of playing your game however, I don’t think we could lure either Aranda or Todd Orlando back. They already make over double Matt’s salary in their current assistant/coordinator positions. Maybe they’d consider a big pay cut just to get a HC gig.
Guys on our staff:
Yost - I’m really impressed by Yost’s offense in year #2. I don’t know if he has the make up of a head coach or not. Maybe someone who has observed him closer would know.
Patterson - I like the fire Coach Patterson has brought this year and he may be a good head coach from the limited stuff I’ve seen from him but I’d rather watch him for a full season before deciding.
Frank Maile - I love Frank and think he bleeds Aggie Blue. He may be getting groomed for a future HC job at USU.
Chuckie - obviously too soon now but give him another 10 years and maybe he steps in. Apparently he is a rising star in the coaching ranks according to Wells.
Outside the Program: I think understanding the landscape of football in Utah is important.
Gary Anderson - He already has the tattoo. Not sure if he still has the drive that made him successful here or not though.
Ken Niumatalolo - I think he is getting the itch to try his hand outside the academy.
Ed Lamb - thought he did a remarkable job at SUU. Has HC experience and knows how to win in Utah.
Jay Hill - if Weber lives up to expectations this year.
Morgan Scalley - Utah D Coordinator past 3 years. Young up and comer. Lacks diversity of football experience though.
Ilaisa Tuiaki - Another defensive coach and the current D coordinator at BYU. He played at SUU and did some coaching at USU (under Gary) and Utah along the way. He is well rounded and coached some very successful units.
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Re: Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
I want Chuckie now. If Matt Wells is gone, promote Chuckie straight to the top.
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Re: Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
To build off your hypo, if Wells/USU has a great year - which P5 jobs do we see opening up this year, and would any of them come calling? IMO, last year was the time to be an up and coming coach looking to get a P5 gig because so many came open. I could see the following P5 jobs fire their coach: Georgia Tech, Kansas (lol), and maybe Texas Tech or USC if they have awful finishes (and Tech has played pretty well so far).
I doubt GT would be interested given Wells ties to the Western US.
I don't think USC would view him as a big enough name.
I could see Kansas trying, but would Wells really want to to there?
Of the four I've listed, I think Texas Tech would be the biggest threat (if it comes open).
Who am I potentially missing?
In other words, even if Wells has a great year there might not be spot available for him given potential openings + other candidates.
I doubt GT would be interested given Wells ties to the Western US.
I don't think USC would view him as a big enough name.
I could see Kansas trying, but would Wells really want to to there?
Of the four I've listed, I think Texas Tech would be the biggest threat (if it comes open).
Who am I potentially missing?
In other words, even if Wells has a great year there might not be spot available for him given potential openings + other candidates.
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Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
Not even a sliver of a dream of a chance that Dave Aranda would take the job. He’s turned down much better offers. His next job will be a NFL DC.ViAggie wrote:Just for fun since it's a bye week
Assuming we do well (like 9+ games good) and Matt gets picked up by a P5 school, who's his replacement?
Yost?
Do we go after someone like Dave Aranda
Do we try and get Gary back considering he did well here (but nowhere else)?
Who else do we like?
My pick would be Jay Hill or Neal Brown.
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Re: Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
I'm looking more at the jobs that become available after the USCs and such get filled. We won't know that until all of the collateral damage of a USC being filled is complete.
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I would volunteer...I mean I did teach the boy everything he knows
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Re: Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
... but not everything you know.taniataylor wrote: ↑September 28th, 2018, 1:16 pmI would volunteer...I mean I did teach the boy everything he knows
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Re: Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
My real guess would be if MW has a winning season, he won't go anywhere, but he will be offered more money on a new contract
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Re: Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
Aranda makes a fully guaranteed $2.5 million per year on a four year deal. He makes more than our entire staff (including Wells) combined. He would have to desperately want to be a Head Coach to leave that gig not to mention his potential contract buyout.
Hill
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Brown
Lamb
That is probably the realistic list if Wells gets poached.
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Re: Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
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Maile - If we can keep Patterson and Yost as the coordinators.
Yost
Dave Orlando
Ed Lamb
Jay Hill
Maile - If we can keep Patterson and Yost as the coordinators.
Yost
Dave Orlando
Ed Lamb
Jay Hill
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Re: Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
Maile wasn’t ready to be a DC but you want him as a HC? And Dave Orlando’s busy.AggieUprising50 wrote:Gary
Maile - If we can keep Patterson and Yost as the coordinators.
Yost
Dave Orlando
Ed Lamb
Jay Hill
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Any of the ones listed except Gary Anderson. He should never be a HC again after bailing on OSU. He now has a history..
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Re: Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
What about Todd Aranda? Is he available?TheAKAggie wrote:Maile wasn’t ready to be a DC but you want him as a HC? And Dave Orlando’s busy.AggieUprising50 wrote:Gary
Maile - If we can keep Patterson and Yost as the coordinators.
Yost
Dave Orlando
Ed Lamb
Jay Hill
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Re: Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
They could possibly offer a contract extension worth about a million a year. Would loyalty be enough to keep him here if schools come calling offering him double or triple that?taniataylor wrote: ↑September 28th, 2018, 1:19 pmMy real guess would be if MW has a winning season, he won't go anywhere, but he will be offered more money on a new contract
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Re: Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
I saw what you did.Zaggie07 wrote: ↑September 28th, 2018, 3:14 pmWhat about Todd Aranda? Is he available?TheAKAggie wrote:Maile wasn’t ready to be a DC but you want him as a HC? And Dave Orlando’s busy.AggieUprising50 wrote:Gary
Maile - If we can keep Patterson and Yost as the coordinators.
Yost
Dave Orlando
Ed Lamb
Jay Hill
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Re: Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
First, I don't think Matt goes anywhere after this year. An upper half P5 team isn't going to take him on the basis of ONE good year, when his overall record as a HC is up and down. Too big a risk. And I think he'd be crazy to take a lower half P5 job, which is pretty much a career killer. He might make more money at Kansas or Oregon State, but he's going to lose, then be fired after three to five years, and be lucky to get a coordinator job afterward.
Gary Andersen should be, and probably is, off the list. I have heard things from reliable sources here in Oregon. The man has serious issues. He's toxic. Trust me, you wouldn't want him back.
I'd be in favor of Jay Hill or Neil Brown. I'd probably favor Hill, because coaching in Utah presents certain challenges that are unique to the state, like recruiting kids that are going on missions. Gary Andersen and Matt Wells have played and coached here, and understand the lay of the land. I'm afraid that Brown would need a few years to figure it out. We can't afford a few years.
Gary Andersen should be, and probably is, off the list. I have heard things from reliable sources here in Oregon. The man has serious issues. He's toxic. Trust me, you wouldn't want him back.
I'd be in favor of Jay Hill or Neil Brown. I'd probably favor Hill, because coaching in Utah presents certain challenges that are unique to the state, like recruiting kids that are going on missions. Gary Andersen and Matt Wells have played and coached here, and understand the lay of the land. I'm afraid that Brown would need a few years to figure it out. We can't afford a few years.
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I can tell you with 100% certainty that Gary will not be a head coach at USU ever again.2004AG wrote:Gary
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Re: Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
David Yost has found a fit that works for him. He completely got out of coaching after he left Missouri because of the pressure. He was lured back in by Mike Leach at WSU to be just the WR coach, and then got an offer at Oregon to be just the quarterback coach. We're much less pressure packed than any P5 conference team, so he has found a niche here at USU, where he can be offensive coordinator and be "him." I would be really surprised if he went back into the pressure cooker again. I think he's one of these guys who is just a great offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach who likes that job.
I would push for Jay Hill. Has a lot in common with Gary Andersen without some of the . . . ahem . . . baggage.
I would push for Jay Hill. Has a lot in common with Gary Andersen without some of the . . . ahem . . . baggage.
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Re: Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
If we have the year we think we will have (8-4 or better) then Wells will certainly have some really nice options. What other coach will have turned a perrenial doormat program into a regular bowl team? That lands him a nice job at a major school.
He'll never have an offer from the elite schools; they want flashy, sexy hires. That next tier of schools could provide a nice landing spot.
Tell me with a straight face that Wells would not have done better in Corvallis than GA.
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He'll never have an offer from the elite schools; they want flashy, sexy hires. That next tier of schools could provide a nice landing spot.
Tell me with a straight face that Wells would not have done better in Corvallis than GA.
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I hope you’re wrong. But my answer was based on who I want not, who I think. I want Gary.JonnyCienPesos wrote:I can tell you with 100% certainty that Gary will not be a head coach at USU ever again.2004AG wrote:Gary
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I have no idea who would have done better at Oregon state. I do know who did better at Utah State though.dyedblue wrote:If we have the year we think we will have (8-4 or better) then Wells will certainly have some really nice options. What other coach will have turned a perrenial doormat program into a regular bowl team? That lands him a nice job at a major school.
He'll never have an offer from the elite schools; they want flashy, sexy hires. That next tier of schools could provide a nice landing spot.
Tell me with a straight face that Wells would not have done better in Corvallis than GA.
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Re: Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
Wells would not have done better in Corvalis than GA.dyedblue wrote: ↑September 29th, 2018, 10:23 amIf we have the year we think we will have (8-4 or better) then Wells will certainly have some really nice options. What other coach will have turned a perrenial doormat program into a regular bowl team? That lands him a nice job at a major school.
He'll never have an offer from the elite schools; they want flashy, sexy hires. That next tier of schools could provide a nice landing spot.
Tell me with a straight face that Wells would not have done better in Corvallis than GA.
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Urban Meyer would not have done better in Corvalis than GA.
Nick Saban would not have done better in Corvalis than GA.
Bear Bryant would not have done better in Corvalis than GA.
I love Oregon State, now that I live in Oregon. I've adopted them. They're the land grant school, and most of the kids who go there are from rural oregon families, and are going into engineering, agriculture, forestry, and teaching. Having said that, they are the black hole of football. They are a career killer. I admire their fans, because they truly epitomise "hope springs eternal".
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Re: Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
Agreed. Gary Andersen is not the same coach he was in 2012. He failed spectacularly at Oregon State by any standard. Our next coach should be the 2008 Gary Andersen. A hungry up and comer with a lot to prove. Neil Brown would by first choice if we could get him with Jay Hill being a great consolation prize.
With that said, Matt Wells isn't going to get hired away unless we have a truly special season. I don't see Wells going anywhere if we are 7-5 or 8-4. If we go 8-4 Wells will remain at USU albeit with a nice contract extension and a raise.
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No offense, but to say Urban Meyer or Nick Saban couldn't do better than 3 conference wins in 3 years is nonsense.LKGates wrote: ↑September 29th, 2018, 12:10 pmWells would not have done better in Corvalis than GA.dyedblue wrote: ↑September 29th, 2018, 10:23 amIf we have the year we think we will have (8-4 or better) then Wells will certainly have some really nice options. What other coach will have turned a perrenial doormat program into a regular bowl team? That lands him a nice job at a major school.
He'll never have an offer from the elite schools; they want flashy, sexy hires. That next tier of schools could provide a nice landing spot.
Tell me with a straight face that Wells would not have done better in Corvallis than GA.
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Urban Meyer would not have done better in Corvalis than GA.
Nick Saban would not have done better in Corvalis than GA.
Bear Bryant would not have done better in Corvalis than GA.
I love Oregon State, now that I live in Oregon. I've adopted them. They're the land grant school, and most of the kids who go there are from rural oregon families, and are going into engineering, agriculture, forestry, and teaching. Having said that, they are the black hole of football. They are a career killer. I admire their fans, because they truly epitomise "hope springs eternal".
Oregon State was a decent program under Mike Riley. They won 9 games several times and were in bowls more often than not. Urban Meyer is a vastly superior coach to Mike Riley. Put him at Oregon State and they are competing for conference titles within a few years. Washington State is also extremely difficult to win, yet they have a good coach now and are producing winning seasons every year.
Gary failed spectacularly at Oregon State by any standard. I don't think their current hire was a home run by any standards, but I will bet anyone on this board that after 3 years he will have more wins than Gary had.
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Re: Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
Any of those coaches mentioned would have done better in Corvallis.
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Re: Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
No question. Saban and Meyer obviously would have done far and away better jobs than Gary, but I'd say 90% of current D1 coaches would have done better. Mike Riley is a very mediocre coach who completely bombed at Nebraska yet was ranked repeatedly and had success at Oregon State. I get people wanting Gary back even though I don't.
He turned around our program from 30 years of misery. However, defending his job performance at Oregon State is bizarre. It is comparable to Paul Wulff for the worst coaching performance in the Pac 12 this century.
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I like Hill, he knows the lay of the land and took Weber to new heights. If not him, Lamb or Brown. I also think Wells will be back next year with an extension..
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Re: Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
Yep. Future coach speculation threads are fun, but if I were gonna put money on who would be the coach of USU in 2019, my money would be on Matt Wells. Unfortunately if things continue how they are I would also put my money on us once again having a new offensive coordinator.
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Re: Assuming Matt Wells is gone at the end of the year (bye week talk)
A quick glance at the P5 schools... Most of the teams who are doing poorly are 1st-year coaches. How many of them are going to fire a coach after 1 season? Then there's K State. That seems like a job Matt might want. But Bill Snyder has been there forever.
But Wells could take a coordinator job somewhere and get a better paycheck too. If that's something he's interested in doing. I don't know. I think it's most likely that he'll return next year. We'll have a tougher schedule next season, but we're returning most the team. We should be pretty good again next season and there will likely be more P5 teams looking for coaches after next season.
But Wells could take a coordinator job somewhere and get a better paycheck too. If that's something he's interested in doing. I don't know. I think it's most likely that he'll return next year. We'll have a tougher schedule next season, but we're returning most the team. We should be pretty good again next season and there will likely be more P5 teams looking for coaches after next season.